Originally posted by Legato89

I would be slightly more inclined to play this spreadsheet screensaver hybrid when they do.

you still in high sec using autopilot doing missions?

or have you just not played past the 15 day trial.

and yes they are going to make people get out of their ships but it wont be enough for you anyway, not really what you think. will be more of the social aspect that will be touched and no combat will ensue (yet...)

posted from there too and i also ordered pizza

honestly i dont see a game that will remove WoW from the top, in fact if in the future WoW had a graphics overhaul (keeping the same toonish art style) just better and more detailed. it would go back to its bazzilion subz.

also, with the new popularity of MMORPGs i would rather have a game like WoW take on all the kiddies and mr john smiths. and leave the more complex games to the old school gamers.

i mean, EvE online does not come close to the amount of people playing it. simply because it does not apeal to the general masses. this is a good thing because it leaves the people who enjoy a complex game like eve to play with like minded gamers who also enjoy complex games.

i dont want to play a game where anyone and their grandmothers can play.

its the same thing with sports, there is a reason why they have age categories. its the social aspect of it. a 25 year old will not want to spend his leisure time with a 6 year old. simply because he cant talk about girls and beer the same way he would talk to say a 20-22-27 year old.  and i doubt the 25 year old would want to talk about pokimon (or whatever is hypnotiizing the kids on tv these days) with a 10-13 year old.

MMORPGs have different genres that apeal to different people. WoW on the other hand apeals to everyone (and their grandmothers) this type of game i would not get into

the reason why i am upset at games that COPY directly from WoW's mechanics being the UI or wtv.. anything is simply

"why would i play a copy when i can still play the original"

an original is far better than a copy. unless that copy was improved (in which case it would no longer be a copy but a better mechanic)

WoW did that, they got inspired and made it better.

P.S. i do not play WoW nor have any intentions of playing it. nor any game that has any similarities with WoW for the above stated reasons. if it feels like WoW, might as well play WoW, but if i dont want to play WoW, then i look for something different

EvE is different.

Darkfall is different (if i had 60$ to spend i would buy it)

mortal online will be different (well see how launch goes)

oh and i recently made my video card go up in smokes almost taking down the computer with it (thanks god for the power surge protection on the power supply) so im stuck with my integrated videocard... i know medium graphics sucks ass in any game... (wow way off topic)

i think they said that they where going to release a basic version with dominion and expand/add from there

has anyone found out anything about it?

have 2 cats

the female has oposable thumbs and litterally grabs on to things

and my male is a clean freak. i mean he will sweep the floor of my house. he will grab any little piece of paper an/object that is on the floor and put it in a corner.  he also cleans (shoves it closer to the bowl) the female cat's mess when she eats.

but thats an awsome video! makes me want to go back in time and try to do that wth my kittens

Originally posted by qazyman

Originally posted by kikinchaz

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Ettirxa

 trailer is awesome

 

It does *look* great.  Everything about this game visually appeals to the sci-fi nerd in me... to bad it is so mind-numbingly boring to actually play it. :/

 

Thats how I feel too :(

All games should be so mind-numbingly boring.

Damn you blizzard and your solo quest grind! You stole all the excitement.
 

remove the UI and activate advanced camera movement and you get PRETTY CLOSE! to that video.

its boring if you are solo. its boring if you do only high sec mining. but when you start getting into low sec/nul sec 500 pilots at war would look like that. the problem is that if you blink you might loose your ship so removing the UI is only for those who are recording video.

in fact im pretty sure that this video has actualyl already hapened at some point in eve. a defending fleet, an attacking fleet. attacking fleet retreates (to backtup) then the defending fleet goes after them against the commander's orders and get outnumbered.  and in the meanwhile you got the russians taking over a system behind their back... yeah that can actually happen.

all my examples will be given to eve since its the main game i play

"To the haters, are you jealous when a group of random clan members group up and take down a dragon? They are able to group up because their are no level restrictions to be able to contribute and no restrictions to be able to participate?!."

 i can group up with millitia to take down the other faction's pilots or structures regardless if i am 5 days old or 5 years old

i can group up with my corp(clan) members to take down agent missions (pve) or random rats (pve) or pirates that are roaming the system (pvp)

i can group up with my alliance and do the same thing as group up with my corp or i can take on bigger tasks as claiming a system for the alliance, or taking down control towers that have capital ships under construction to cripple the enemy.

there are no level restrictions to do any of those. any person in a frigate can be a vital part of ANY of the above grouping as much as someone in a capital ship.

To the haters, are you upset that you cannot build and ride in a player made ship? Is your game just a boring instance from which you have completed the easy to hard mode? Maybe you want more in an MMO than just a glorified carrot on a stick.

we can build and ride many space ships, capital ships, we can own control towers and outposts, not only that we can own systems and soon we will be able to upgrade them and specifically maintain them to fit our purpose. Eve is also not instanced, every one can go everywhere. and you can do anyhing you want. (yes litterally anything)

To the haters on the market, do you hate it when the players in Darkfall are not funneled into a specific region. The players of Darkfall can traverse the high mountain tops of the mountains of the games that lock you in your zone.

we can traverse many systems many places and players in eve are far from being tunneled into a specific region. i dont think mountain tops qualify in a space MMO. but we can go deep into the known space where the harshest environment exists and pirates are not forgiving. there is also unknown space that is not charted and have no information on them other than a locus number.

To the haters of Darkfall, are you jealous when a Hunter rolls need on the high agility melee weapon of choice and you wish you could kill him just like the Darkfall player could? Do you hate being pigeon holed into a certain role? Come join the best game on the market, Darkfall.

There are no Rolls in eve. in fact there are no rules. first come first serve and soon we will be able to know what was looted. in fact you can kill anyone for any reason... even because you dont like their name... but be aware. that he may have friends and those friends may come looking for you and hunt you down. hell he might be able to get a whole 500 man alliance to make your little 20 man corporation miserable enough to remain docked inside a station for weeks. so people tend to think 2x about who they shoot and who they piss off... so to add to your FFA, we have politics that play a big role as well. its not if you can kill or not... its if you should kill or not...this is what i think makes eve far better than  darkfall

now for my pros why eve is better than darkfall

for one they have 1 server. stable server. hardly crashes (maybe once every 2-3 months) and the reset takes about 30-60 mintues. they have on average 30k people online at all times.

the economy is completely player driven. players make the ships and destroy the ships so you need to get new ships and modules that players make.

the game is made to be played as a community that helps eachother and work together aswell against eachother. solo play is rare, hard, and not recommended.

you can also choose what you want to do. you can specialize or you can do everything. and giving it some time you can do everything really good.

the skill training is made in such a way that it lets you PLAY the game and not GRIND the game.

and to be honest, you cant compare darkfall and eve online and ryzom with WoW and AION and AoC. because they are simply not the same thing. yes they are MMOs but they are not sandboxes. in those games you choose a class and you play it. solo or in a group you kill monsters and thats it. themepark games are about character progression. sandbox games are about community progression, about world progression.

in other words yo uare comparing apples and bananas.

WoW is not meant for me as it is a completely different genre that i like to play (EvE)

Originally posted by nethaniah

Because
They
Can

this is your best answer,

my girlfriend who is doing a major in business and administration explained to me that companies will try sell things as expensive as the costumer is willing to spend. in other words

how much can they get away with.

so companies will charge you the 50$ for the box (give you a free month as a way to convince you to pay for the box, possibly include a poster map of the game and a marketing strategy)  and then 15$/month every month.

so yeah,

they do this

BECAUSE

THEY

CAN

and because they know that you will buy it anyway...

and eve does charge for the initial client... i remember paying 19.99 for the digital version which is on par with other digital downloadable games (and of course i got my free month)

the only thing is that they do not charge for expansions. they are similar to HUGE PATCHES.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

 

 

Except you can't do what you want if you have to wait several weeks to buy whatever you can afford now. (im doing what i want to do. you are treating this game like bigger and stronger is better when in fact bigger does not mean better, a little frigate can kill battleships in the right circumstances. and frigates are NEEDED in every fleet combat.) we just have different roles, not classes.

As if that kind of system makes sense.  It's just there because the morons at CCP want more money, and they didn't want to put the time/effort into a progression system based on exp. (maybe because the game wasnt suposed to be based on a xp progression)

Buy a character legitimately? LOL  

It figures that in an EVE Forum, on an EVE Topic, that someone would tell you to buy a character.  I wonder why?  Is it because the vast majority of people who play EVE are ebayers?  They don't want to invest time in characters and buy them "legitimately" .  Well, if you didn't click the create button, it isn't your character, it's someone elses.   You can't just ebay characters and then act like you earned it.  ( why dont you shut up about things you dont know anything about ebay? really? do a little more research before you blab off of something comletely wrong and sound really stupid)

To be non-ebayed, you have to level your own character up, and gear it up.  Buying a character, legitimately or illegitimately, to me, means you are an ebayer.   All of the people backing the idiotic skill system probably didn't skill-up their own characters, instead they just bought  characters. ( i skilled up my own character AND play about 3-4 hours per night)

Anyway, I would never buy a character, or let anyone else play one of my characters.  Pretty stupid how CCP targeted ebayers when they made their game.(again when you dont know about it and blab off something like this it just makes you seem really ignorant)  I guess non-ebayers are screwed because the people who wouldn't buy characters etc. would be too skilled to put up with the bullshit skill-up system that takes RL time.  (shush and enough about this ebay nonesence)

Apparently for skilled people to play EVE, you have to grind ISK then BUY a character, no thanks. (ahm, bought characters are isk sinks... they just get all their pretty stuff blown up)

53,850 people at once, big deal.  Even Maple Story and WoW are popular games for some reason.(so is mcdonnals, does not mean they make the best burgers)  I can't explain why people play horrible MMORPGs that don't make sense.  The only explanation I could think of is that they never played a decent MMORPG.

 

And you say:

Yes, skilling up, getting a new shiny ship is a treat, but it is not the reason to log on. As you correctly point out. As if it was then no-one would ever log on except to change skills.

Well, when I'm being held back by the idiots who made that game, because their skill system makes no sense at all, I think it's a reason NOT TO LOG ON.  (i think its a reason to play the game and not grind the game)

I guess EVE is a playable game if you can only devote 5-30 minutes a week.  If you go over that, then CCP thinks it is too hardcore and thats when the real-life time limits make the game unplayable. ahm if you want to succeed in the game in think more than 5-30 minutes per day is required... else you would go nowhere and learn nothing)

And Lol, there is a lot to do in EVE?  Fly around empty zones that all look the same.   Game has no PvE content at all, so there is no challenge in EVE. (maybe because EvE isnt a PvE game, ever thought of that? and honestly i promissed myself i would not say this but your last statement forces my finger to type this

if you think that a game needs to have PvE content so there is a challenge then you definitivelly need to go back to WoW)

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

 

Edit: OH CRAP WALL OF TEXT! didnt realize i wrote so much!

 

Sigh.. just because you say WRONG FACT doesn't mean anything...

More skills IS a better player.  You use an example of someone with 30 SP mining and 10 in fighting, vs someone with just 10 in fighting.  The person with 40 total is better than the person with 10 million.(No that is just NOT TRUE! This is not a level based game, more skills just means different possibilities,, it does not mean better than you, its not like a lvl 10 is better than a level 4 type game. clearely you do not understand this) And that has nothing to do with the effort of the player with 40 they just maintain a subscription 4x as long as the other player to gain an advantage in EVE. (it just means he can do more different things, that player that has 40 million skill points is only using about 5 million at the same time. the rest are useless. the only thing that he is better at is simply that he can do different things. he can fly covert ops AND command ships... but he cant do both at the same time.)

Plus what if they have 40 in fighting?  Vs someone with 10  in fighting?  Fact is, the character with more skill points is a better character.  see top paragraph

Out of many things in EVE you can affect (ISK, faction, etc.) , anything remotely important isn't controllable by the character.(ahm... you mean empire space. how bout where the real eve is happening? in 0.0 space where your faction is an alliance and you have NAPs with other alliances and standings with other corps, allowing you to freely trade in their space or KOS standing withthat alliance. the MAJOR THINGS IN EVE ARE PLAYER CONTROLED)  Just leave that to the people at CCP to determine the limits and potential of your character. (yup unlimitled potential, you can do any skill any trade you want, mix trades, specialize, make your trade, and soon enough you can add bar owner, gambler, and many more...)The more money you feed them, the more abilities are unlocked, the less limits on your character, all because of an idiotic skill system. (right because in world of warcraft they dont limit you at lvl 60 and with more money you give them they unlock the lvl 70 plus new gear.. and with more money you unlock lvl 80 and so on and on and on...

Your argument 2 doesn't make any sense either.  A player can play offline for 6 months just training skills.  Then they can just log in when their character has the skills they want to play the game, then grind a few quests/factions etc.  Since your character wouldn't have skill limits on it anymore, you would be able to buy whatever ships you want when you get the ISK. (right because getting 500million isk doing level 1 -2-3 missions does not take long at all /endsarcasm)  So at that point the player would just have to grind ISK for a bit, for a while (fixed) but a newcomer with the same amount of time input as the 6 month player.. the newcomer can't do that.  

The newcomer is 6 months behind the person who sat on their ass for 6 months, because they didn't maintain a subscription long enough.  (actually they wont be behind at all, they will be at the same place.)Again, EVE is for lazy players who don't want to play MMORPGs more than 1h/week (most of the eve players i know play 3-4 hours a day because you dont play just to make you better but to make your corp better, to make your alliance better. to organize strikes, or high sec-0.0 logistics. or hell play the market... there is just so much to do that you realize skills are not as important as knowing and playing the game. )

 

EVE is boring, especially the missions in EVE.  You'll be doing the same shit forever.  Killing the same bland pirate who stole something, taking whatever he stole and delivering to somewhere 50 hops away. (this proves that you did not do any missions... i run level 4 and 5 missions and rarely i have to fly moer than 2 jumps) (i think 5 was the furthest i got, and i simply declined it) and missions are simply there to get your finances up. there are far better ways to make isk 

Take like 10 different quests, make 1000 variations of each, put them in every station.  That is EVEs mission system, meaningless and boring ISK grind quests. (sounds familiar, go to x place kill 10 boars come back ok now go to that other place kill 500 bunnies and then come back.... again Missions are to get your finances up when your down a few million)

 

You know why EVE is a softcore game?  Because when I played it, my ship and skills couldn't keep up with the amount of ISK i was accumulating.  Clearly I progressed too much in too short of a time.  Shit companies like CCP could have never predicted that great players like me would be playing their shitty game.(OH GREAT GAMER THAT DOES THE LVL 1 STORY ARK MISSION TELL US YOUR SECRETS)  Their shitty game, with their limits put on it for players who don't really want to play MMORPGs at all.  Anyone who would want to play MMORPGs would invest some time into a game, and with EVE they clearly did not predict that people would possibly play their game longer than 3-5 hours per week.

If you do not believe that argument, then try EVE out.  See what happens..

You'll end up waiting 1 week to continue part of a quest chain(the level 1 mission arc that anyone can complete in a frigate), because your ship, weapons are too weak.  Because your skills didn't keep up with your rate of missions.  So you have all this ISK, and you can't buy what you need to continue with a quest in EVE.( im curious how much was "ALL THIS ISK" that you had?)

That is why EVE is definitely designed for people who do not play MMORPGs often.  Some of the quests are simply not doable if you progress too fast. (because quests arnt meant to be the game...)

CCP just doesn't want people to plow through their game content (or lack thereof).(because CCP does not have content... the players do, have you heard about the goon vs bob war? how about the story behind CVA alliance? all player made... now if you need a developper to tell you how to play the game, tell you where to go, tell you what to do... you need to play a game where not much thinking is required. they tell you as a warrior you need to have a heavy armor so you can only wear these heavy armor that we chose for you... then go back to your hardcore game where they hold your hand.

I'd rather grind for a year than wait offline for a year before a game becomes playable.(ide rather play for a year than grind for a year)  If I played EVE (so you never truely played it?), I would always be limited by the real-life time limits on skill progression.(what if i told you that at some point skills matter very little)  If EVE was a hardcore game, and if it wasn't boring, and there were raids (WOW RAID... you need raids... damn these alliance wars sometimes make your raids... easy... a few hours of team work a night....eve wars lasts for weeks at a time...and you have teams of over 500 people fighting that way, but hey how would you know, you only did the level 1 arc mission quest.. and less grinding (thought you said you needed to grind isk) meaningless quests,(not meant to be meaningfull to begin with) and the skill system wasn't based on age of account, then I would consider it a decent game.World Of Warcraft (fixed)

 

 

YOU SIR FAIL

DAMN!!!

ive read about 50% of these posts and skimmed the rest and honestly i can come to 1 conclusion!

those who think EVE sucks give arguments that fall in the "wrong facts" category

-More skills = better player (WRONG FACT)

argument, what good is fighting with a character that has 40 million SP when 30 million are set in mining and only 10 in combat?

argument2, what good is having the skills for a command ship or  a battleship when in that fight you are a tackler in an assault frigate. I would say a player will use (and im pushing it) about 5 million skill points worth of skills when they take a certain role (capitals and higher end ships excluded)

-Eve players play eve while offline (WRONG FACT)

argument, there is so much to do in eve that we dont bother with the skill training, instead we play the game.

argument2, k you have trained for 6 months offline while playing (insert mainstream MMO) now you think you are half uber and go in because you can fly a command ships with tech 2 everything... good how you gonna aford it? ok buy some plexes... now what you have your goober command ship with goober weapons, lets do some missions! oh right you dont have any standings with any agents... and the new agents wont alow you to use a command ship? oh you mean you need to use a cruiser or lower?ohyou could have done that within the 1st week of play!... ok then missions are not your thing lets go into more dangerous territory becaus eyou have a really nice tech 2 fitted realyl expensive ship, lets go into low sec... (makes the sound of the warpgate jump) whats all those 30 red flashy things... oh a gate camp... no more command ship.

all that could have been avoided, if you would have played the game from day 1 doing missions and get enough isk to buy the command ship. get into a corp that might have taught you how to use those shiny pewpews AND have backup when going into low sec/nul sec so at least you have a fighting chance with those ships.

-eve is boring (WRONG FACT)

argument, mining missioning are boring in high sec , yeah sure, go on to low sec/0.0 and mine the same way, oops, you lost another hulk because you went afk to the bathroom in a solo mining op? maybe you should have organized a fleet to back you up... oh wait you need friends for that you need to create alliances, get into a corp that has the ressources and manpower to actually make those ops possible, in fact they might even have the ressources to replace your stuff if you loose it. ill give that eve is a BIG NO NO FOR SOLO PLAYERS.

-Autopilot is the way to travel (WRONG FACT)

argument, OH GOD NO! you put anything of value in a ship and people will find a way to explode you and take it. Even in High sec. And for the love of god, there is an option that says warp to 0. this will save you ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF TIME!  P.S. concord is there to punish, not to protect.

i know im forgetting alot more WRONG FACTS! but all this false information leads me to believe that those who think that eve sucks either never played past the tutorial (or skipped it and quit after a few hours of wandering around) or have never played it at all.

Play eve for more time, get into a corp and then you are placed to tell people that its boring, but dont come here with what "you heard from eve" or with only a few hours of gameplay.

Edit: OH CRAP WALL OF TEXT! didnt realize i wrote so much!

i am ok with the retail+ subscription

i am ok for an RMT or anything requiring me to pay extra ONLY if i get something tangible.

i would pay for a T-shirt/keychain/artbook/poster/hat/cap/whatever with the game's logo or game oriented.

now paying for the BOX + SUBSCRIPTION + DIGITAL ITEMS IN GAME (regardless if they are usefull or not) thats just theft. I mean are we going to end up paying 15+ say, 10 for armor set 5 for weapon set another 10 for some cosmetic set  that make you look cool 15 for a new "zone"  thats 45$!! for 1 account! each month. now pay for a year. now add box + 2 expansions per year. (lets put round numbers 50 for box 50 for expansions) thats close to 700$ /account /year i didnt include collectibles or pets or things that fall in "other" category.

DAMN ! i pay less for my data smartphone per month!

(oh dont forget your internet connection that costs moneyz to) 

i think its getting quite expensive to play videogames IMHO...

@the person who stated the collectible's edition being a rip of? maybe... but at least i get posters, soundtracks, books, and sometimes key chains and other goodies (including a free collectibles edition ingame item or special character features.

Originally posted by Lansid

The Endless Forest.

It's the game you all have wanted to play, but didn't know about.

It's not a grindfest, it's not all about phat lewtz, it's not about who has the biggest e-peen...

It's about... human faced deer, running around in the woods.

You all bitch about wanting different... well, there you go. Put up or shut up.

different and empty, lacks content.

now please remove yourself from my awesome presence or post something intelligent :P ( teens i train take a chuckle to that phrase hehe)

Originally posted by sadeisinsane

I would have to say that I agree with the fact that WoW, LotR and EvE are very well built games and probably considered some of the most well polished or long lasting, or whatever category you want to call it.. but how can anyone say they are necessarily doing it right and some of the others out there are not.

I only state this because everyone has a diffferent opinion of what is right for them.  I personally did not care for Eve, nor LotR, and I used to play WoW a lot but now find it boring and no longer wish to play it ever again.  I have played other games as well and they all end up boring me at some point.  I am not saying they are not great games or they didn't offer something that was really good and playable at one point but eventually they did lose interest.

I guess what I am saying is that any game that has a steady fan base, provides new content, and attempts to re-polish their game over time, making it more appealing, or working out problems that the fan base has, then I would say it is a successful game.  Also going in a different direction then the standard MMO and bringing something new to the table can be a big incentive as well, allthough in most cases it generally doesn't pan out..  Thumbs up to EvE for being successful at this.

You may not personally agree with me, this is just my two cents.

the reason why i say these are the games that are doing it right because when you play it you dont feel like youve played that before. "this is the same sh*t all over" 

honestly the NGE is a copy of WoW with a starwars skin. that type of games are doing it "wrong" 

dare to be different and work hard and be proud and you will succeed. 

same shit different skin = doing ti wrong

Originally posted by Mardy

All this thread is, is for people to come and talk about the games they like.  I mean how would you even judge what "right" is?  All I see so far are people's opinions on what they are playing currently.

not necessarely, by "right" i mean that they are increasing in popularity and/or are still on the up curve of their life and/or the game mechanics are well done/made and/or the goods rightout outweight the bads.

looking at the posts i cant really comment on fallen earth simply because i have not even seen what this game is like, hell, i have not even visited their website. but from what i read, it does look like an honorable mention. though i would wait and see how the patches and fixes and evolution of the game goes before i pass judgement on the game

Originally posted by pepsibottle

WoW is doing it right.

Eve is the biggest piece of boring trash I have ever played.

you might want to explain why you say this, else it looks like a "wow rules eve sucks" kiddy post.

and even if you might think its the most boring piece of trash (without any examples) none the less CCP has the balls to add new stuff never before seen on the MMO market. their stackless IO and other technological advancements that allow 1000 people in jita with minimal lagg AND to house 40 000 people on one server... not only that they will be introducing more things to do in game that are "thinking outside the box" in dominion and incarna

in their fanfest they said "we see what you do and we try to make a game mechanic for it"

WoW is simply very well made game. not a game for me but none theless a very well made game with complete features and a game that attracts the masses. 

In my books only 3 MMORPGs are going what it takes to succeed

Lord of the Rings Online.

graphics are fantastic, game play caters to the PVE like no other game. When i played this game for a few months i was impressed by the storyline and the quests and simply how you actually feel you are in middle earth. Groups could use some work but all in all this game ranks up high in my mind.

World of Warcraft

all i can say its that it is a complete game. All features required are there, and if they are not it was intended that way. with the new expansion coming, they are giving it a "rebirth" . Honestly this game bores me to hell and i cant play it for more than one hour before uninstalling it. But i can't ignore its success and its business model. Cudos to Blizzard.

EvE Online

they are the ones with the BALLS! they dare to be different and use the latest technology available. In the development of Eve they go beyond normal. they hired architects and stylists to design structures and clothing for their incarna expansion. they are merging 2 platforms in original ways, honestly, even though this game caters to a certain audience, their success is increasing with every day that passes by.

What MMOs do you think are doing it "right"

Originally posted by riversong

Originally posted by Sovrath 

Guild Wars?

 

Did Guild Wars turn F2P?

i dont remember ever paying a monthly fee for it... you buy the box and you play all you want

Give Dungeons and dragons online a go

grind is minimal, you dont realize that you are leveling up until you actually level up, the fun part is doing the dungeons with friends