Originally posted by Joekra
Those always posting the same "Don't play it like WoW and you will enjoy it more!" should maybe consider that they played the game how it was presented to them while playing and they didn't find it fun. Also most times I read this they never elaborate on what they actually mean and how the game is so much more fun if you play it "different". Seriously, catchy phrase from half a year back and now you just gonna throw it out whenever someone actually dislikes the game?

It is the same posters here who just can not accept that not eveyone is going to enjoy GW2. And it is embarassing really to see them use same tactics everytime someone tries to give their impression about the game.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Isturi

All these opinions are fun to read. TY

These guys play TSW and are complaining about the quality of Defiance. I wouldn't take too much heed of their opinions.

I find TSW to be fun just like I find Defiance fun.  There's no need to trash other games when trying to defend a game you like.

 People resort to these kind of tactics, when they can't win the argument.

He is under the impression that people play only one MMO at a time and should form some kind of allegiance or join camps of whatever MMO they are attached to.

What he doesn't realise is that people are capable of playing multiple MMOS these days (thanks to B2P and F2P revolution) and if they they have issues with one MMO out of 4 they are playing doesn't mean they have an agenda against that MMO. This is such a backward thinking to attack someone on basis of what other games they have played or are currently playing and use it as an excuse to deflect attention from the issue at hand. He would have very hard time declaring me a rival though since i am playing 3 MMOS and soon with Neverwinter it will be 4.. lol 

It is against TOS to attack someone like that though and he is going that route now because he has no valid argument left.

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by thark

 As I said , It's almost the same combat as TSW, that would indicate that I moved and fought at the same time..

In your OP you say you tried GW2 for first time but your post history suggest otherwise? seems like you had lot to say about GW2 and its game features not so long ago.

 

I am confused as hell..so did you or did you not play this game before?

 I have watched videos and read reviews, based upon that I have also been involved in a few posts where GW2 has been mentioned, I don't think I have ever said I played the game, did I ?

I may even ..If I recall correctly ..Gotten abit annoyed of all the GW2 players that came inside the TSW forum and spread all kinds of crap of that game..

 Is that forbidden unless you are an active player ?

Furthermore, I have no clue in what I said in discussions that are 2-6 Months old; i don't actually care either, but It seems you do..:)

Since you obviously wanted to target me as some sort of "troll" with your accusations, It seems to me that looking up someone elses post history to prove some sort of conspiracy teory to other posters, is as far as my concern far more ugly that actually partaking in discussions without any real ingame experience of the game in question..

Besides that, we have internet every person can today get great info of a game by just looking at reviews and interviews ..But as far as that goes I have actually felt that GW2 was something to play before I actually played it yesterday, but for some reason the game passed me by (other games got purchased before) ..During release of GW2 I played alot of TSW and that Is one reason I didnt get on the GW2 train

 

 

So let me guess..if i remember your name from months ago when you were heavily active on GW2 forums and had lot to say about grouping mechanics and how game feels a solo fest...and then i read a topic from where you write 'i have never tried the game before' what will be my first reaction?

It is not about trying to accuse you for anything but i had to amke sure that i wasn't wrong. So you are telling me you were all up in the arms without playing the game? i criticise a lot of games but difference is that i atleast play them first extensively.

All your crticism of the game was based on videos and reviews? because you sounded very sure of what you were saying.

So please tell me how anyone can take you seriously now? i would never ever crticise a game on basis of videos i saw and what others say about it. 

 Heavily Active ?...From what I can remember I wrote a couple of times in the GW2 forum , the reason was mosty because fans of GW2 were herassing TSW forums..They came out at very much the same time at Funcoms demise..:)

All things I have said about GW2  is things that should be common knowledge(atleast I think so) And If I said I disliked solo friendly games in a converstion about GW2 , well..then It's because It's common knowledge that GW2 is rather solo friendly..Isnt that right ?

And..Ok..You got me..I lost all my credibilty now :) 

Not exactly sure what you are trying to prove even,   It's not that you would agree with me on my view of GW2 anyway even after I actually played it...Or would you ?

-Im not trustworthy ;) So you guys that agree with me , you can't !! I'm Sorry..

So..can we please drop this extremly silly conversation  were you try to discredit me and I'm trying to defend myself..I didnt play It before, but now I did...

And so you don't get any other bright ideas I played it very short and I tried 2 classes one Asura Necromancer and one Human Ranger..The Human ranger felt better than the Asura Necromancer..

And as I said in my starter  post, I played it "very limited" so It would indicate that I have very low experience with the game, If I would be trying to bully you GW2 fans for your game or even have the slightest reason to do so..I would never even have mentioned this at all .

 

 

 

Read the first page again. I was the fool who tried to defend you against the angry fans. Why? because i was under the impression that you actually gave your genuine feedback after playing the game for first time. I had no idea you made posts on GW2 earlier on criticising the game on pure hear say.

So yeah i did take your feedback seriously till i reallised that you already had a lot to say about GW2 and its game features and icing on the cake? you didn't even play GW2 untill now.

By the way anyone can get a common knowledge on basis of what you see in videos and what others write on the forums. But smart people make their own mind before arriving to conclusions. You jumped the gun because you couldn't help yourself and you had to say something bad about GW2. That is the problem there and that is why these forums are such a mess.

 If only you had waited to actually play the game and then given your criticism people would have taken what you said more seriously.

And stop referring to me as a "GW2 fan'. I am not a fan of any MMO around here and if i was a GW2 fan i would never defend your right to opinion on very first page. A mistake i will never make again.

Originally posted by fallenlords

I was just stating to Isturi the common factor about the majority of people giving Defiance crap, is association.

 

As for weapon levels I have no idea what I am up to, because it doesn't make much of a difference.  My EGO is about 800 or something I think, could be 900 now I don't pay attention to that either.   I don't pay much attention because it doesn't matter.  I check to see if I unlock a perk slot now and then, I change weapons if I max out the level on one to continue earning XP.  But none of that stuff matters in Defiance.  If it did I would be keeping an eye on it.

 

As for missing items I am not going to hunt down links, missing inventory items is a known bug. It has been mentioned in the community updates.     Are you really at a state where you are finished with weapon leveling, where you have decided on your final loadout.  Probably not, you will continue to level and find weapons with better stats.  

 

A post on here stated about the vehicle level issue and getting the skill reset after reporting it.  Again big whoop, bit of extra boost, a few updated stats.  Yeah totally game breaking. If am level 1 on rollers my world would collapse, I couldn't squash as many hellbugs...

 

You are talking as if it takes you effort to level these things up, they level in the background with no effort at all. All you have to do is play the game. 

You were arguing just for that sake of it even though you have no idea how much difference a lvl 20 weapon skill makes  in comparison to lvl 1 skill.  So do me favor don't tell me how much effort it takes to get weapons to level 20 when you haven't even gone beyond lvl 10 in any weapon.  All the weapon skills and roller skills, gold and silver medals etc are tied to pursuits and are no way easy to complete. Losing all that means losing progress in pursuits too.

As far as replacing lost rare weapons and resetting skills after the patch screw up, i couldn't find any such link on official forums.(no surprise there either).

I am done arguing with you though..i should have known better that i am arguing with someone who doesn't even know what he is talking about.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Today I learned that weapons (and skills) disappearing is not a game breaking issue, even if you can't get them back.  The more you know........!

Someone let me know when that issue is sorted, I know it's a B2P game but I don't feel like wasting my time just to have the boogey man loot my inventory.

 

I know right? ;) i suggest keep any eye out on official forums..but if i were you i would wait atleast another 2 to 3 months. In its current state game isn't worth the price it is asking for.  Another database error happened tonight and people yet again reporting loss of ego skills and roll backs. It has become a dail thing around here.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?45728-An-Honest-Message-to-the-Developers/page3

Try neverwinter on 30th if you are just looking for something new..that is where i am headed till this game gets stable. I enjoy iblowing stuff up but losing my skills and rare items was the last straw for me.

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

I really don't care if you consider it a game breaking issue or not but  to lose all my 18 skills on LMG and roller and losing two of my rare weapons is game breaking for me. And i think you missed the part where i wrote that GM has made it clear that they won't replace my weapons. And yes weapon skills do make a big difference because that is the progression in the game. A LMG equipped  at lvl 1 is no where close to  LMG equipped at lvl 18. And it is no walk in the park to level up your weapon skills in this game . I wonder if you even play the game because you are talking nonsense. 

 

You wrote to a GM, so you mean you opened a ticket, and he stated he wouldn't replace the weapons.  Seems odd, I opened a ticket for missing pre-order items and bang items in my account with no fuss or hassle.  Heard of other people losing their weapon/vehicle skills, again who have just opened a ticket and had their values reset.

 

As for weapon skills I am starting from scratch with the boss Nim because LMG's, Assault Rifles and Sniper Rifles are of no use whatsoever.   I need a BMG or something to take him down which I haven't leveled at all.  While if I had leveled up the required weapons it would help a little, it's not going to have a dramatic effect if  I am picking up a weapon type for the first time. My understanding of weapon stats was there was deliberately not too much of a gap, so that players of different levels could play together with no issues.

Could you direct me to the link where people got their lost weapons refunded and skills reset? missing pre order item is not same as weapon disappearing from your inventory after the patch.

So you don't have one weapon skill upto lvl 18 or 20 and still arguing about how much difference it does or does not make? sigh..

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Isturi

All these opinions are fun to read. TY

These guys play TSW and are complaining about the quality of Defiance. I wouldn't take too much heed of their opinions.

 

I don't why you quoting the reply directed to me by Isturi and using 'these guys'. I haven't played TSW in months and probably never will. Or this was another of your cheap attempts to deflect the heat from Defiance towards anythign FC related? typical i guess. 

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by thark

 As I said , It's almost the same combat as TSW, that would indicate that I moved and fought at the same time..

In your OP you say you tried GW2 for first time but your post history suggest otherwise? seems like you had lot to say about GW2 and its game features not so long ago.

 

I am confused as hell..so did you or did you not play this game before?

 I have watched videos and read reviews, based upon that I have also been involved in a few posts where GW2 has been mentioned, I don't think I have ever said I played the game, did I ?

I may even ..If I recall correctly ..Gotten abit annoyed of all the GW2 players that came inside the TSW forum and spread all kinds of crap of that game..

 Is that forbidden unless you are an active player ?

Furthermore, I have no clue in what I said in discussions that are 2-6 Months old; i don't actually care either, but It seems you do..:)

Since you obviously wanted to target me as some sort of "troll" with your accusations, It seems to me that looking up someone elses post history to prove some sort of conspiracy teory to other posters, is as far as my concern far more ugly that actually partaking in discussions without any real ingame experience of the game in question..

Besides that, we have internet every person can today get great info of a game by just looking at reviews and interviews ..But as far as that goes I have actually felt that GW2 was something to play before I actually played it yesterday, but for some reason the game passed me by (other games got purchased before) ..During release of GW2 I played alot of TSW and that Is one reason I didnt get on the GW2 train

 

 

So let me guess..if i remember your name from months ago when you were heavily active on GW2 forums and had lot to say about grouping mechanics and how game feels a solo fest...and then i read a topic from where you write 'i have never tried the game before' what will be my first reaction?

It is not about trying to accuse you for anything but i had to amke sure that i wasn't wrong. So you are telling me you were all up in the arms without playing the game? i criticise a lot of games but difference is that i atleast play them first extensively.

All your crticism of the game was based on videos and reviews? because you sounded very sure of what you were saying.

So please tell me how anyone can take you seriously now? i would never ever crticise a game on basis of videos i saw and what others say about it. 

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Bigdaddy

Takes a long time level up skills. I reached lvl 18 on my LMG which got reset back to 0, same for my roller. Maybe for you it is minor annoyance but it is game breaking for me and many others. I have already sent two tickets for missing items bu they told me that they can not replace the fully moded rare weapons. I had to open atleast 20 tier 3 lock boxes to get the weapons i needed. I am not going to do that all over again.

No wonder this is your attitude towards other problems when you consider it 'minor annoyances'.

Again, not what I consider game breaking issues at all.  Weapons/Vehicle skills being reset is once again a known bug and can be sorted out by a GM.  Missing inventory items is also a known bug and I am sure a GM will replace with comparable weapons of a similar level, perhaps minus the mods.   But gear difference in this game is like fractional, with the odd buff here and there.   It doesn't make much of a noticeable difference at all.   Not like losing a rare weapon in another MMO.   If gear made a significant difference or weapon/vehicle skills had a dramatic impact I would agree with you.  But they don't, so I don't.  Annoying yes, game breaking no.  Especially as both have been acknowledged as known issues.

I really don't care if you consider it a game breaking issue or not but  to lose all my 18 skills on LMG and roller and losing two of my rare weapons is game breaking for me. And i think you missed the part where i wrote that GM has made it clear that they won't replace my weapons. And yes weapon skills do make a big difference because that is the progression in the game. A LMG equipped  at lvl 1 is no where close to  LMG equipped at lvl 18. And it is no walk in the park to level up your weapon skills in this game . I wonder if you even play the game because you are talking nonsense. 

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Axewielderx

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by Bad.dog

Originally posted by thark

I haven't yet tried GW2 dispite glowing reviews , so when they gave out keys for a demo for this weekend I finnaly got to dive into it..without paying 60 Euro for it..

As you all can imagine  Ihavent played it for very long as this demo started yesterday, so this is naturally based on the early levels of the game.

Well..I'm not sure where all the glowing reviews come from , but for me this game felt very bad, cheasy and simply uninspired..

From remembering the countless complains about The Secrets Worlds poor combat and animations, wich I never felt that they were bad, but this combat that is almost the same type but with fantasy weaponry feels like super bad when you compare them. I get  feeling the combat simply is not connecting to the enemies enough..

Furthermore , I get the feeling my character doesn't blend in well in the enviorments, It feels almost as she's cut and pasted ontop of a postcard or something.

The outdoor and vistas are nice looking thou, but alas they are not going to give me a reason enough to go explore the world when the rest of the game feels cheasy and uninspired.

I'm glad I didnt shell out the 60 Euros needed to try this.

TSW is by all counts a far greater product, even TRIONS new Defiance and even RIft feels better than this game.

Game on !! :))

  

I think you downloaded Tera by mistake ...try moving and combat at the same time

 As I said , It's almost the same combat as TSW, that would indicate that I moved and fought at the same time..

Read this guys post history and you will see he is a troll. I thought this had already been determined.

i peaked through.. didn't see i specific post he said he had played.. saw where he said tsw was a better game but that's about it.. what post did he say he played the game?

It is against TOS to post history but yes he did write long posts abut how the game feels like solo game.  It is there but i had go through it just to make sure because i dislike it when people try to mislead readers .

Originally posted by thark

 As I said , It's almost the same combat as TSW, that would indicate that I moved and fought at the same time..

In your OP you say you tried GW2 for first time but your post history suggest otherwise? seems like you had lot to say about GW2 and its game features not so long ago.

I am confused as hell..so did you or did you not play this game before?

I was reading this topic and i felt i am back in 2005...then i saw the date nope..it is 20th April 2013!!!!!!!

Sorry dear devs but i have moved on from raiding gear tread mill. You can not treat me like a hamster anymore.

Originally posted by Methos12

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Windamere

Also tried the free to play weekend, already done by saturday morning!

It's just cheesy and plainly just like every MMO out. Didn't find a single thing to keep me interested.

Talk to this person chase that goal return for reward Blah, blah, blah

Seriously don't understand why so many actually paid for it....................(glad I didn't)

Huh? :P

He is talking about heart events where once you complete it you go back to NPC to get armor, weapons etc.

But you don't. You don't GET anything - heart NPC is a vendor, you buy stuff from him just like from any other Karma vendor.

I know but the rewards unlock mostly afte completing the event and if you have enough karma you can buy thsoe rewards. Maybe he was geting confused with heart NPC when he said complete task and return for rewards.

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Windamere

Also tried the free to play weekend, already done by saturday morning!

It's just cheesy and plainly just like every MMO out. Didn't find a single thing to keep me interested.

Talk to this person chase that goal return for reward Blah, blah, blah

Seriously don't understand why so many actually paid for it....................(glad I didn't)

Huh? :P

He is talking about heart events where once you complete it you go back to NPC to get armor, weapons etc.

Originally posted by darksilver

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Thanks for the replies guys but one of my question is still un answered. 600, 000 AD with guardian pack or 600,000 AD from in game shop. Which is better deal.

I have no experince with in game prices.

Nor do we. Let me explain the zen <-> astral diamond price is not set by cryptic but be us the players. 

 

Now the other 2 cryptic games use a similar currency. In CO the use questionite and the price is now 201. In STO the use dilithium and the price is now 123.

In NW we can only guess how much it will be worth. 2 Month ago some found a item in the zen store that you could buy too with astral diamonds and it was around ~210 zen so with this, your 600k would worth 2857zen. So in $ it would be worth ~ 50% of the founders pack price then ...

 

The problem starts here, as you can see the price with CO vs STO is way different and even in this games the price goes up or down a lot. In STO it was down to 86 zen 3-4 month ago but it raised with another lock box (with good items) and additionl anohter rare price (bug ship) with gamling item to a whooping 123 zen now.

 

To make it even worse in Neverwinter, the auction house works only with Astral Diamonds and thats unique. Throw in all the hundred and thousands astral diamonds with packs (in a interview the said last bw4 weekend only for founder players or friend key user, over 20k player participate) and now calculate.

 

So in the end, your guess is so good as mine where the astral diamonds to zen ratio ends in NW..............

 

 

 

 

Ok i get it now;) it is more or less like GW2 where market is controlled by the players.

Thanks a lot for explanation. I will surely wait and see after release before making AD purchase.

Thanks for the replies guys but one of my question is still un answered. 600, 000 AD with guardian pack or 600,000 AD from in game shop. Which is better deal.

I have no experince with in game prices.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by VastoHorde
This game was never anything more then a cheap filler mmo to play till something else comes out.

Like what CU? Which is a filler for.....  Lines like this are just total troll....

I don't see why you are getting angry at others opinions? OP gave it a try and gave his reasons for not liking it. A lot of people consider games like GW2, TSW, Defiance etc as filler MMOS. (this is not trolling but how many feel).

Are you going to get angry at every individual who doesn't like GW2? because then you will spend rest of your life being angry.

Originally posted by Turbological

Is not ready for release but whatever..i am not going to play for a long time...better mmos coming soon.

This is not official release. It is still open beta where you will test and give feedback in squashing bugs. Only difference is that once this OB ends there will be no character wipes.

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

You can write a long essay but it won't matter. People who are having problems with Defiance don't need to compare their experinces with that of yours in order to complain. For you in your mind you were completely justified and same goes for current defiance players.

As far as cherry picking the issues. Those are the most common ones and game breaking issues.And i am one of the players to whom it happened (and i already mentioned it in IGN thread yesterday). It is very easy to confuse people with shills around here though I am pretty sure you ahve been called the same on more than one ocassion.

Didn't say the people having problems with Defiance need to compare their experiences.  As I keep saying I would just like to hear more reasoning behind some of their arguments.  And not see a particular developer pop up nearly every time somebody is sticking the knife in on Defiance.  Because I see a bit of a pattern forming.

 

And as for your game breaking issues, unable to login is an issue I will grant you.  But missing inventory items and skills being reset are hardly 'game breaking'.  Something a GM could sort out I would imagine.  Free respec on skills by all accounts there if you want it - bit of a result, I spent 7k scrip on that yesterday.

 

As for me I have never been accused of being a shill, as far as I know,  what about you?  I have been accused of being a troll and I can understand how some of my posts may be considered to lean that way.  But in essence I just speak my mind which gets me into trouble, and I am open about my detest for a certain developer and the reasons.

 

Takes a long time level up skills. I reached lvl 18 on my LMG which got reset back to 0, same for my roller. Maybe for you it is minor annoyance but it is game breaking for me and many others. I have already sent two tickets for missing items bu they told me that they can not replace the fully moded rare weapons. I had to open atleast 20 tier 3 lock boxes to get the weapons i needed. I am not going to do that all over again.

No wonder this is your attitude towards other problems when you consider it 'minor annoyances'.

Originally posted by mcrippins
wow $200 for the best founders pack. I guess to some that's not a lot of money.. 

Prices like these are for the most hardcore fans. For rest of us it might look like waste of money.

Originally posted by ArrowAz
Mark Jacobs (the developer) has already said this game will never go f2p.

Heard that one many times before.

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

I really don't need justification behind your vendetta against AOC and FC. Every person thinks that their reason are the most legitimate. So you are in no position to question anyones motive here for criticising the game. Official forums is full of legitimate reasons like resetting of skills to 0, peole losing their full moded orange and purple weapons..people who are still unable to log in and play the game due to poor client and patcher. There are a lot of reasons why people are angry and upset and would also love to have a refun but they can not because there is no refund policy. 

So please like i said earlier you are the last person to ask anyone around here for a 'legitimate" reason to criticise the game. So far the impression i get is that all your hate for AOC and FC is justfieid but if someone has issues with Trion they first need to make sure their issues are legitimate. Because obviously your problems were bigger and more serious than all the defiance players. 

I am not justifying it to you because I don't need to do that, I am telling you some of the partial reasons. I would need to write an essay to summaries all the reasons why I think Funcom should burn and why they are in a different league to Trion and most other MMO developers.

 

Like I say with Defiance I am interested in hearing the reasons.  Not just ones you decide to cherry pick from the official forums.   Not saying people have to give legitimate reasons, just saying if you post to a forum you are initiating or taking part in a discussion.   If you voice an opinion, then it makes sense on a forum to let people know where you are coming from.  I am cautious of anybody that posts negative banter without good reason, just as I am cautious about anybody that posts positive banter without good reason.

 

Like it or not shills exist, though may not be acknowledged, and they are not just there to big up a game they are there to put rival games down. I look at the people attacking Defiance and try to see where they are coming from.  I noticed a bit of pattern going on, which strangely is linked to my old nemesis.  So yeah I am going to be vocal on this one.  Because a) I can see Defiance having an impact on their user base b) I am 99% sure they use shills (look at Metacritic user score bump) c) I like discussions.

You can write a long essay but it won't matter. People who are having problems with Defiance don't need to compare their experinces with that of yours in order to complain. For you in your mind you were completely justified and same goes for current defiance players.

As far as cherry picking the issues. Those are the most common ones and game breaking issues.And i am one of the players to whom it happened (and i already mentioned it in IGN thread yesterday). It is very easy to confuse people with shills around here though I am pretty sure you ahve been called the same on more than one ocassion.