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Originally posted by angerbeaver

Maybe it is unique that a game has every one of those features though. For me the play style did not feel different enough for it to stand out. I am however one of those people that did not play long. I am also under the belief a game should grab you right away. If you pay for a game it seems silly that a lot of the player base agrees the first 10 levels suck.

I wouldn't say it is a clone, just a Frankenstein.


Note: I think it is the first 10 levels, but i could be wrong.

It's about 5 levels before the game opens up ...perhaps 2 hours play time

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Scot
Yes P2P can keep the perverts at bay, well some of them anyway. :)

WOW would like to say 'hello' to you if think a paltry sum of 15 bucks can make communities better.

To be honest if it keeps you out I'll pay the $15 ....and the community will be better in turn

Originally posted by Gorwe
So, yet another failed system like GW 2?


Look at the brightside gives you another 18 or so months of being able to come to the forms and tell the folks playing a game how much they don't like it .

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by miagisan
I actually like it. I always hated universal AHs. I like the idea of player/guild shops, makes for a more regional economy.

There are no player shops. And i don't see how spamming in chat for hours to sell your stuff can be fun for anyone. Each to their own  i guess.

yea it will be the shits for gold farmers and you Doggie ,,,,not so bad for guilds and friends though

Originally posted by -aLpHa-

This is wrong on so many levels *shake head*.

This is so right on so many levels "shakes head"

Showtime !!
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Wow so if I just buy the standard edition I get locked out of other factions because I didn't fork over extra money ? Greed at it's finest.

Actual facts and knowledge are weapons negative folks never have to use

Originally posted by Damedius
Originally posted by Purutzil

My current choice is NDA.


*Cough* Did you know that even though they would support giving positive commenting (and hiding away negative) that an NDA covers even positive reviewing of a game? Its a fun fact you might want to learn about.

Fun fact. Theory crafting is not against the NDA.

Why let facts get in the way ,,,forum warrior 101


I can't decide even on one class yet

Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by cheyane

 Here is a link to the report: It doesn't really define their data collection methods other than saying it is digital point of sale data. 

You folks aren't serious are you ? How about showing real financial reports ? Superdataresearch did they sell swamp land or was it a bridge?  

Originally posted by Torgrim
Without quest markers the ingame chat will be flooded with lazy ass people asking where to find this or where to find that because they can't be arsed to use that grey mass that we call a brain.

+10 to this it was the map chat was flooded

Originally posted by SavageHorizon

I have to agree, yeah ESO PVP is ok but to call it large scale PVP is a bit far.

To me games like EVE, Age Of Wushu, DarkFall and even MO are true PVP games.

ESO&GW2 are for casuals, they want bragging rights but they don't want the PVP to truly hurt them.

Nothing wrong with that but when people describe ESO as large scale PVP it's an exaggeration.

I don't think it's an issue of being casual or not ,,,most folks just aren't interested in 100% pvp

Originally posted by Satarious
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by MikeB

And in Guild Wars 2, the downed state made dying almost impossible.

I guess this sentence shows what these websites have become. I wish people running them would actually play the games they are talking about. Because if you think the downed state makes you immortal, then you definitely either are on an agenda (how much advertisement money do the ESO guys give to MMORPG.COM?) or you never played WvW in GW2 long enough to know that what you just said is nonsense.


You sound like a GW2 fanboy, my friend.  Don't worry, GW2 will still be around.  There are plenty of people out there who refuse to pay subscription fees.

Having played hundred of  hours of WvW and still thinking GW2 puts out a very good product ...Jean-Luc I think you might really want to spend a little more time in ESO's version because if money isn't an issue there is no reason to play second best

Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
If there is one persons opinion i dont care for its his....  And that of his selfish so called buddy reporters

Yes. But you extra had to come here to say it.

I wonder why so many ppl feel the urge to bash Angry Joe. Envy?

Funny thing is I always find AJ to be pretty good ....the fact that he's starting to do a bit of a 180 just proves it more . He's always been a gut reaction fella anyways and that's not a bad thing ,he says how he feels  about something and moves on

Originally posted by laokoko

I don't think anyone even know if they like the game.  

The trend is everyone is a happy camper during beta, and a few month later, the critism comes in. 

If you think people are posting bad review now, just wait a few month.

It will still be the same folks making the same posts in a few months ....once butt hurt always butt hurt

Originally posted by Warjin

I don't get it, what's up with all the hate post and neg reviewers? I mean if you don't like the game then move on, don't post or follow the game, You don't see me over at the Wildstar forums posting crap why because I could care less about that game, I think it's nothing more then WoW clone with lazers, I will never go over and troll that forum just because i don't think the game is for me, I respect another persons willingness to play that game.

As of late all I been seeing coming out the wookwork are new accounts troll posting this game and angry people mad at who knows what, but I can tell you this and I am no doctor, you haters need to get your heads checked, what is wrong with you people, what mental illness do you suffer from that makes you want to just hate for the sake of hating?

Haters are you mad that this game isn't free to play, is it the Imp edtion, the attention it's getting over Wildstar, or that this game may takemore players WoW? I mean something is driving your anger what is it, maybe I can help, if not i'm sure someone here can recommend help of some sort.

As for site review haters like Massively's hate on this game has been uncovered, sometime during 2012 ESO gave an exclusive interview to another gaming site over them and this chic over at massiely got all butt hurt taking about how ESO is taking them for granted and from there this deep root hate for the game started, I can understand why they are bashing the game because they are butt hurt haters, but the rest of you, whats up?

It's the usual butt hurt vocal minority ,,,same folks for  every game ,they prefer doom and sorrow and posting on the forums then actually playing any game .

Originally posted by Deddmeat

The 'I can only play 30 minutes after getting in from work' crowd who moaned about paying full sub as the guy who played 7 hrs daily are why the mmo's are in the state they are today. After moaning until they got the easy grinding, levelling so they could equip like their friends who played for hours, you then get left with something sort of resembling what was once an mmo.

Now it's more a single player online game with a chat box and of course that's not what others wanted, it's now to easy so it goes ... Wait for it .. F2P

Now it's still roughly the same game but free, some are ok with that as they are no longer paying for what became basically a faulty product. Others not so as they want the old, original mmo experience they used to pay for. Some gamers want the ORIGINAL mmo back, the actual genre as it was, the niche not the mass market version.

Grinding, that long journey from level to level .. No world chat!! Dieting and caring about it. When mmo's were actually niche your character really meant something to you, who remembers UO, or when EQ was born and how you chose a character to stick with and not one you could switch between every few hours.

I remember in UO I had a Mage and we used to go to the very edge of town, just outside its safety border (like 1step lol) cast a flame wall and constantly walk through that to raise Magic Resistance up to a Grand Master. So we'd all be there chatting away trying not to kill ourselves in the process ;-)

As for people moaning about subs, they do it with any game. I see them on the Steam forum complaining about the sub for EVE but say how great the game is, they'll play it when F2P

$15 dollars is currently £9.12 .. I can't even buy a pizza for that, I can buy 1 bottle of Asti .. If I spend an extra £1 then 4 shots of sambuca instead. Which would last me less than 5 seconds

What planet do you come from ? The last people on the face of the earth that complain about spending their money to play a game are the folks that work for a living and try to balance play time and family time . What working people ask for are games that provide quality time not a game where you are force fed solo or duo or group or raiding content  but content where they can spend productive time doing whatever they want ,Nothing gets older faster then listen to same old crap about how great it was in the day when you had to walk uphill five miles each way to get on your computer to play EQ all night with 30 other cellar dwellers . UO , EQ,DAOC and Shadowbane  were good in there day but that's it ....there time has long past , it's time to move along and find something else put the rose coloured glasses away and embrace the games and folks that play in the present

Originally posted by Gorwe
Overall I see swtor as everything ESO wants to be + 1000x better IP/writing etc. Give me just one reason why should I play ESO when swtor is present. And no, I prefer tactical feel of wow mechanics(which are superbly executed in swtor) over the dodging like you are on a Sugar rush of the modern games.

Nothing really.

And if I want to play something more modern, I'll play TSW(I expect ESO to be below that one as well-discounting crafting ofc). No pun intended(or was it ;) )

Kind of shot yourself in the foot with this one ....swtor started out okay and then just got terrible ,,,TSW started out terrible and just got worse

Originally posted by Pellagren
I am a no.  My biggest gripe with this game is that grouping seems almost an afterthought.  This is Skyrim with other people playing next to you, but not with you.  I play MMO's to group with friends and accomplish goals that cannot be done solo.  I am also not a fan of them having a box price, a monthly sub and still with aspects behind a pay wall (and I can more than easily afford the's principle).

a big +1 on this ....not being able to complete quests as a group is a GAME KILLER

Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Elikal

Let's say it in this way: where there is smoke, there is usually a fire. If you watch and read the many previews, I'd say the majority of them is as critical as AngryJoe, and usually all on the same issues.

Sure, it could all be a big conspiracy of ALL the media guys to bring your most beloved MMO down. But then, how likely is that really? ;)

That same "issue" being: "This isn't Skyrim Online! I wants Skyrim Online!"


No I think folks just really want a good mmo and the issue is this may not be one

Originally posted by Jyiiga

I am beyond sick of the sub fee whines. They whine and whine and cry like little babies about sub fees. Then when they stick in an item shop, they will whine and cry and suck their thumbs like little babies and still not play the game.

These people trying to get something for nothing need to learn, no such thing. Take a hike.

some folks will pay 10$ for a bottle of tap water ....doesn't mean they are bright it just means they have cash to blow

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