Originally posted by Soulryn

I am laughing so hard. 

 

Now you´re complaining that you cant play with your friend, if you pick different races in different factions. In WoW, if you want to playan Orc, and your friend a Human, then you wont play together either.

 

Its nice how doomsayers find reason to hate the game, everytime.

Sorry pal but get you're f head out you're arse, this is The elder scrolls, where you make a char YOU want, Why force me to play an ugly fu high elf to play with my friend? are you serious you are this god dam fu fanboy already? i love TES series but making an mmo this way, as for WoW you serious? you fu serious? wow has alliance and horde with many races on each faction, of which you get many choices, dont even try and compair wow to this, this is THE FU ELDER SCROLLS, i should pick and play how I WANT like in all the other games. MMO should be about choice, why cant we pick a race and then a faction? like guildwars 2 storyline faction or how in wow pandaren can be alliance or horde after tutorial, ever thought about that?

SWTOR is not viable end game as F2P so buying any quickbars, account upgrades ect is useless as you will be forced to SUB endgame anyway for example....

4 weekly passes alone each week for 1 month will cost like £20... really £20 pounds for 1 month of just content unlocks this is excluding ALL account and char/companions unlocks.

So if you waste money on ANYTHING to lv 50 it will be wasted when you sub anyway.

Originally posted by FistyMayhem
I would like a fantasy MMO that has a single server like EVE... the only instancing EVE has is the missions and that's like going on a dungeon run in WoW, basically.. but no group finder, make your own group by >gasp< talking to people.  And I like the PVP too, generally I don't like open PVP 'cause it's a gank fest, but EVE isn't.. you choose how much riak you want to put yourself in by where you play, and the greater the risk the greater the reward.  I enjoy being able to log in at 4am US time and having people around to talk to in local.  Even in WoW on a high pop server it wasa pain in the ass to find people to play with at that time 'cause they divided the players up into RL geographic regions so much.

Thats another point i forgot to say in my post, 1 server = servers are always active and populated no matter what time you play, i play games alot living in UK till around 4am, most eu servers are totally dead by 1am so this massivly helps everyone.

Originally posted by D_TOX

I was captivated by the Elder Scrolls video until they touted this game-breaker as if its a good thing. They basically just admitted the game will be heavily sharded/instanced all in one server. What this means is you will have a world much like Star Trek Online, Age of Conan, TOR and other flop MMO's that makes you and other players invisible to each other even when you're standing in the same Inn/house/landscape until you click a little button that swaps you into another version of that zone.

I really hate this retarded direction ALL MMO's are taking now. There's nothing MMO about them, just cheaper server architecture to ease the workload in return for a weaker player experience and community. Then you have games like Planetside 2, an MMOFPS that happily allows thousands of players to be connected simultaneously in one server zone. Maybe i'm just an old-schooler who enjoyed the days of SWG, EVE and WOW when everything you were experiencing was being experienced by other players too. You never missed a thing. Now it's all about minimizing waiting for 'mobs' to spawn and creating a streamlined fast-track experience for players which completely detracts from the real MMO experience of community, patience and dedication. 

We're moving into the future of gaming but game development appears to be going backwards. Instead of creating BIGGER worlds with MORE quests and MORE ways to level, they are creating SMALLER worlds and INSTANCING them to sh*t instead. I just don't get it. There's no boldness in developing any more, only shortcuts and unoriginal 'creativity'.  I would have thought of all developers the Elder Scrolls team would be brave and bold with their development but it looks like i was wrong. 

I despise instancing!

LISTEN ALL, Basically this is a very very good thing, you know how many of my friends on GW2 could not join my server? yo uknow what happened on SWTOR when masses stopped playing? dead low pop servers, you know this direction of single servers is the way forward in a massive leap, when you have 1 servers everyone can play together unrestricted, when peopel quit aftr 2 months the server is still populated and feels the same because we are all on 1 server and 1 community, planetside 2 only holds a few hundred people per continent, hence the ques and so on.

The fact is you want single servers for what? no valid reason at all. with 1 server when you meet a guy at work who playt the game there sno of dam we on seperate servers, i gota pay £18 to join you lets not bother, its cool lets play together.

EvE Online is 1 server and do peopel complain about 50,000 people logged on at once?

SWTOR before they used basicallymega servers were dead and long ques and boring.

Single servers are the only way forward for mmo's to keep the community alive, the population healthy and friends together.

Nothing like a view of the Hellish Egyption desert sands from upside down on you're head !!!

As long as gear is easy to craft and you can kill mobs for gear ( unlike mo ) so if you die you can go far mobs for a full set of gear and loot then it will be ok and fun, it snot liek shit i died and lost my t13 raid wepaon i gridned for 3 months, you die with a blue longsword go farm a green one off a mob and that way you dont lose to much... also FPS makes it feel like you are there and experiancing the world not just watching a movie... up face to face with you enemy blocking with a shield reduces your view and not seeing the guy sneaking at the left of you to flank makes the game so much better imo and makes people more aware of the battlefield and challenging, i could deal with no full loot but everything els emus tbe in or it wont be a TES game and no point of an mmo, fuck it may as well play skyrim and tera for an mmo eh...

They butcher the SW universe in SWTOR and they will only do the same for TES, make it a pegi 12 kiddie theme park oh yea... PEGI 12 you think we will get the 15+ game like skyrim ? nope fu pegi 12 in a kiddie universe...

An FPS/SANDBOX Genre is the ONLY place an TES MMO Belongs. Guilds owning castles, faction warfare, sieges, full loot pvp, FPS, a big random world to explroe with randomy generated quests...

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by DAS1337

 

This conversation is pointless.  What we have in front of us is quite a few games with a FPS combat system that doesn't work.  Either that, or it is significantly less efficient than what TESO is going to use.  Until you can actually argue why it is better, we pretty much have to assume that it simply isn't.

but they DO work.

are you seriously trying to say that the combat engine in darkfall 'dosent work'? its as good or better than Skyrim combat

darkfall has a very good combat engine built by a small staff. PEROID.

It zenimax doesnt want to hire people to build and maintain one that is a different story but to say its not possible or that darkfall doesnt have a good one is beyond asine.

Wow, I am so surprised that you ignored the second part of that statement!!  So surprised! 

 

In case you don't understand sarcasm, I'm pointing it out for you.

 

"Either that, or it is significantly less efficient than what TESO is going to use"

 

I don't care if the staff is one person or one thousand people, if any system is less efficient than another, it is still less efficient.  Unless you consider a system where you have to pre-load spells, go in and out of combat mode, UI mode, and exploration mode.  Where hotkeys do not trigger upon pressing them and you go in and out of third person, completely breaking up the entire flow of combat... better.  No.  I just gave reasons why it is less efficient.  Now go ahead and try to argue it.  You can't. 

 

Oh, but that doesn't support your argument?  I'm sorry?

everything you have just said in detail darkfall does and they do it extreemly well.

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for the rage not all of them but most of them and it will work not mostly becuase its currently working perfectly.

Nobody has an issue with darkfall combat engine.

 

You guys and your Mortal Online and Darkfall love.  It's so mindnumbingly ridiculous.  Just because it is the best adaptation of what is currently available does not make it a good system.  The most damning evidence of the 'Greatness' of those combat systems is the fact the neither of them have more than 10,000 active subscriptions.  Don't pull any B.S. about the games being niche, because there have been hundreds of thousands of people who have tried those games and 99% of them have left. 

 

Those combat systems are littered with lag, glitches, warping, phasing, blinking, exploitation and complete and utter failure.. the fact that you can actually use them as a positive in nearly any situation is mind blowing.  These systems are a black hole for players.  They try it and vanish forever.

BECAUSE 99% of players like yourself are to fucking pussy to play them in a full loot sandbox game and handle the bandits and griefers and the reason they have bugs is because its only indie companys who ar enot controlled by EA games or some other WE ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY NOT THE GAMERS bullshit company. A game doe snot need 100 million subs to be good...

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

Originally posted by Gisborne

MORTAL ONLINE     http://www.mortalonline.com/index.php

Is a 100% first person only MMO action combat game, its basically Elder scrolls online in a full sandbox world...

here is a duel i had with a friend, a bit dark as it was night but you will see sword and shield combat with no armour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdUpX4VJWCs

completely agree.

if Star Vault can almost pull it of with absolutely no money, no talent, absolutely no experience and not a friken clue on how to make an mmo (they had to get a fan to make the original game launcher because the one they built didn't work half the time, that's just how cluless SV was when they started MO)  there should be no problem for a big company with competent programmers and money to pull it off.

 

not to mention DF has an aim based combat, FE also, now Tera, and other games as well.

 

 

it's definately possible, not easy or cheap, but definately possible. the problem is nobody want's to risk spending the money needed to make it a reality without knowing if it will sell. it is a big gamble since fps combat is quite new and not universally accepted in the mmo world as of yet.

 

 

Thats part of the issue many of us are having lol. It's a big gamble for other MMO's but not a TES MMO. TES fans would be expecting FPS style combat lol. Sadly they did end up taking a gamble by going with a more traditional MMO combat system and it's a gamble thats biting them in the arse atm. Who knows what people will think after launch, but right now it's one of the main complaints against the game.

But the way i see it, if you make it like WOW then when people get bore dof the new mmo because its got far less content then a 7 year old wow mmo then they go back to wow and quit for other games, at least if its unique and people like the combat they will always come back for more or not return to wow as the combat is better and more fun...

Im playing tera right now, im a lv 42 Lancer and the game is so god dam amazing, ive even stopped playing swtor for it. the combat is just so refreshing and keeps you on your toes, and even though the questing is basic and the same the whole way through its simple and fun and the epic envoriments and mob style makes it intresting and keeps you moving on for more.

MORTAL ONLINE     http://www.mortalonline.com/index.php

Is a 100% first person only MMO action combat game, its basically Elder scrolls online in a full sandbox world...

here is a duel i had with a friend, a bit dark as it was night but you will see sword and shield combat with no armour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdUpX4VJWCs

Erm the whole thread is talkign about the games fucking performance, did the OP break it to ? beta was from ages ago and the NDA has ended.... troll or fanboi ?

I have 12 gig ram, 6970 2 gig, quad core 3.2 phenom 2, SSD 128 gig ... 14 fps on low gfx or high in a field with 4 players near me... such a great great optimized game...

Yea yea with tons of skill and hard workd, but do not fear after 1.2 they will be so weak and worthless in pvp not even able to get off 1 heal before getting slaughter everyone will quit then go reroll a BH healer as they are already epic with their anti interupt and dmg reduction, heavy armour and knockback.......