All Posts by elvenangel

dude im 30...lol age is not an excuse...Open Beta, the Minature, The Head Start etc atleast to ME .. everyone's different.

The head start gives me nearly a week to enjoy the launch client before the game goes live...plus I get the Server and the Names I want.   ... Im a nerd I can't help myself...screw growing up...I Pay my bills on time I live on my own and I have a good job...so what if I still like RPG games rofl :)

Originally posted by Nooblord

I'd rather start playing a few days after release and buy the game with some real information than get scammed into paying for something promised and not delivered.

I never said this wasn't a viable choice...the Original post was in relation to the Collector's Edition.  Its NOT a viable choice if you want the Collector's Edition.    Plus by having the Pre Order for the Collector's Edition you get into Open Beta...if Open Beta Totally Sucks Wind you have plenty of time to Cancel Your Pre Order and You won't Lose a Dime.

Im in the closed beta so im More than happy with making the choice for pre ordering the CE...its living up to what I was expect.  This how ever doesn't mean it'll live up to what everyone else is expecting.   All I can say is.....that Mythic has not been leading anyone astray with what they've been telling us.  

Originally posted by kitsunegirl

I was wondering how they were going to handle "killing" the king. Thats a rather neat way of doing it. Much better than the "oh we killed the King" and there the king sits five minutes later as if nothing happened. Warhammer sounds less and less static.

Actually he reappears.  When he's initially beat for the first time during that Siege I'm guessing thats when he appears in your city (not all together sure about the appearing your city part but the other part IS fully explained on warhammer alliance.com by one of the Dev's in a forum thread)  Anyone and everyone can continuously try to beat him..Once you beat him you are locked out of the King Encounter Until the Next time your side takes that city.  They're going for the 'fair' everyone should get to do it route.  

They have it set up whre you can't beat him multiple times in a single siege but the whole Realm gets a try to kill him.  He's supposed to be crazy crazy crazy hard to beat.

I know some of you want the elite awsome status of being the only ones that round but...thats not what they're going for...it'd be impossible for everyone to get the chance if he was a one shot mob.   The WAR devs are pretty dead set on yes having things that definitly make you stand apart...like killing the king is a pretty big task but they don't want anyone left out from being able to try.    This theme is all through out the game with the PQ system where EVERYONE gets a shot at something nice, Keeps where Everyone can show up to defend or attack regardless of guilds,  The Capital Siege where anyone can show up and attack or defend regardless of status.    It carries right on into Dungeons even the King Encounter.

Only those that really work hard and have good plans will totally succeed at everything but everyone gets to try and hopefully through that everyone gets to improve their skills too.  I"m betting we'll see plenty of starter guilds simply in existance for 'teaching' or helping people build their skills up even EvE has guilds that do this. 

Originally posted by warror

Yes preorders are always a disaster. Just wait 15-20 days after the game is released and go buy it on the shelf. I say wait a few weeks because no mmo launches perfectly smooth these days so instead of buying early and being dissapointed just buy it alittle late and enjoy the improved version.

You might find a few left over CE's on the shelf but they won't be available like the Normal one...Plus Only thruogh Pre ordering the CE are you going to get into Open Beta (unless your a contest winner) plus it gets you on the Servers Playing several days to atleast a Week sooner than everyone else (if anything getting on the servers Pre Launch gaurentees you'll get the names you want if thats important too you, and it gets your guild started early so your already established).  That alone makes Pre Ordering an MMO game worth it...the CE for WAR just happens to have a load of cool stuff in it that makes it even MORE worth it than any previous CE I've ever gotten in the past.

If it wasn't for the Open Beta invite & the Head Start I could see the reason to wait till AFTER launch if you really hate playing a game at launch.  Personally as long as an MMO game works and I can play it...I'll over look minor bugs and glitches.  Its when dev's lie about the content or release utter trash like Vanguard that will turn me away.  WAR is in seriously good shape...im happy to have my pre order and deal witha broken quest or two if any are broken at launch.

If CE's weren't Limited in Quantity ... I could see your argument.  CE's generally appeal to people who are pretty dedicated to seeing the game through (unless the game ultimately fails).    I've been following WAR for a long long time..and now that I've gotten to experience Beta I'm really excited about making the Pre Order for my CE.    I don't expect the game launch to be perfect...I just expect that what they Promised us..is going to be there at launch.  

See I can't stand it when a company promises and promises and promises..then launch day hits and they're all like "OOPS we got your money we had to take those items out"   WAR devs have been up front about Telling us of all changes (to beta and non beta peeps) and flat out saying if we're going to remove something we'll tell you.    I'm sure that totally freaks out the PR Department but Mythic feels that killing their reputation by Lying (cough Funcom) is a far worse blow than telling the truth. 

If you want that CE warror  .. I wouldn't suggest waiting 10 to 20 days after launch...especially if the game is good because those things will be snacked up faster than you can say snuffaluffagus.

Originally posted by ASmith84

its a wow clone. the only difference is that is is more about pvp and the graphics are updated a tad. they added nothing new to the mmo genre. its still the same do a million quests to get to max lvl. then you have three choices, spend 4 hours in dungeons, pvp your heart out, or just mess with lower levels to make up for how much of your life you wasted on a computer game.

Since I know you haven't played it..and I have actually played it...well..People ASmith is a liar. :)Just because a game doesn't give you the hardcore or the openess or the sandbox tools doesn't make it a WoW clone.  

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You can order the CE or the Normal for the goodies you have to have the CE.

If you can find a best buy with the CE boxes I'd recommend there (doesn't recommend gamestop retail stores ever). 

Online wise Amazon is good they give you your codes in the my media / download's center immediately.   Gamestop emails your codes either immediately or within a few days (best to ask them).

EA store is also taking them they send you the codes through email probably on your reciept. 

I'm not sure about the other retailers.  All the pre order information is available on WarhammerOnline's official page for the Collector's Edition.

The beta code is for OPEN Beta...currently the game is in Closed Beta.    Open beta will be NDA Free but INVITATION ONLY and it is still a phase of Testing.

I came here ready to kick ass and take names...then i read the post...lol..ah...the trap...damn thee op your thread's name had me on the war path! lol

Originally posted by jusomdude

Who cares it's not a world and just a game. If people really want super immersion, they need to find something exciting to do in real life, like join the military, become an archeologist, etc... You should know/feel like you're playing a game. People already let games take over their lives... imagine what it would be like if games were real immersive.

I personally doubt there won't be long raid dungeons in the game, although I wouldn't care if they were left out... because then all the PvE lovers would quit, losing EA/Mythic a good chunk of change... and we all know EA is gonna be calling the shots, I'm guessing that's why they're already molding the game to cater to the masses.

It's going to be the smaller and/or indy companies that come out with new systems if anybody. Be prepared for much more of the same.

I'm a huge PvE'er (though I do love love love killing enemy factioned players lol) and I hate damn raids..god I hate PvE raids especially Progression system ones with a feirce passion.   There is none and never will be a set of PvE raid dungeons for Progression..they already stated the failures of Trials of Atlantis as the main reason that and it takes away from the RvR aspect...and might I remind you that RvR encompasses everything PvE & PvP...

The largest encounter in the game is the King and yes its 24 man but it is not a Progession PvE Raid...if you've sacked a city and you got 24 realm mates or guild mates hanging around you can run right in as many times as it takes for your group to beat the king.   

Hardcore Raiders may not be happy with it but we all know those people are a minority.

EA is not calling the shots maybe you aren't in the know but..they had a HUGE change of CEO...and the guy in charge wants keep Game companies like Mythic the way they are...unsullied...untouched..supported creatively...they no longer run under the destroy and assimilate tactics.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by elvenangel

 You just...well when you actually experience you'll understand what I'm trying to convey without breaking the NDA.

 

Lol, and I've been wondering why is elvenangel so conspiciously absent from these forums recently...

Envy.

Yea that ... and I did get a 7 day ban for something I didn't do lol..I'm still waiting for a response for that one.  (totally accepts warrented bans lol but didnt' do what she was accused of with the last one).

tho even with the lift of the ban...well its hard to post alot im scared to blab something thats nto been openly spoken about lol

There is no admision..they've been saying it all along they want this to be a fast furious addictive GAME.   When they say its not a world theyr'e saying don't expect SWG, UO, or EvE where the players are responsible for Everything.  Its WAR not Second Life essentially (Second life is a 'world' not a game). 

btw OP your completely off base on the Guild / Raiding focus...if you've actually been paying attention this is NOT what WAR is about at all..yes there are guilds..but its about Realm..and guilds have to actually work with their Realm for their realm to succeed.   Raids? PvE Raids psh do not exist in the WoW sense...there is no Raid Progression...Dungeons yes..but they're 6 man.  There is the King Encounter but its not a raid..just a large encounter and all you have to do is SHOW up and get in a group to go you dont have to spend your life to earn a key to get access.

About the only thing WAR / WoW have in common is being casual friendly, easy to jump into, and some basic soloable quests..thats Kinda it.   Not even their class systems are the same unless you just look at it from a verybasic level.

 WAR's going to be pretty awsome for those that have been paying attention...god its killing me not to yap Leucent is it killing you yet? lol 

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by gillvane1

Originally posted by Stellos

I think WAR will be great.  But I just can't bring myself to pre-order MMOs anymore.  Been screwed to many times.  You better believe I'll be playing the day it releases though:)

 

It's not just that the game might suck, but to bad you pre-ordered. It's that sometimes you don't get the stupid pre-order, meanwhile your friends are buying the game off the shelf.

If I remember right you receive "early access" codes as well from pre-ordfering (ala AoC).  This tells me that they may have servers up and running for virtual copies of the game instead of waiting around for the hard copy.

Yes if you pre ordered the CE you get early access meaning your on the live launch servers with a launch client a few days to a week before launch.   They stated this on Warhammer Alliance that you have so many days / weeks (no official time period has been postedd but i figure atleast a week) to update your account after the actual launch with the CD key from your actual Game CD before our account is temporarily suspended.  

What this means is if you pre order the Ce you get to play...but you do actually have to BUY the Ce...if your CD code when the box arrives is not the CE .. well your fubar'd..if you cancel your CE but still use the codes your Fubar'd if you want to keep going.  But you have atleast a week maybe 2 before you have to worry about where your order is.
 

Its not like Age of Conan's rip off tactics of additional 5 dollars for the 'chance'...its a gaurenteed deal and you dont pay extra.  Of course only 60k People in NA (different amounts for each region) will get to do this so they know exactly what to expect on pre launch.

For those afraid of their copy not arriving soon enough..just pay the extra cash for over night.

I've yet to find any lack of content in Beta....some stuff is turned off but they've been pretty open about that to even non beta testers for months.   They focus on specific areas so sometimes things are turned off. Like last round with the orcs & dwarves.  The focus'd on just orcs & dwarves so naturally 2/3rds of the content was turned off since you couldn't go to the other areas. (no this isn't nda breaking because its in the herald! psh!).

Since I can't go into details I will say this...WoW does have billions of quests...but .. how many of those quests are actual quality?  Not many infact most of their abundance of quests is to keep people running around in circles to try and slow down the end game grind for Gear since thats all you do at their end game is Gear grind.

As long as a game has enough quests to get me from A to B with maybe a few extras left over is good and just fine..but a game that has so many between A & B and you have TONS of extras is just over kill not to mention shows a huge lack of quality when atleast half those quests are all the same thing. 

Originally posted by gillvane1

 

That's very disappointing. I don't want to work together separately. I like grouping, and that's what makes MMORPGs fun for me. If grouping doesn't give you a huge advantage, it's not worth the trouble.

The reason I didn't like WoW and didn't play it, was the grouping game sucked pre-raiding. Basically, I don't play MMORPGs solo. I find completing quests solo to be utterly boring in an MMORPG.

I really liked DAoC for it's grouping game in PvE.

 

I didnt' say they were against grouping I siad they were against FORCED Grouping...being Encouraged to group & co op through PQ's is far better than having to slug out an hour or two of your time to find a group to play with.   Its the first time I've ever seen a game encourage you to group without making it mandatory...its a really nice feeling to be able to accomplish things without constantly LFGing but still getting to Play with others.  Its a far more socially conductive atmosphere instead of having to deal with X number of people who are unable to work as a team.  Instead I can run out and play with others and have a good time..and if I find some cool people in the process I can build a group while on the run.  

They really are practicing what they've been preaching in the videos about want you to be able to jump in and start right away...i say DOWn with the LFG feature and Up with the Co Op Feature.

IMO its the ultimate way to get to know your realm mates outside of your normal social / guild group and learn to work together without having 1 person constantly barking commands. 

The only mandatory activities where you actually have to be in a group is Scenarios,  Dungeons, the King Encounter, Lair's, & Rare Hidden Public Boss Mobs...to me .. thats pretty fair and expected.  Its nice though to have a reason to play with othesr outside of that without HAVING too all the time.  You just...well when you actually experience you'll understand what I'm trying to convey without breaking the NDA.

This is not a hard core game...its all about fast & fun.  If yuo love Eve & UO PvP (unless your flexible) you definitly won't like WAR RvR pvp...as for PvE I can't really comment that'd be breaking the NDA, lets just say they've stayed true to their grouping isn't a priority in PvE.   Their whole premise for PQ's was for people to work together without being forced into groups...that kinda goes for the whole PvE game except for dungeons where they already stated the most you'll need is 1 full group.

The biggest challenges will only come from RvR...there's no massive penalities for dying, you can't loot directly from people, you can't grief lower levels, etc etc.   Its a game meant to entertain not frustrate people.  They want there to be lots of constant PvPing...so you won't have the penalities of a hardcore game it defeats the purpose of the game being about a war going on.  

btw i dont think massive penalities brings together a community..it brings together guilds..not the community.  It never helped anyone in UO except guilds and the same goes for EvE.    Community to me is about the whole realm working together for  a common goal...kinda hard to work together if people are scared to go out and die in the name of their Realm.

The only people at Launch downloading the client are the Head Start People.  They've not formally said yes or no to future orders of the game being D2D...it wouldn't surprise me though I Mean even DAoC is pretty much download only these days.  But I'm betting for keeping the launch easier to control and smooth they'll only offer D2D post launch.  It'd minimize any problems people could encounter at launch time with trying to get the client and into the game on the first day.

I'm just kinda curious what rock you've been under OP...the announcement for the CE said there's only 60k CE's along with 60K codes (some gamestops fubar'd their codes by giving them out and not pre ordering the CE's but oh well).   Thats only for North America though.   Europe & Aussies got seperate amounts.   Most CE's are always limited..thats the whole point :)   

I got my CE right after the announcment from Amazon printed my codes *pets them lovingly* I look forward to it.  I mean the Ingame stuff alone is enough to make me happy to spend the money but the addition of the model, the comic, and just the awsomeness of the box...well thats like a total score bonus to me.   I really wouldn't consider them running out of CE's as a problem..but as a Serious awsomeness for WAR. 

I always have to chuckle when everyone assumes I'm angry at them...you know if you dont like what I have to say thats one thing but its another when you take offense to what I say and assume I'm being angry.  I don't Post all nice and pretty when I'm angry..infact my angry posts usually end up in 3 day bans or warnings or mod edits.   Since you don't see anything in there that'd cause one of those three or alot of CAP words..I'm not angry.  

I'm telling you the truth..I mean its common sense as well.  If you dont have that..thats your problem dude. I mean hell i never once saw a game play video of WoW or even EQ2..I had to play in the Beta's to see the game play of those.  Why SHOULD they put out gameplay video to a game thats not finished? Its like giving people unreal expectations.

btw Altairzq I think you'll be surprised at how wrong you are in the way your taking their statement.  Ever considered they aren't concentrating on making it a 'world' as in say an EQ2 type game or a UO game.  They are putting alot of lore things in the game, alot of things to make the game 'living' that is making it a world..just a game world...which you know thats what it is right?  Its a Game...Most people buy mmo's to play the 'game' .. there are some that like to 'live' in the game..and thats there perogative..but trying to sell that isn't and never has been..that easy.  I don't think WAR would work right as a sandbox game you could 'live' in.    But thats just my two cents.

We won't see a 3rd faction in the style of DAoC....I dont think it'd fit personally and the Dev's did say they DON"T want to compete with their own Game...by putting in a third faction it really would be DAoC 2.0 and thats not what they want.   Smart move in my opinion to not compete against yourself. Plus a third faction would kill end game..they want fast and fun...a third faction would seriously slow down if not obliterate the progress of the end game Sieges.

Originally posted by Majinash

The point is fans will jump at anything at this point.  1-2 screenshots and people will come here posting about it, and everyone will love that little bit.  maybe my standards are too high, but I don't normally get excited over a screenshot or two.  its partially because these forums are just filled with AOC threads, and people need to get excited about their game, so even the smallest thing does it for them now.   SO your complaint is with the fans of Warhammer and how excited they are with the game.....thats really not any of your business.  People will be excited over whatever they want.  The information they release is quality and not always easy to find..so why not constantly share it.  Its an  RVR / Community based game...the community is establishing itself pre release...thats kind of a good thing.

 

also that interview was nothing new, it was just another opportunity to get their name out to people who may not know.  to those who have been following the game thats simply a restatement of what they've been saying over and over. and too much of the footage was the Trailer, non-gameplay, which we've all seen plenty of times.    While I agree they don't show enough gameplay ever consider they aren't the first? Look at AoC they rarely EVER showed game play it was always a bunch of NPC's.  Also their gameplay is constantly changing because its in serious focus testing..seems pointless to make an awsome video focusing on the gameplay if that gameplay is going to change.  They like to give quality information thats atleast partially in some sort of mud like state instead of a watery state.

 

weekly gameplay footage.  It can't be that hard to put out a few 5min videos every week, just of some cool stuff beta testers are doing, or things they've just finished up.  the montly newsletter is nice and all, but I feel like I've seen more video of Aion and I'm not even following that game.     Read above..its pointless to put out a gameplay video every week to a game thats in constant flux while balancing / beta testing(something NO mmo to my memory has EVER done .. I don't Follow Aion and I don't see this plethora of videos being released..the only way you'd know this is if you FOLLOW Aion.   I do expect a ton of gameplay videos by players once Open Beta hits. 

Its obvious your not a WAR follower...as in someone following the news.   Yes they do rehash certain statements but you know hwat...they have to with such a fickle world of players.  Thats right..MMO players are Fickle fickle beings..we float along from new to new to new..occasionally planting our feet for a year or two but still floating along.  They release steady but worthy news every month.  

Infact they did put out a gameplay video of a city siege and IT didn't go so well..despite being told IN the video that all the players were instructed what to do and when so it was "cinematic like" people picked it apart anyway.

Your asking for something that actually takes time for them to edit...believe you me if a they put out a game play video it'll be picked to peices by the haters, the supposed know it alls, and everyone under the sun.   The graphics people would pick it apart for missing art work, the pvpers would pick it apart as being slow or too fast or too WoW or too this or not this.   The PvEers would simply pick apart the mob interactivity.   Obviously if the game was released or atleast no longer under the NDA these picks would be valid yes?  Well since the game is neither of these things and its unfinished..why spend development time to make a video weekly and burn development hours.  You know it IS an artist or a dev that would have to STOP what they're doing to make said video.  They dont have some video team that sits around making videos they actually stated this in a podcast a while back when they had to use NO special effects because the artists were busy.

I'd rather know their art & development departments are busy working on the game, giving it polish and fixes than poking their asses each week trying to decide what to show off.  A video is NEVER ever ever ever ever telling of an actual game.  If you want to know what a game is like you have to get your hands on it.  People who judge a game over videos anyway need their head checked.  Its a good tool to help but it shouldn't be the only way to look at a game. 

Originally posted by skeptical

I don't know why people are worried about beta codes for a beta that is months away. Every retailer handles the codes differently. Calling them every day will not get you a code any faster it will just waste alot of your time. If you don't have the code a couple weeks before the beta then you want to think about comtacting the retailer.

Because with Gamestop they are notorious at messing up...their retail stores (a few of them not all) gave out ALOT of the beta codes for basically free and didn't even make them pre order the CE (total mess up there hell the CE wasn't even announced yet when this happened Gamestop jumped the gun and has never once appologized)...there's only 60k CE's adn 60K codes...if you don't get your codes it means you you dont' get your crap.   Personally if I was the OP i'd cancel and get mine from Amazon (or from EAstore, or one of the other various retailers)  you get your codes immediately in your My Media / Download's section.