I could name couple VIP hacks and bots which are not in-program script based that have been around for quite sometime for SWTOR, but I'm not going to name them.  They cost a good amount of money and as far as I know, they are reguarly updated and were never patched by BIOWARE.  However, I'm not going to criticize BIOWARE, because other MMOs haven't really found a solution to these hacks and bots either, besides banning the bots they monitor for hours.  This being said, I am still somewhat dissappointed in BIOWARE and SWTOR not living up to hype, nor representative of genre defining games they have consistently released in the previous years.   

Originally posted by Malevil

Originally posted by Shroom_Mage

 

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Originally posted by Volkon

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Originally posted by kluu
people think its going to change the world in a big way.  i for one is doubting that.  i dont think its going to be as dynamic as people think it will be.  its gonna be quests with a little different feel to it.  If it were truly to change the world, the AI will take over

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That's just it... with a lot of event chains, if you leave them unattended the AI will indeed take over. Villages will be lost. Resources under enemy control. Bad guys running amok.
 
They aren't kidding with the changes being persistent and happening whether you're there or not.

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The truth is events won't really feel "world-changing" after the first few times. You aren't going to feel like stopping the centaurs every time they attack, so the "default" state of things might be overrun by monsters every time. Reclaiming it won't be a week-long battle but only a few minutes.

That won't matter though, because even in its most boring form, an event system is still better than a quest system. And fortunately, the events don't reset immediately, leaving you with plenty of time to feel accomplished if you do decide to clear them out.

I dont think that game will be 'overun by monsters' . Dont forget that most events scale, so even with few ppl lvling, they should be able to finish them .  If someone starts new alt and wants it lvl in PvE he realy has only 2 options - grind or doing DE. If ppl decide its better to grind than to do DE, game will be failure.

Seriously dude, wdf are you saying?  You're sounding like a troll who didn't even play the first game.  Do you not remember that in GW1, after you hit cap at lvl20, max stats on lvl20 items were all the same, with only varities in design?  Hell, if people felt the need to grind for sparkly lvl20 items from the underworld, then that's their problem.  I know alot of people who were just fine with plain looking equipment.

ArenaNet has said there will be more progression, but it won't be so much more than the first GW.  So by your definition of grinding or doing DE in GW2, I guess to you thought 2-3 days of casual 3-5 hours gametime either killings mobs or doing quests to reach level 20 in GW1 was an awful grind, huh?

If that's the case, you just don't belong playing any MMO no less any game with RPG elements, period.

Well it does have crap load of content...so for a f2p game, I think it's well worth the try or even playing for a while.

I mean, last I heard, the game has become a lot more noobie friendly, which is alo main reason hardcore players left, because L2 hasn't really been L2 since C5.

GW2. 

Although I love Bioware, I can't stand SWTOR.  My god does SWTOR look awful.  Terrible graphics one thing, but combat looks boring and isn't even fluid. 

Now if they made Mass Effect MMO with the same vast universe and storyline, I might reconsider a Bioware MMO.  Otherwise...meh SWTOR just looks terrrible and I just can't stand how bad that thing plays, whether or not it will have massive amounts of content spanning countless star systems.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by mugengaia

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Don't know what some of the above posters are looking at, but Diablo III is so much better than what I see in this video, it just does not compare. 

Blizzard rules in this part of the genre.

As in which ones Diablo 3 is better at?

At the moment, Diablo 3 has way more classes.  Yep, a definite plus.

Graphics??? LOL please, Diablo 3 graphics are pretty bland...but shiny like WoW, so it'll prolly appeal.

Skills?  LOL please, nothing new here, same ol lame ol skills, although mages get some nice laser beems they can rotate with the mouse, but in stand still position. 

Motion?  No contest, please.  Have you played beta?  Ranged classes are okay, I have no problem.  Try a monk.  When you switch targets, the attack motions cut off as you move, melee characters studder inbetween targets while attacking.  It's certaintly not a big deal, but it's also something you don't expect from Blizzard in this decade.  They would have to throw the current D3 in the bin and redevelop from scratch for core game mechanics, and I doubt that will ever happen with Activision watching over their asses.

There's no guarantee NCsoft will deliver something promising with great content, or as a matter of fact "quality" of content, since Hack & Slash games don't generally require a lot of content to succeed. 

In which case, Blizzard succeeded with Diablo 2, because of instance randomization.  <----- not quantity, quality, get it?

 

Look, be honest, there's some things Blizzard could have done better with D3 than just make it the same D2 with new skin on it.  I don't know if you're suppose look at their new in game RMT as innovative, but that's your opinion if you think so. 

Well come up with one decent game that NCSoft has made and you might have a point, but realistically, besides Guildwars, which was not done by the Korean studios,  they really have struck out time and time again.  We have not seen Guildwars II yet to make a judgement on it.   

With that kind of record, it is easy to see Blizzard owns them.

The point is the fact that current Diablo 3 isn't living up to the hype, but a rehash of D2 with a new skin.  As for NCsoft their track record sucks, so no contest. 

But the issue is that, Blizzard could have made Diablo 3 better with more care to the product than what it stands at right now.  They certaintly have the money to do it, that's not an issue, but they decided not to.  That's where my dissapointment lies, and probabaly the same for many. 

A game being less crappier than the other, doesn't make it GREAT.  Do you get my point?  If not, this discussion is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Don't know what some of the above posters are looking at, but Diablo III is so much better than what I see in this video, it just does not compare. 

Blizzard rules in this part of the genre.

As in which ones Diablo 3 is better at?

At the moment, Diablo 3 has way more classes.  Yep, a definite plus.

Graphics??? LOL please, Diablo 3 graphics are pretty bland...but shiny like WoW, so it'll prolly appeal.

Skills?  LOL please, nothing new here, same ol lame ol skills, although mages get some nice laser beems they can rotate with the mouse, but in stand still position. 

Motion?  No contest, please.  Have you played beta?  Ranged classes are okay, I have no problem.  Try a monk.  When you switch targets, the attack motions cut off as you move, melee characters studder inbetween targets while attacking.  It's certaintly not a big deal, but it's also something you don't expect from Blizzard in this decade.  They would have to throw the current D3 in the bin and redevelop from scratch for core game mechanics, and I doubt that will ever happen with Activision watching over their asses.

There's no guarantee NCsoft will deliver something promising with great content, or as a matter of fact "quality" of content, since Hack & Slash games don't generally require a lot of content to succeed. 

In which case, Blizzard succeeded with Diablo 2, because of instance randomization.  <----- not quantity, quality, get it?

Look, be honest, there's some things Blizzard could have done better with D3 than just make it the same D2 with new skin on it.  I don't know if you're suppose look at their new in game RMT as innovative, but that's your opinion if you think so. 

Originally posted by Senadina

I finally found something I don't like about GW2: skill acquisition. I don't want to have to solve a puzzle, or defeat a boss, to get skills that I feel should come by levelling. It seems like a needlessly complicated way to get skills. Can I please just buy them?

I don't know wdh you're talking about.  No, really.  If that doesn't suit your taste, you do not belong with this game. 

Put it simply, going higher-end skill hunting was the most innovative and interesting things to GW. 

Some higher-end skills were extremely rewarding when you unlocked them, because in part you knew that not everyone had it, and your build is not the same to everyone else.  But most importantly, some of the skills were quite difficult to acquire, and once acquired, extremely gratifying.

WoW hasn't been WoW since Activision became their big dog, neither does Diablo 3 seem like something Blizzard would have done before the merger. 

It comes as no surprise, but it's evident what kind of failing direction Blizzard is following similar to how Infinity Ward is ending up right now. 

Core top guys get fired/leave Infinity Ward under the direction of Activision, and you can't help but wonder if those guys were still there, would Infinity Ward have released MW3 as a recycled MW2 with the exact same 4.0 IW Engine, albeit little tweaks in details.

Several changes in how Blizzard is implementing new things, such as premium mounts, ingame RMT system for Diablo 3 seem to indicate declining "old" Blizzard mentality.

For one, I specifically remember Mike Morhaim stating he is completely against RMT, but seems to me he's making an exception for it with Diablo 3.  I don't know if Mike Morhaim has changed, or it's Activision putting pressure on Blizzard, but the direction Blizzard is taking in recent years, certaintly don't reflect the type of mentality they had in the 90s and early 2000s.

At this point, Diablo 3 doesn't seem like it will live up to the hype from how successful Diablo 2 was, WoW will slowly decline, maybe even decline faster than expected if Blizzard continues to neglect playerbase, and Titan, I doubt will be as big, or even come close to WoW in terms of subscriptions. 

Originally posted by zaxtor99

After Final Fantasy 14 Online, there is no reason to ever let SQUARE make another mmo. That game is such an epic failure it isn't even funny.

- Zaxx

It's funny to see people actually acknowledge how piece of turd game FF14 is.  When that crap went to OBT, I cried out rage and hatred at SquareEnix and claimed the game will fail, whether or not fanboys of FF11 believe SquareEnix needs more time to fix several? (more like infinite) bugs.  The game was utter failure, and the optimization for a game going into OBT was absolutely horrible. 

The game was also terribly laid out.  Half the time people didn't even bother to get into the various contents the game offers? (supposedly offered) because there's basically no roadmap for anything.  Not to mention the game was so stinking linear that unless you went and searched to do something yourself, which literally took a lifetime (exaggeration), you were lost for hours wondering wdf to do. 

Do I have to mention how there were 1 mob per several hundred people in the fields?  Redonkulous. 

SquareEnix just needs to forget about making MMOs altogether.  They suck, period.

Sega might pull something off with PSO2, but other than them, japanese companies just suck at making MMOs. 

Originally posted by Axehilt

Originally posted by Yuui

Mind you, as I said about this trailer on L2 forums of this very website, This seems to be a far more like a mmo than D3 is. Its more in line with Lineage 1 and if its more in line with Lineage 1 there's a great chance that they won't instance it as much as they do with other games of that nature.

Also let's not forget that LE focuses on massive siege warfare. This trailer was just showing off first 3 classes out of 5. There's whole other side than PVE that is still left unseen and we still did not have the announcement itself at G*Star (only press conference announcement), as we will most likely see a whole lot more this weekend :)

Unfortunately that sounds like there's also a great chance of ultra-grind ruining the fun before it begins.

...and the Diablo series wasn't a grind to lvl99?  Have you even played Diablo 1 and 2?  And by the way, the only reason Diablo 1 and 2 didn't seem like grinds were, because the mindless hack and slashing albeit random instances worked in the past.

There's no guarantee that the same formula will be as successful nowadays. 

You can clearly tell Lineage Eternal takes the same Diablo series' concept of mindless hack and slashing. 

The same forumla that's worked for Torchlight, Neverwinter series, and Diablo series.

Difference in Lineage Eternal and Diablo 3 is the truely MMO aspect of the too.  One is completely instance based outside of towns, and the other may be persistent, or partially instanced.

We'll have to see after release, but the only thing that would separate hack and slash games are the quality of contents, not even the quantity of content.

Every hack and slash is a grind, it's preference as to whether or not that gameplay fits your taste. 

Diablo 2 was a grind, at best it repetitive and tedious.  The only reason it was still fun to play wasn't because it was such a non-grind easy fed game like WoW, it just had mindless explosions of dozens of mobs on the screen with pretty lights everywhere, which were eye-candy, and the formula worked like butter in the past.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Quote : Here is what I feel is safe to say: Lord British’s Ultimate Role Playing Game, which may be called “Akalabeth” or may be called “New Britannia” or may be called “a name I cannot yet say as it describes the setting I am considering and think I should keep secret at least until I know if it’s likely true,” will be an Ultimate RPG. You will have customized Avatar homesteads and real roles to play in a deep, beautifully realized highly interactive virtual world. It will have virtues and the hero’s journey reflected back to the player. It will have the best of synchronous and asynchronous features in use. Fiction will support your arrival from earth into this new world. I even hope to make maps, coins and other trinkets available to players of the game.

 

https://www.facebook.com/notes/richard-garriott-de-cayeux/what-is-a-lord-british-ultimate-role-playing-game/259507887434380

 

 

Yeah, right. 

Who still believes this bum, after the trash he released in Tabula Rasa with all the funds he had, then goes on a space trip...LMFAO.

I sure as hell don't believe an ounce of anything this guy blurs out anymore.

Originally posted by fodell54

Originally posted by Michiel

Don't worry about being ganked anywhere but in the Abyss. People who come to the maps you're leveling in get a massive debuff. Even a level 20 will be able to kill a level 50 because of it.

I'm not saying this is BS because I havent played in about 1 1/2 months. But I can tell you when I was around 25-30ish ( I stop playing at around lvl 49) I was getting 3 shotted by lvl 55s in the lvl 30ish zones I was leveling in.So, unless NCsoft put that patch in i don't know.

Either way it really doesn't matter you just go back to your spawn point and keep playing. Nothing lost except for a little of your time.

 I'm sorry to tell you this, but you just proved you're full of shit. 

55s from other faction cannot rift into 30ish zones you speak of, LMFAO.

If you're gonna talk shit about the game because you don't like it, just be honest about your animosity for the game, and not make yourself look stupid in the process...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Haven't seen such a bad troll post in a long time.

Originally posted by expresso

Convert the number to a percentage and it's not a big deal - it's usual for any MMO at this time of the year to lose players.

Cataclsym easily sold over 5.5 million copies http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/10/first-month-wow-cataclysm-sales-hit-4-7-million/ (china not included) so WoW's traditional subscriber base (pay monthly) was easily 5 million within a month of cata's lunch.  300,000 is not a big deal. 

 

 And you guys know that they don't pay for expansions in asia?  expansions are free in Korea and China unlike EU/NA

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by wowlovr4life

Personally, I don't care one way or the other about World of Warcraft, but I'm not going to cling to the words of some hating report from "developer.com" (or whatever).

 

Warcraft is number 1. Has been, always will be.  They have survived all the "wow killers", they survived Lord of the Rings ripping off Lich King to make their Witch King,  and are still standing stronger than ever.

I was not aware that a character from a novel written in the 1950s was ripping off a game that was released in the 2000s.

Or were you not aware that the Witch King of Angmar was around long, LONG before Blizzard ever started ripping off Lord of the Rings?

Hint: Warcraft was originally very heavily influenced by Tolkien.

 

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

Originally posted by mmoguy43

lolicon? what kind of convention is that?

The best kind. 

LOL 

Sorry OP, I think you're delusional. 

How is SWTOR, litterally an exact same copy of WoW with different character skins and world environment skins something epic? 

I don't even understand how you come up with your delusional conclusion that SWTOR is an epic storm approaching. 

Furthermore, where do you get this assumption that, since it has the same hype following as WoW, it will be anything promissing with potential? 

If it is everything WoW is, and nothing it isn't (which it is), all it's going to do is take a good chunk of subscribers from WoW.  That is ALL.

Don't boldly assume majority of people have the same opinion as you do on WoW.  As for me personally, I quit the game because battlegrounds made me wonder what the merit was in doing it, and it killed World PvP.  Then every damn patch Blizzard implements it caters to impatient whiners who desire instant gratification.  I still have few friends playing WoW getting on and off every new update, but that's only because they have nothing better to get back to besides playing AOS like LOL or HON. 

And I don't know how many years you've played MMOs in your life, all WoW did was rip-off every successful bits of other MMOs and just made them better or similar. 

WoW certainly ripped off EQ, AC2, DAOC hardcore, minus the fact that blizzard failed miserably in trying to immitate DAOC RvR. 

SWTOR is just going to be another WoW with same mechanics and mythos of similar calibur.  If combat in SWTOR proves to be equal or on par with WoW, it will take a good chunk from the current WoW players, because they've been getting tired of WoW for a long ass time. 

If anything, SWTOR might become successful, but with nothing truely revolutionary, it will just even out the subs between WoW.  There's no way in hell it's going to have 11mil subs, nor is WoW going to be maintain similar numbers for long. 

would anyone mid just donating one key to me?  via PM or dhk092285@yahoo.com

Originally posted by zazz

Originally posted by Corrupted

After registering one of these keys, please repost the 2 keys that are given to you in your email so others may have a chance to receive! Thanks :)

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DFB678D1278A46CFB747

Thankyou Corrupted bud.

 

I have one key available now  E91C359A3D5D4B5C9FA5.

 

Thank Corrupt for it not me.

 

does copy and paste not work or something??? none of these keys seem to work...and I'm refreshing the page so constantly....wdf

Originally posted by Nipsygrrl

Thanks Corrupted one of them worked for me :)

Here's me paying it forward :P

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Be quick guys + girls xD

 

neither works...or click and paste simply doesn't work...

Originally posted by Corrupted

After registering one of these keys, please repost the 2 keys that are given to you in your email so others may have a chance to receive! Thanks :)

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eh too late...dun work...