Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by echolynfan

Originally posted by Thorbrand

I think the biggest issue with SWTOR is that for 200million dollars the game should have blown everyone away. With that kind of money even myself (With the resources) could have made a game to be top 5 all time MMOs.

Oh...and this too ^

What about this?

 

"With all of the same ole' fantasy crap being churned out - I'll be with SWTOR for the long haul. I LOVE this game and believe that Bioware will be adding tons of new content in the future."

Hey - I already said I was DEAD wrong about SWTOR and even aologized to the MMORPG community :)

I had no idea that Bioware with all the millions they poured into this game would release a pathetic piece of crap - so I'm not afraid to publicy change my opinion. I will be, however, MUCH more cautious from now on in my assessment of new MMO's and will let the honeymoon period end before getting too excited.

!st STO let me down and now my 2nd favorite SCI-FI IP let me down even harder - really sad

Originally posted by Thorbrand

I think the biggest issue with SWTOR is that for 200million dollars the game should have blown everyone away. With that kind of money even myself (With the resources) could have made a game to be top 5 all time MMOs.

Oh...and this too ^

Originally posted by Bluefear77

I’m curious about the motivation behind posting negative review after negative review. Why post it again and again?

I can understand if you don’t like a game, but why do you continue to post again and again that you don’t like the game?

I will give you an example: I didn’t like “Fallen Earth.” I have never gone on any Fallen Earth forum and bashed the game. Did the game have problems? Yes. Do I feel like it is ok for other people to like the game?  Yes. But I never felt like I had to go on the game's forum and attack the game.

So why do the same people on this site continue to post again and again how much they dislike/hate the game? Why do you feel it is necessary to act like that?

I’m curious. Thanks.

I do because I'm PISSED. I'm pissed that Bioware launched a shallow game and I want everyone to know I'm PISSEd about it.

It makes me feel bettter :) [Mod Edit]

Now on to the suckers on the other side of the world :)

Originally posted by DarkPony

Someone please, say something SANE!

*clutches head and stomps it on desk*

More than one way to "shoe" a horse?

Originally posted by odinsrath

i would just like to tell everyone that this thread is making me L O L irl starting with the title and now everyone talking about GW as if it was a great / tru mmorpg..ty for adding laughter to my morning coffey and muffin xD !!!!!1!!11!1

I find your lack of spelling disturbing

Originally posted by matraque

What would you like to see added next?

I personally would like to see them iterate on space.  SWG was a big pile of garbage, but space was really fun.

SWTOR  is a steaming pile next to SWG - post NGE even and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath (or text!)

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
... And yeah I know that you have to do the main game in PvE mainly first, which is fine by me. I loved Warhammer Online PvP, and Im bored to death with WoW's PvP. Is it worth playing SW:TOR for the PvP part of the game?

If you're bored with Wow's PVP you'll be comatose in SWTOR.

Originally posted by Leucent

After playing literally every MMO to come out in the last 5-6 years, I can t find anything as good as EQ2 with or without SC. I personally don t mid the SC, and buy here and there. I miss games like FFXI and DAOC, but everytime I go back to them, I play a month maybe 2 before realizing it will never be the same. That said I m so much enjoying EQ2 now that my wife and I paid for a year sub. With the 500 SC I get each month I m hoping I can save some for Planetside2 release and spend some there.

Only game other then EQ2 and PS2 I m going to buy is GW2 and Diablo3, but those I can play along these 2. I ve really tried to find "the game" but I can t, and EQ2 offers everything I like in a MMO, and more.

My feelings exactly and after the HUGE SWTOR disappointment I went back to EQ2 after a 3 year hiatus playing other games. EQ2 has aged very well and offers so much more than just about every MMO on the market - including Wow and has the best community hands down.

One of my favorite things in game is the housing and I really like the new Prestige Houses available through the SC. I just bought the new Storm Isle which is your own private Island with Evil Tower which can be decorated inside and out (800 items!)

It's nice to take a break from the combat aspect of the game and do that...check out other people's houses and there's even a house rating/award system where everyone can rate your house.

Storm Isle Video Tour

I do recommend going with the Gold Account which gives you full access to the game and is the standard $14.95 per month and includes 500 Station Points to spend each month.

I too will be poking around GW2 and perhaps Archeage but will keep EQ2 as my home MMO. The only really decent MMO's left are the old ones..sad but true.

SWTOR was the last game I'm ever pre-ordering and with EA backing {mod edit}  I'm sure it'll be another disappointment. How can a company go out and produce another MMO when they haven't even fixed AOC yet?

EA = Take the money and run. I equate them with a cheasy used car dealer trying to sell someone a Yugo as an awesome new sports car.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by artemisentr4

Originally posted by eddieg50

The first mmo i ever played was Ever quest, I thought it was an interesting and fascinating idea and looked like alot of fun but I could not really play it on my Pentium pro, I than tried UO and could not fall in love with its top down, skills progression system, then came Shadowbane, no quests (which took me time to get used to) but a great grouping game with incredible suspense, you could even build your own city, The bugs though were freaky-you could shoot at people half a world away and hit them LOL and the game much to my regret faded into oblivion.

     I started playing vanilla wow and enjoyed its quests and challenging combat, it was the perfect game for a casual semi hc player like myself, but i could not stick with it as it lacked the suspense of Shadowbane, I then Beta tested Vanguard and thought "what a charming game but you need a monster computer to run it, we told dev to make sure they optimized it but alas they did not and lost most of their pop and the game has not recovered.

     I played other mmo's Eve, Eq2, lotro (it almost had me hooked with its beautiful graphics and sound and great story line) Fe, darkfall, etc and then I  met AOC and it enthralled me with its neat combo system of combat and it super graphics combined with its great story, cut scenes and voice overs. Then I left Tortage and it was like someone kicked me in the stomach, no more voice overs,cut scenes I also realized that if you chose a melee character you would be seriously compromised in PvP, they had huge walls of text to make up for the lack of vo , who wanted to read that!!! and if you did stop to read you could be attacked by other players-no thanks.

     Swtor than came into my life, like a sweet breeze blowing through your hair on a hot day, It was filled with great star wars story , cut scenes, voice overs , a similar but better combat system than Wow.  This game brought Suspense back to me, there was political intrigue, betrayal,friendships made and broken.  I found myself grouping and i rarely group in games and darn I WAS ENJOYING IT. Social points how cool was that.  The first time I played Kotar I felt the same way, I was home and they say you can never go home again-not true. Another poster commented that it is not necessarily all the features in a game that make it fun , but it is that one or two or three features that you can grab onto that lead the way.

     The last couple of weeks I have tried other Mmo's and it was not the same , the wall of text was a wall to continuation for me, the combat blah, the story non existent (except in lotro) where are the vo/cut scenes that bring my game to life and provide me with immersion so I feel like I am in the game, where is the intrigue, the fun and funny companions, the story, story , story, where is it? No where my friend and that is why SWTOR has ruined me for other MMO's. Yes for the first time in my life I am not playing an mmo for one or two months and than switching to another.  There is no place like Home.

     

Nice to see a positive post in the hurricane of hatred.

 

I am in the same camp as you. I have 8 characters and only one at 50. I love the fact that each class has a very different feel when it comes to the story. Even if a lot of the open world questing is the same, it feels so different to me because of my mind set based on the story of my class. No other MMO has made me care about my class and story like TOR. I just can't get enough and am hooked for a long time.

 

Thanks for the post OP. I am trying to stay far away from places like this because of the discusting posts after a games launch. But I do look for info from time to time. Glad I saw this. Didn't even bother to read any of the garbage I know fills the rest of this thread.

   Art; you, me and the people who love SWTOR understand that a good story along with vo and cs are what make it fun and immersive and interesting, the others dont get it, or they dont read ,or dont love movies, and certainly that is ok for them but why do they have to post time and again about there SWTOR hatred?

Oh we get it...we bought it...we played it..and now we're pissed because it SUCKS

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by echolynfan

Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.

I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.

Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.

Wow, can't say I'm surprised some are changing their tune but a bit surprised how severe your opinion changed. Really does say something considering how much of an avid supporter of this game you were.

Can't say my opinion has changed yet. Although I never thought this game was anything special or great to begin with. About the only thing that has changed for me is how amazed I am at how badly they have managed server populations and due to how low some are in people it just highlights how awful their lfg mechanics are.

No one was more surprised than me - when I got to end game and found out there was none I was pissed because I didn't listen to people here (probably because I didn't want to believe it)

If you like to do dungeons and raids as nauseum (and I hate them) and especially like them bugged and broken - then SWTOR might be for you. PVP is just a pathestic joke - and not because of the lack of WZ's or world PVP (because that can be added later) but the dev team really doesn't understand PVP...plain and simple.

There needs to be other things to do in an MMO than raid and PVP anyway. Crafting is a horrid joke and is useless at level cap which leaves the Space game which still has me laughing.

Biofail has created an MMO hoax in SWTOR - sold it as such and gave us a single player game with grouping and a sub cost.

Disappointed and pissed just doesn't cover it for me. SWG had more to do at launch than SWTOR so don't give me that crap about giving them more time...that won't fix the problem. The design of SWTOR and the dev team ARE the problems and unless those are changed SWTOR will die a slow painful death.

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Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by ZizouX

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Seriously if i want a good story in my game i'll play a single player game..thats the purpose they serve.

A game can serve any purpose it wants.  To say MMO's shouldn't focus on story is a sad testament to the current state of the genre.

 

I love SWTOR for the same reasons expressed by people on this thread.  I don't think I can ever go to a game with pages and pages of text.  People won't realize how great SWTOR is in terms of story and content until they have something to compare it to.

 

Unless other mmo's offer VO, at least for the main story and some important side story chains... a lot of people will complain.  I really feel SWTOR has created a point of no return, most new mmo's will likely have some form of voice over or else people will call it a "step back" in the genre.

The real sad things though is that all of you who like the game Lack any Sence of vision.. or want anny type of Innovation. You are happy just to have VOs.. and linear progression that is all that is needed for you to fork up money..

For alot of us this isent Enough.. we want other things then VOs and boring kills quest, running RAids over and over.. And if you like Riads, doing quest and levling, Guess what you can do it for free.. or for a one time Fee like GW2. Its lucky for Bioware that there are people like you, makes their jobb easy, they just have to copy paste and they are done.

But dont expect the rest of us to respect anyone of you for playing this game. We dont.. you know all those old cartoons when someone gets played or are made out to be a fool.. They get a lollipop over their head "SUCKER" that is how the reast of us see when we read your posts.. And if you like to be the laughing stock of the Internet.. Go right ahead...

  Zlayer you make some good points of course than you ruin it by insulting your readers.  Innovation is important and I do expect bioware to continue to improve things like the Space game and if they dont then I will be dissapointed.   Many of us are somewhat dissapointed in MMO's because they lack the fun factor and story line, SWTOR puts the fun factor back into the game .  To many of us the mmo treadmill is not where its at, we want a great story with cut scenes and voice overs and we want that in a massive scale

Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.

I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.

Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Zlayer77

 

 

 

 

 

Im the one who would make you cry and Unnistall SWTOR.. if the game let me Take your stuff and delevel you to 0.. Sadly its gamemechanis dont let me :( .. I would have bougt and installed the game long ago if it let me Mess with other playes and ruin their FUN time in the game... Now I can only  point out how medicore the game is..

You dont undestand how frustrating it is to know all you litte carebares are safe and sound In SWTOR.. and there is no way for me to get to you or make you send me hate mail, crying I destroyed your play time ingame...

No game company will waste their time and resources to make the type of game you want. Sorry, but no investor is that stupid.  

LOL - they already did - it's called Darkfall Online - custom made for all of those little basement dwelling, family murdering...running over the live buried cat with a lawnmower players :)

Originally posted by Autorock

I'd say he is representing it accurately. The doom and gloom is misrepresenting, the people saying it's worse than wow are misrepresenting the game. It's a solid game, this site just breeds contempt towards anything, people have nothing better to do than bash every game that gets released. Most of the people enjoying a game are too busy enjoying it to bother posting on here. But the sandwich boarders flock shortly after every release trying to convince people not to buy a certain release for no apparent reason other than the fact they have absolutely nothing to do.

[mod edit] And speaking of accuracy - opinions are alot of things but most of the time they're not accurate and especially not the Op's.

SWTOR sucked me in and I was a big fanboi here on the forums (just ask anyone) and when I hit 50 it was like reaching for that delicious glass of coke I had poured 4 hours ago and getting a swig of FLAT.

Anyone hanging around after 50 is either an altaholic or very easily enterained. This is my opinion which is shared by many many people which all have lots to do but feel it their duty to warn future SWTOR customers before they buy a big shiny turd like we did.

At least I didn't buy the CE :)

Originally posted by Badgered86

Originally posted by echolynfan

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by marinrider

What you just said does not give me any idication that it is a "real fantasy world" it only tells me that its visuals are Aion 2.0.  What about the WORLD itself? Does it feel like a world or does it feel like a hallway?

Rather hard to say yet, the game have just been up for a day.

I can say a little about the starting area though (I played 10 levels). It is pretty basic and about the same quality story wise as the staring isle in EQ2.

It is really beutifully designed with ruins, flowers and butterflies but the story is not amazing or anything. Quests are usually short and easy, I was close to dying once but beside that I have not gotten below 50% so it is rather easy in the beginning at least.

The negative thing I can say about the first 10 levels is that I feel that the quests could be a bit larger, they have been short and simple so far.

But I have played maybe 8 hours and only seen the starting zone so I am not sure if that is just too learn the ropes or not.

The combat is not that complicated but it still feels rather fresh to me unlike Rift.

But the "armors" in the game is really silly, who ever heard of a chainmail that doesn´t even cover the panties? The weapons are manga oversized in a way Final fantasy fans should like.

But it have actually been pretty fun so far. :)

As I said, the armors don´t look like they protect anything...

And why would we want the panties covered up? :)

Because women aren't objects that exist purely for your sexual pleasures and/or fantasies.  The skimpy armor for females in most fantasy games is insulting to anyone (male or female) with a modicum of decency.  Not because nudity or sex is bad, but because most of the time its only done to female characters which shows the mysoginy and sexism embedded in the game and the culture of the developers in general.

Until my penis is hanging out of my half-trousers or women actually get sensible armor there will be no justice.

I'm sorry...didn't get the memo on that and anyone offended by females wearing skimpy armor is either a feminazi or a male not wired correctly :)

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by marinrider

What you just said does not give me any idication that it is a "real fantasy world" it only tells me that its visuals are Aion 2.0.  What about the WORLD itself? Does it feel like a world or does it feel like a hallway?

Rather hard to say yet, the game have just been up for a day.

I can say a little about the starting area though (I played 10 levels). It is pretty basic and about the same quality story wise as the staring isle in EQ2.

It is really beutifully designed with ruins, flowers and butterflies but the story is not amazing or anything. Quests are usually short and easy, I was close to dying once but beside that I have not gotten below 50% so it is rather easy in the beginning at least.

The negative thing I can say about the first 10 levels is that I feel that the quests could be a bit larger, they have been short and simple so far.

But I have played maybe 8 hours and only seen the starting zone so I am not sure if that is just too learn the ropes or not.

The combat is not that complicated but it still feels rather fresh to me unlike Rift.

But the "armors" in the game is really silly, who ever heard of a chainmail that doesn´t even cover the panties? The weapons are manga oversized in a way Final fantasy fans should like.

But it have actually been pretty fun so far. :)

As I said, the armors don´t look like they protect anything...

And why would we want the panties covered up? :)

Originally posted by Jimmac

Vets should be smart enough to know not to pay a company for content and patches and fixes that may come out in the future. Any consumer with common sense would know this. Keeping a sub to SWTOR if you know it sucks now but because you think they may fix the game in the future just shows that your money is easily parted from you and that you are a ______.

This ^

Originally posted by Hypodermica

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.  ~John Locke

 

I played SW:TOR in Beta and after release.  I'm going through financial struggles and was left with no choice but to sell my gaming rig to a good friend for cash.  That is the only reason I quit this game.

For the first time in my long MMORPG career (I'm 32 years old), for once I truly enjoyed the story-telling.  I did enjoy some quests in other games, when I had the patience to sit around and read the text.  But really? In this day and age (Can you even believe it's 2012??!) who wants to read text?  Who wants to read text when you have thousands of quests?  Not many are even written well, let alone worth the no-action/boring downtime it takes to wade through the B.S. 

I don't consider BioWare's approach to story telling a "feature" of this game.  I consider it the main attraction.  The big deal.  The center piece.  Never have I been so involved in my characters story.  His relationships.  Never have I been so immersed into what is going on.  Never have I enjoyed solo play as much as I enjoy team play. 

I could go on and on.  Believe me, I won't say anything you haven't heard.  Yes, it's shares some stricking resembelence to other games, which is true for nearly EVERY game.  Yes, it has a few bugs.  Yes, it's lacking in end-game content but I only agree with that if you are the kind of player who hates to make alts and re-live a whole new story.

But what I really want to get out here are some cold hard and undeniable facts regarding words vs. actions.

I know that MMORPG has a "thing" where you like to love the underdog, the indie developer, the non-themepark open world, different, unique, bring something new to the table kind of game.  I know you love your guild wars.  But, you're words do not match your actions. 

You have voted ST:TOR down into 26th place.  OFC Guild Wars II gets #1 but you actually think that SW:TOR is not as good as the following games:

Vanguard (Really? I played it.  It's horrible. I had high hopes too, but cmon. Dead horse)

Everquest II (8 Years old, nearly dead)

Dark Ages of Camelot (11 years old, nearly dead)

Anarchy Online (11 years old, you almost can't give this game away for free..which is what they do now)

Ryzom (Really? Seriously? The worst MMO I've ever played.  I don't care if t's free and some french guys hobby)

 

Yet, with all of your lopsided and honestly, ignorant voting capabilities, you LOVE SW:TOR when it comes to your actions:

In the last 6 months you have created 2.27million hits on the SW:TOR page.

That's twice as many hits as the GW2 page.

That's more than both GW2 and Darkfall COMBINED.

Not only do your actions not match your B.S. voting, but you are consistently in love with clicking on SW:TOR.  Even in the last month you are loving you some SW:TOR twice as much as GW2 and again, you read up on ST:TOR more than both GW2 and Darkfall COMBINED.

 

Apparently, whether you love or hate SW:TOR, it's definately an obsession.. either way ;)

 

 

And then you hit 50 and unsub - obession taken care of :)

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by Cpt_Picard

I'm not going to read the thread... But if someone can tell me of a game with a deeper questing experience than swotor I will poop my pants. 

You will be doing a lot of pooping by the end of this year and next year lol.

Yeah...why wait....get started now and beat the flood of mud :)