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Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by echolynfan

My question to you Op is: Why do you feel your opinion outweigh's both the MMORPG editors and a large majority of players?

Whether or not the game is to your liking has no bearing on how good a game is. It just so happens that a majority of people DO like the game despite your opinion.


Where does the OP state that their opinion outweights anyone else's, including the editors, a majority of players, or anyone else for that matter?

They are voicing an opinion and quite clearly speaking for themselves in their posts. At no point are they saying anything to indicate that they think others should agree with them, or that their opinion carries more weight.

They concede that perhaps they didn't get far enough into the game, and ask people to give info one what they might be missing out on. They show particular interest in the crafting system.

Like someone else I addressed earlier in the thread, you do the game, nor the community no good by attacking people whose posts you clearly didn't read very closely. You do no better by projecting some "agenda" on to them for which there is clearly no evidence.

It would do ARR, and this community, a great deal of good if people would stop being so thin-skinned about the game, stop attacking anyone who voices a negative opinion and, more importantly, actually read and respond to what is actually said, rather than attacking the poster for things that weren't.

I don't think you people appreciate how badly posts like yours, and others, reflect on this game/community. People can spot someone who's cleary a troll, just out to bash/attack something they don't like. They can be dismissed as such without it even being pointed out. But when people who are apparently fans of the game are attacking anyone with a negative opinion, even when no trolling is present, nor even "evident" (such as the OP), that impression sticks. It makes the community of fans seem very intolerant, overly-defensive and rather hostile.


In the title of the post - it's basically saying: "I don't like the game - how can it be rated this high?"

Don't be so thin-skinned and hostile about fans being thin-skinned and hostile :)

My question to you Op is: Why do you feel your opinion outweigh's both the MMORPG editors and a large majority of players?

Whether or not the game is to your liking has no bearing on how good a game is. It just so happens that a majority of people DO like the game despite your opinion.

I also read many posts about FF ARR not bringing anything "new" to the genre - like this is a prerequisite for a game to be excellent and fun? Wow never brought anything new to the genre - they stole ideas from multiple games and perhaps improved upon those ideas...but they weren't "new".


Originally posted by AIMonster

Play EQ2 (with free new Heroic characters come October 1st you can jump right into endgame and skip most of the boring solo content), Rift, WoW, even AoC, TSW, or SWTOR all games that I personally feel have better and certainly more content than FFXIV.  Definitely not something you'll likely burn through in a month (with maybe the exception of TSW if you play through it quickly).  Wait for Wildstar to come out and hope that succeeds in holding your interest.  If you aren't interested in playing those games there are always plenty of single or smaller multiplayer games to play.

I wouldn't count on new patches in FFXIV to provide a lot of content.  Probably a new dungeon or so that will still require you to farm other dungeons over and over till you can even attempt it (or require you to farm it to attempt another dungeon).  SE's rate of new content in patches is no where near the level of say Arenanet's with Guild Wars 2.  Considering the state of the game now I wouldn't expect housing to be stellar either, especially considering it can't possibly compete with games who devoted more than a "patch" to housing like Rift and EQ2.

I'm amazed at how much you know about FF ARR - especially the part how you know how much content SE releases in patches...considering that this NEW dev team hasn't released one yet. Housing hasn't been released yet and you "wouldn't expect it to be stellar either".

Just amazing.

Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Grailer

Unfortunately the dungeons were tier T1 and T2  ,  so it was 5 dungeons I guess .

I wish they considered a similar idea with this game because I really enjoyed running some of the dungeons in FF14  , it would be nice to get a harder mode that had a few extra bosses and harder mechanics .

Did the Devs actually consider that people would get to 50 so fast and become totally bored brain dead of running 1 dungeon 50+ times ?

Did they even want people to sub after the month ?  Im assuming almost everyone has lvl 50 by now .  I guess the real casual players would be reaching 50 soon too .

2 hard modes are already coming in 2.1 (along with a new dungeon).

The game has no recycled dungeons but actual unique dungeons. You simply need to pick your poison because I'm sure there was no bitching about recycled dungeons at lvl50 in Rift ever.

We have also hard data showing that only 15% of the playerbase has hit lvl50 since about a week. Most people have reached somewhere around mid 20's to low 30's.

If only 15-20% of the playerbase has hit L50 so far, then things are not as bad as one would believe if you only ever read these forums.


I'd almost be inclined to mutter about 'the usual suspects', as there always seems to be this crowd who are not here to play the actual MMORPG's, they're just here to 'beat the game' in the shortest possible time after launch, then move on. If that means they can do it in a sub-based game before the sub kicks in, they get bonus points or something...

I know you were kind of joking with this comment but I believe it to be true...

Looks awesome! Hope there will be lots of stuff to load up your house with :)

The exterior customization is a welcome surprise and the interiors look very similar to EQ2's - here's hoping the decorating is as easy.

Back to the grind....needs to make mucho gil!


[mod edit]

Based on the number of hours I've played and I have "most" of the crafting classes at already have a job and it's called "Crafting in FF ARR" lol

Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by amber-r

Also do people really believe they will put out a DX11 patch?  I can't see that happening.

Do I have a reason not to believe? So far everything they've promised has happened. They are not a small devhouse that goes under if investors get stingy.

Tanaka-san:Up until now the problem has been that the graphics parts of it have been published in DirectX 8 but now that we’ve been able to upgrade it to DirectX 9, which is what we are doing right now, this will become available for all of the cards. We hope to have it in by the release of Wings of the Goddess. We think it will be ready.

This was promised in 2007 for ffxi, guess when they added it?  Never.  They promised a DX upgrade and never added it, sound familiar?

I actually played ffxi and waited for this, I remember the anger when they failed to deliver it.

Here is a link to the latest expansion pack that came out in 2013 for ffxi on the official store, scroll down to specs if you want to see that they never did what they said they would with DX upgrade.


OS: Windows Vista, 7, 8
Processor: Pentium®III 800Mhz or faster processor
Memory: 128 MB
Graphics: GeForce™ series with 32 MB or RADEON™ 9000 series
DirectX®: DirectX® 8.1 or higher
Hard Drive: 13 GB of free space or more
Sound: DirectX® 8.1 or higher
Internet Connection: 56k or faster

Uhh, talking about FFXIV:A Realm Reborn here but oookaaay...


Company promises DX upgrade and more features on a FF MMO and never adds it, they simply state it was too expensive and never mentions it again.

Same company promises a DX upgrade on a new FF MMO and you don't see how what they did in the past is relevent?

Whole new Dev team - there's a reason the other team was FIRED. DX11 would be nice but I think that's a bit nitpicking don't ya think?

Originally posted by tommygunzII
Originally posted by Bluewhitehell
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
I'm writing this as I wait in a queue to log into FF14.


Queue was gone around 1 week ago, so population certainly dropped.

Just that there were some new players came in recently after digital sale restart, so log in queue was back again.

We should wait until Nov, that's about time when everyone's free month expires and done with story.


I still get queued logging into my server at primetime.

I'm in a queue right now while reading this....

Originally posted by Byrhofen

Longevity a 10?

Take one combat based job to 50, then see how many quest's you have left to level a second combat based job, then, once you have finished grinding fates over and over again, see how much you really feel like levelling a third combat job, never mind all of them.

Even if you pay the sub fee that allows 8 character slots, knowing what grind lays ahead will put many people off making alts.

I figured it wouldn't take many posts until someone had a "cow" over the Longevity score hehe. Every one of these people do NOT mention it doesn't exist. There are a LOT of crafters that will have tons to do in preparation for the next patch. The overall score is accurate.

Originally posted by Foomerang


Originally posted by f0dell54

Originally posted by Foomerang Sorry to hear that. My experience so far has been different.


Maybe you talked to a few more people but the games mechanics are still same. You can't deny it with a simple one liner. You should have just said it's not the games fault it's yours. Which again is bullshit.


I roleplay and craft.


Foom and I are on the same page with this game and what I've been finding out from asking people who don't like the game is that they don't CRAFT or participate in anything other than combat. I have no problem with that but the game is heavy on the crafting side and is ripe for role playing.

I DO have a problem with people mis-representing the game or making uninformed comments about the game based on what they HEARD.

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by evilastro

So everyone that dislikes this game actually hates MMORPGs? What a dumb statement. Is that how you justify criticism to this game?


What games do I love? At the moment EQ2, GW2 and TSW for various reasons. Each of them more interesting than FFXIV. They each have their faults, but they all have that essence and character to them which makes them great games. 


I hear good things about the crafting in FFXIV, but crafting isn't really my thing. Also I never needed anything crafted, so I'm not sure what the incentive is to play that portion of the game. 


The combat however was bland and uninspired. I got to 50 because everyone said that there was a magical change where combat became interesting, but it never happened.  The quests were so generic and boring that I couldn't get through the dialogue / cut scenes fast enough.  I can't even remember the last MMO where I was so bored reading quest text as I was in FFXIV.


The graphics and world were great. I will grant it that. But the rest of the game? Completely forgettable.


I don't mind grinding, I don't mind quests, I don't mind grouping for instances and I don't mind gear tiers. What I can't tolerate is bad combat. So there you have it, that's why I can't play this generic MMO in FF skin.

The fact that I can tolerate TSW combat, but not FFXIV's pretty much says it all.

Perfectly said.


Crafting IMO is the best part of FF ARR and the main reason I'm playing. It was the same for me in SWG - I hardly participated in the combat except for JTL and spent 99.9% of my time as a much sought after trader. Therefore - crafting is MY number one priority when playing an MMO and while FF ARR doesn't compare to SWG's crafting - it's pretty close.

That said - I've been having a lot of fun with the combat portion of the game and if SE does indeed add the content they're talking about adding in a timely manner - you'll see this game REALLY take off. Frankly - there are few games out there that even approach the quality of FF ARR in terms of performance besides Wow - it works VERY well even on lower end systems.

Originally posted by Jackdog
Just another follow the breadcrumb to max lvl, roll an alt and follow same breadcrumbs to max lvl MMO. Stand in one spot and spam skills til either you or mob is dead combat. Rinse and repeat until you either go back to your previous game or some new release catches your attention.  Not for me thanks

And what are you playing right now?

Originally posted by amber-r

Wow has better endgame, tera has better combat, gw2 has better leveling, ffxi is a better ff mmo and has a better community, all of them are better than this flash in the pan.

Many of us can see through the sheen and see this game for what it really is, a poorly done and very rushed wow clone.  The player loss is going to be horrible in months to come.

I'm assuming you don't like to craft...housing or other non-combat activities?

Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie

I agree with you, I just don't think that any game is worth a sub and if any game is worth it, it has to be massive.

I just think there are better options.

And just WHAT are those options? I keep asking people that who post that they don't like FF ARR I get no response. I'm just really curious to see which games these people feel are better and why.

They exist in their mind, where everything is possible and where all the devs just don't get it.

I hope they like not playing in their own little Neverland.

I figured as much - I know many are placing a LOT of hope in EQN but seem to forget that it's SOE developing it :)

Originally posted by FlawSGI
Originally posted by nttajira

This game one of the best , if not , the best mmorpg to come out for many years

Yet , some people bash the game for everything [mod edit] I just bash it for everything I feel it fell short on while I can still applaud SE for the things they got right.

They need to kill mobs = they dislike it , they need to grind item = they dislike it The game is verry corridored and I don't feel it is that they have to grind mobs, but the way they fedex you around to kill these mobs that are allocated throughout the very small zones in comparison to other games where the creatures feel more spaced out and alive. Hell even WoW did a better job of this than FFXIV. I played FFXI and that games system was based around grouping and doing nothing but killing mobs and I never had a problem with it because of the games presentation and group play mechanics.

They need do quest = they don't want to read , they need to find another player for instance = they dislike it Can you really not relate to some of the complaints about the questing or are you really that dense? While I don't personally have a problem with themeparks or their quests in lieu of mob grind, FFXIV did a pretty bad job of making the world feel cluttered and some of the quests are redundant when they send you back and forth so often in the small spaces they constitute as zones. I have seen some complaints about not having full VO and I do think that is silly but to each his own, I have no problem reading.

They need grind stuft higher level = they hate it , I personally do not mind putting in the work to get stuff at higher levels. That being said, the ride to the top was very short and linear so I can understand the complaints that you get there so quickly only to find that you are forced to either dungeon/raid grind or play an alternate class. I love the job system but I can understand why some feel the games content is very lacking. I chose not to sub because of this.

They listen to the music = they even dislike it , This is personal taste so I am not sure what this has to do with playing an MMO. Your points are getting pretty thin.

Why they play mmorpg ? Maybe you don't like the genre ? I do not like the game but I love the genre. The group play is ok, but not great and that's what really draws me into the world. There is nothing in the way of exploration nor does the world feel alive. I occasionally get the exploration in other genres, but that does not come with group play. SO far only in MMO's have I been able to get both so I'll stick with them TY.


If you don't like this game , can you please tell me a game you ''LOVE'' ?  I loved the little bit I played of EQ. I loved FFXI and played it for 3 solid years before my wife talked me into investing my limited time into WoW which I also loved and played for 5 years. I have tried and enjoyed many of MMO's since leaving WoW, but none have been able to hold my attention so I won't mention them all but believe me the list has become long. I have played GW2 for a year and still play occasionally.

because some time im reading what people say and im like ''WTF'' what wrong with you ??? go play a damn shooter game you clearly dont like mmorpg !!! So if peoples opinions don't mirror your own then it must be them right?  There is a reason many of the MMO's have died over the last few years and it is because the quality has been horrendous that you have so many jaded MMO vets running around trying to find a game that can hold their attentions for a little while. For many (me included) FFXIV is not that game. I am glad you are enjoying the game but for many the bright lights and pretty graphics do not cover up some of the games many holes.




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Originally posted by Beelzebobbie

I agree with you, I just don't think that any game is worth a sub and if any game is worth it, it has to be massive.

I just think there are better options.

And just WHAT are those options? I keep asking people that who post that they don't like FF ARR I get no response. I'm just really curious to see which games these people feel are better and why.

Originally posted by daltanious
Originally posted by TribeofOne

The game is a universal hit with over 300,000 concurrent connections and has overcome all the petty issues experienced by some at launch. The feeling in game is so positive and the promise of continued content and events is refreshing in this age of disposable mmos. Sales have resumed and I encourage anyone who hasnt tried it yet to do so. 100% guarantee youll love it or you'll not.


Ui improvements are incoming

more larger open zones suitable for "camps" are coming

unique seasonal events done like only Final Fantasy can are coming.

several additional Jobs already in the works!


[mod edit: Altered title]


The only thing that would make me return would be FF14 3.0 when they would hopefully do the things right this time. As FORMER Square enix fan I can say have never ever been so disappointed by any mmo release as with ARR.

Really? And which games(s) are you playing right now?

Originally posted by Foomerang

OP you should try FFXIV. Its where a few of us vet SWG crafters have gone.

<------Raises hand

Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Yizle
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT all...not even a little bit.


Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not.


Cuz all the innovative games were runaway blockbusters right?

I still can't believe people took my Pong comment was a joke - but FF ARR is NOT = best MMO I've played in 5 years. The crafting system is definitely superior to everything that has come out in years. 

Also - I'm still waiting for someone to tell me of an MMO that is out right now that is better in this regard. 

Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by Netspook

I also think this game is going to fail. I'm not going to crit you with a wall of text explaining why, because it can be summed up with very few words:

Though this game looks great, it's just incredibly boring.

Simple as that.

Are you old enough to remember playing Pong? Now THAT was boring - FF ARR is NOT all...not even a little bit.


Pong was innovative for it's time. FFXIV is not. sense of hurmor...

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