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Originally posted by romanator0
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by romanator0

Any developer who wants me to pay for the privelage of playing their game and then is going to lock me out after a certain amount of time unless i pay them more are con artists as far as i'm concerned.

Er, don't finance a car.

You do know we're talking about games, right? Not cars, not houses, not electricity. Just games.

Free to play games only get money from their cash shop. They only need a tiny portion of the community to buy anything in the cash shop for them to be profitable.

Games like TOR, WoW, Rift, TSW and Tera all generate revenue from box sales. Something that free to play games don't get. On top of that a number of sub based games are also adding cash shops or other microtransactions where they generate continual revenue.

There is no reason at all for a developer to lock people out of a game with a subscription when every justification for one is already covered.

They have every reason to: It's THEIR business. And why do you think Game Deverlopers are any different from any other business? All need a profit to stay in business - they're not here for your free enjoyment. Pay to play or not - it's your choice.

Originally posted by Tyvolus1
Originally posted by echolynfan

I've read about so many people complaining about the $14.95 subscription cost for SWTOR and other MMO's for that matter. Those same people probably think nothing of spending hundreds of dollars on iPads and other crap but when it comes to what is essentially .50 cents per day for 24/7 entertainment they have a freaking cow.

And - most MMO's provide new content on a regular basis in the form of patches included in the monthly fee so you have a never ending game.

Obviously paying for a sub for a game that sucks makes no sense and MMO developers have to produce games and content that customers will WANT to pay for. If they don't ::cough:: Star Trek Online :cough:: they become FTP.

Is .50 cents per day for round the clock entertainment just too much for people to pay? Really?


 $15 a month to play a Single Player RPG is a rip-off.  Too many companies of late (and Bioware is the latest example) are making single player type RPGs with multi-player elements and co-op gameplay and trying to pawn it off as an MMORPG.  sorry, Im not one of the people who is going to play along with that scam.  Since MMORPGs are simply turning into RPGs with a sub fee, I am going to stick to traditional single player RPGs  (and far more enjoyable) games...thank you Bethesda.

Confucious say: People who know nothing should say nothing.

Originally posted by Mehve
Originally posted by romanator0

I don't know about other people, but for me it's not the price, it's the principle of the matter.

Any developer who wants me to pay for the privelage of playing their game and then is going to lock me out after a certain amount of time unless i pay them more are con artists as far as i'm concerned.

On the bright side, this approach leaves you without internet, so you have nothing to worry about.

LOL - I wish I had thought of that one :)

Originally posted by romanator0

I don't know about other people, but for me it's not the price, it's the principle of the matter.

Any developer who wants me to pay for the privelage of playing their game and then is going to lock me out after a certain amount of time unless i pay them more are con artists as far as i'm concerned.

LOL - so when that magazine sub runs out and they ask you to renew or you won't get your next issue...they're con artists as well? When your rent is due and you will get kicked out for not paying - your landlord  is a con artist?

Occupy somewhere is calling you :)

Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by huskie77
To this point, all of the major games to go F2P have seen an increase in profits by doing so. Nobody is certain what the longterm viability of this strategy is yet.

I've always wondered.  It definitely did work for the first major titles to jump the conversion.  But will it still work entering a large and competitive field of hundreds of other F2P games?

It appears at some point that the player base becomes too spread out (across many games) to support it being "profitable", and F2P games will start to bankrupt themselves by attrition.

F2P games are more profitable because everyone likes to get something for "free" but then these same companies introduce all these cool cash shop items you either can't live without or need to advance in the game. Now - you're paying a crap ton more for the game than a standard sub. But - since people can decide for themselves whether or not they want to spend the money on these items that somehow seems ok.

"shakes head:


Originally posted by h0urg1ass
Originally posted by holifeet

He certainly shouldn't be coming here and listing a whole page of complaints that a game doesn't have what he wants when that game never really appeared to be likely to provide that. It's like buying a sandwich from a vegetarian cafe and asking why they don't have ham. You'll get told you've come to the wrong place. At least he was constructive, even if he was angry, but that's besides the point in his case.


No, that's a terrible anaology.  It's like going into a vegetarian sandwich shop and every sandwich on the menu is lettuce and rye with a different name.

Some of us are sick of eating lettuce on rye every meal, and calling it "le lettuce au rye" doesn't change the fact that it's still lettuce on rye.  I want to walk into the vegetarian sandwich shop and see lettuce on rye, tomato on sourdough, tofu burger on wheat and lots of options.  Not the same thing renamed time and time again.

Excuse me while I go out and get some real food:

Originally posted by Fennris

I agree with most of your points and suspect that many at Bioware probably would also - they've said all along (apologetically? defiantly?) that they're creating a Wow clone and that was probably based on an order from the top of the chain that wanted to take the "safe path" to investment return (a path blazed by EQ and Wow and followed by AoC, Warhammer, DCU and others - looking at the legacy they should have rethought).


The game is a bit dated.  The LFG is from CoH - Wow has a better instance/grouping tool now.  The graphics are not as smooth as Wow's unless you turn the resolution way down.  The PvP is not balanced.   The voice acting and quest focus in the lower levels reminds me a lot of my first days of EQ2 except that the stories here are a bit better.  The narrow environments where you can't jump/climb up/over certain ledges/rocks reminds me of some of AoC's zones.  And then there's the trinity concept which doesn't fit with any of the movies or their cinematics but Wow did it (as did many many other lackluster games so far) so...

You can cancel your pre-order from most companies.  I did.



But SWTOR doesn't have Gnomes, Dwarves, Elves or it has that going for it :)

Originally posted by Zlayer77
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

After having experienced two Beta weekends now, I have to finally say something somewhere about this game.  That something is that I'm highly disappointed in this installment of the Star Wars franchise!

{mod edit}  I must say I like your Review, the game sounds exacly what I thought it would be... Nothing new under the sun "this is not the GAME you are looking for"

Thanx for taking your time to write this.. sorry you are going to get trashed for speaking the truth....

I'm sorry - "opinion" does not equal "truth"

@OP: "My first MMO experience was EVE"

And this will always be your problem - Sandboxes good - Themeparks - Bad.

To me - Eve is a pain in the ass and each his own as they say :)

Originally posted by Siveria

Well the thing is, Bioware promised a generic mmorpg and they delivered one near-flawlessly, Problem is, people are sick to death of the world of warcraft-like generic mmorpg.

No - I'm just sick of WOW. Throwing a sticky grenade on an enemy NPC and watching them scream trying to take it off before they explode and take their friends with them = WIN

SWTOR just rocks!

Originally posted by odinsrath

hmmm is it possibly cuz too many people were seeing how bad this game rly is?? yes YES thats it!

Yeah - you keep telling yourself that lol

I've read about so many people complaining about the $14.95 subscription cost for SWTOR and other MMO's for that matter. Those same people probably think nothing of spending hundreds of dollars on iPads and other crap but when it comes to what is essentially .50 cents per day for 24/7 entertainment they have a freaking cow.

And - most MMO's provide new content on a regular basis in the form of patches included in the monthly fee so you have a never ending game.

Obviously paying for a sub for a game that sucks makes no sense and MMO developers have to produce games and content that customers will WANT to pay for. If they don't ::cough:: Star Trek Online :cough:: they become FTP.

Is .50 cents per day for round the clock entertainment just too much for people to pay? Really?


I've played Rift - and SWTOR is NOT Rift...that's an insult to SWTOR. The only similarity between the two is that both didn't (and won't) suck at launch. SWTOR beta felt like a finished product - not still in testing.

I had the most fun in an MMO this past weekend than I have in years and promptly pre-ordered the Digital Deluxe copy for the extra goodies and early access. Now I just have to figure out what I'm going to do for the next 2-3 weeks :)

Originally posted by Gylfi

The idea behind massiveness is that one interacts with the whole community. When i play EVE and meddle in the economy i have to consider all the players' trends, intentions, what they do and think themselves, if i want to predict their actions. That's massive interaction.

As for PvP, when i go battling i have to know the latest politics, i have to consider what's the whole community doing.

What's the open-world PvP like in Swtor? I don't even consider the instanced battlegrounds, cause 1. you play with a bunch of guys and 2. the battlegrounds are usually always the same notwithstanding the global situation.

I've played Eve on and off over the years and found it tedious and 0.0 space to be full of hyped up full-of-themselves jackoffs. It takes years to advance enough to become competitive or even to get into a corp that might know someone who knows someone who can get you into an Alliance in 0.0 space.

Eve is just too much "work" and SWTOR is just all "fun" from the moment you hit the ground. Eve will continue to have 300K sub numbers while SWTOR will have millions. Most people want to have fun in a game - not a virtual job :)

I had some problems wwith the image sizing - sorry about that - all fine now :)

Many have been nitpicking this game for it's graphics but there's no denying that Bioware have built a stunning environment - and these are from only the starter area and Coruscant:











Originally posted by nomss
Originally posted by page


A few days ago, I made a post expressing my concerns and dislikes about the Voice Acting used in SWTOR. I must say that I not a large fan of Starwars. It's ok but I just not a major follower of it.

Now, with watching sooooooo many playing the bata on my real time web site, I must say that I really like this game.

1) Open world is beautiful. Graphics are a change, A good break from the fantasy setting.

2) Love the companion Idea.

3) Love the classes.

4) Having your own ship.

5) Many others

But the voice acting cut scenes will stop my adrenalin flow, as it seems to do with the players I had been watching. I'll try and go into this Fridays bata with an open mind, who knows it may not really be that bad. So many of us will soon find out.

Many of you are hard-core StarWars fans. In fact there are many here that are not normally mmo players, but Hay you love Starwars that much " good for you ".


Now my question is, and please be honest. Do you really like the voice acting or because it's StarWars and a good quality game made by BioWare.

No, not really. It is Sci-Fi, Science Fiction, meaning science fantasy.

I think what they meant is: NO FREAKING ELVES :)

I usually hate questing in games and go out of my way to avoid them if possible. In Wow - I leveled up several characters by doing battlegrounds only (except for the 1st 10 - had no choice)

SWTOR is the MMO I've played where I became involved with the story and actually felt like part of it - love the voice acting and love the game!

Originally posted by massicks

Problem is unlike a single player game you are also paying a monthly subscription on top of the initial outlay so that needs to be factored in when considering whether it is worth the money...

Yeah - cause that extra .50 cents a day for 24/7 playtime is a game breaker lol

Originally posted by Metentso

I can't stop either, hitting 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2 has me glued on my chair for hours!

They have meds for that condition :)

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