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Originally posted by OhhPaigey

So I came back today, or I was going to, I bought the game at launch and played for a few days with a friend, logged in when it went F2P and you had to pay for actionbars, and then I decide to redownload it today and I see this. (http://i.imgur.com/3SEMFiE.png)

I also checked out the free to play restrictions, they seem pretty horrible, you can't sprint until you're level 10 as F2P, but if you pay you have it unlocked at level 1, chat restrictions, support restrictions. I would've rather paid for a subscription today and be even with everybody else, this game even outlines how F2P it is on it's restrictions page. (http://www.swtor.com/free/features)

Idk, it just seems like a complete mess, like most of these business models.. /shrug

We have a generation emerging today that think's everything is owed to them and that everything should be free: ie downloading movies...music etc. This in turn has fueled these so called Free-To-Play game models to lure these same freeloaders in hopes that they'll end up subbing or perhaps just spend money on Cartel Coins.

Bioware and EA are in this for the $$ - not your gaming enjoyment. Oh sure...the designers want people to enjoy the game but on the business end is all about the money. This is true about ANY business and if EA was to just make SWTOR free across the board...you'd have to expect for all involved in that company to not only work for free but shell out their own money without compensation.

These same people who complain about a $15 sub probably never question when they have to spend $500 on a new iPhone or pay overpriced cell phone plans.

That said - the F2P model is a farce and I don't think it's right for companies to use the term: Free-To-Play because it's not..really. Free to Try? Yes.

Nothing in life is FREE - someone always ends up paying. 

Originally posted by Impacthound
Originally posted by Tasslehoff35

Except LOTR does not have the same type of cult following the Star Wars franchise does.  You don't see LOTR toys taking up entire sections of Walmart.  You can't compare the type of following between Star Wars and Lotr.  Plus LOTRO had been out for 8 years before the hobbit.  

 

Now I won't sit here and act like I'm 100% correct and make definite answers like you attempted "there will be no spike" but I would guess based on the facts I provided you, you are wrong.  

 

Actually the LOTR fandom is even bigger than Star Wars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuMpDMDJ564

Star Wars may generate more toy sales, but toys are an irrelevant point when we're discussing movie viewership to MMO business. LOTR fans have traditionally been older demographics that are readers and likely already invested in strategy/role-playing and computer games. Adults are playing MMOs, not 8 yr old kids watching Disney shows. If LOTRO didn't attract a surge of business from their movies when you can actually interact with characters, storyline and locations in the game because they're in the same timeline, there's no way "The Force Awakens" will attract any significant number of new players to a 4 year old game that takes place 10,000 years in the past.

"You don't see LOTR toys taking up entire sections of Walmart," Actually you do in most areas, there's still action figures being made for the movies in stores, twice as many console and PC games being made and LEGO has a huge new product line that's current in most locations. YOU may not be a LOTR fan, but lots of other people are, and you can't deny or hide that they're a huge presence.

TL;DR trying to belittle a series doesn't disprove the point that movies don't drive MMO traffic.

The main difference between Star Wars & LOTR fans is this:

LOTR fans mainly like to play D&D style games in a group around a table. While there is much role playing among the Star Wars crowd you'll find they mainly like to play video games over board games. 

How many LOTR fans do you know like the above?

 

 

Wow...beautiful guys - I just got started so I have nothing to show atm but I must say Bioware/EA did a great job with the Strongholds - looking forward to decorating mine :)
Originally posted by DeniZg

I agree, the game is a lot better than it was before.

I also quit playing couple of months after launch and just came back for 12x XP boost and I have to say I'm enjoying it.

But, the game is still the same at it's core.

So, if someone left because of bad optimization, ability delay, long loading screens, 5 hour emergency maintenance in prime time, empty servers etc., then by all means you should come back. The game is now working flawlessly.

But, if someone disliked lack of massive PvP, heavy on-rails experience with little to no exploration, lots of repetitive grindy quests covered up with in-game cutscenes etc., don't expect the game is any different now.

Me, I appreciate good class stories SWTOR has, as well as the casual social experience provided by heroic quests. I will keep playing.

Most of my problems with the game early on were performance and the other items you mentioned and as you said these have been taken care of and the game runs smoothly now.

The lack of mass PVP is a slight disappointment and I hope in the future is corrected but they've added more Warzones (battlegrounds) to make it more interesting and of course if you like world PVP you can just join a PVP server.

The servers being empty was a big problem but now that's solved also and there are people everywhere I go. Lack of changing planetary weather patterns is a bummer but not a deal breaker and as long as Bioware/EA continue to add content on a regular basis the game will get better and better.

It's definitely worth the sub now and I plan on trying out many of the other classes.

I was one of SWTOR's harshest critics and left the game 2 months after launch...returned a year later for one month and then returned this past week.

1st off - I know they're a lot of MMORPGers here that hate theme parks and will hate SWTOR forever - I understand that but the game overall has improved much and I felt it was time to revise my opinion.

Stronghold's (or housing) has always been a favorite part of MMO's and SWTOR did a really nice job with the design - although placing of decorations is a bit stiff (you can't just drop stuff down anywhere) it's a great diversion from combat and it's made traveling around SWTOR so much easier. (from your Stronghold you can port to your ship...The Fleet or even the last place you were at.) I never understood why Bioware/EA just didn't let people use their ships as a home with decorating capabilities - just seemed like a waste.

The F2P model is very limited but it's a good way for people to try the game out for themselves and IMO if you decide to check out SWTOR and like it just go ahead and pay for the month's sub - it's only 50 cents per day and you'll end up spending much more if you buy add-ons or unlocks.

The game engine seems better but I would advise that anyone playing this game have at least a Quad-Core with 8 gigs of ram and 1 gig Video card - this will give you a playable FPS even in PVP but you will be set on the lowest graphic setting (yes...it's a hog and one of the biggest mistakes Bioware/EA made with game design)

The crafting system has depth and the Companion system was always one of my favorites but I have yet to assess whether or not end game crafting is viable now or still behind drops (I'm sure someone here will let me know)

In retrospect I wish my starting character had been a Jedi and not The Trooper....I love the Jedi story and nothing feels more like Star Wars than swinging a lightsaber and hurling foes through the air with the Force :)

It's a solid game now and since it's free and all you have to pay for is a sub for full access....why not give it a try? The new expansion is coming out in December so now is a great time to start :)

Originally posted by OhhPaigey

So I came back today, or I was going to, I bought the game at launch and played for a few days with a friend, logged in when it went F2P and you had to pay for actionbars, and then I decide to redownload it today and I see this. (http://i.imgur.com/3SEMFiE.png)

I also checked out the free to play restrictions, they seem pretty horrible, you can't sprint until you're level 10 as F2P, but if you pay you have it unlocked at level 1, chat restrictions, support restrictions. I would've rather paid for a subscription today and be even with everybody else, this game even outlines how F2P it is on it's restrictions page. (http://www.swtor.com/free/features)

Idk, it just seems like a complete mess, like most of these business models.. /shrug

FTP is really misleading - it should be Free-To-Try as in most cases you're very limited. The good news is for only $15.00 per month you get full access for just .50 per day. Back in the 80's Arcades I'd be popping 10.00 - 20.00 for just an afternoon of fun on the SW: The Empire Strikes Back AND I had to leave the house! My how things have progressed :)

http://youtu.be/aIFO2ec8VUg

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

The last time I played this game I was asking for talent build advice for my Jedi Sage and all I got were mostly no comments and a guy telling me to shut up...

And this sort of thing is why I don't play this game anymore...

I don't want to play a game full of nasty people.

Though I liked the game in general but the community ruins the game, now I see why everyone wished this was Knights of the Old Republic 3 instead of being an MMO. :/

You have idiots in every MMO but you would be better off Googling for that info - there's a ton of good sites with great info on all aspects of SWTOR (and the browser won't call you names)

Originally posted by lpriest
I'm surprised this game is still so hyped, considering that combat feels like it belongs in 2004
 

And this is a negative? The MMO's pre-2004 were better IMO - games mostly suck now.

 
Playing Wow right now waiting for Archeage - nothing else out there right now of interest to me.
Originally posted by Impacthound
Originally posted by echolynfan

"What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist." - Salman Rushdie

LOL, you can't play the "freedom" card on someone who isn't oppressing you. I just gave some conflict-avoidance tips? I mean, you can be as inflammatory as you want, but it draws the attention of moderators when you do, and making political statements on MMO boards is a little misguided.

It's a quote about expression...nothing political intended. Also - other people's feelings are not my responsibility...I'm not going to change the way I express my views so someone's butt doesn't get hurt. 

“To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” - Aristotle

Originally posted by Impacthound
Originally posted by echolynfan

I think it's an ok maybe sucks kind of a puke game. I made up my damn mind about the game after launch and if I want to come by every once and a while to voice my opinion that's my business. That is...what forums are all about are they not?

By the way...I've played the game as recently as last month so I'm not just voicing an old opinion of SWTOR. Just as some people can't stop bashing SWG years after it's dead...I'm here with my opinions. 

This video sums up what I'm talking about:

http://youtu.be/eC8LacnQ1bc

Your positioning is hostile. I'm not a current player but I like the setting and some of the players I met in-game enough to want to stay up-to-date on current and coming changes to the game. I keep looking for something that will make me want to play again, hasn't happened yet, but in the meantime instead of posting a ton of negative things I try to temper it with things I'd like to see. I also think it's always worth discussing what did and didn't work in SWG, because BioWare can still learn from it's successes and failures. Players loved housing; not enough to float the whole game but it was a persistent want and it's finally being added just before the 3-year mark. Casualizing all the combat and group content hurt SWG, they should probably step off on Tactical Ops for a long while.

Just think about how you word things. If you trim the inflammatory words and tone you can get some real discussion.

"What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist." - Salman Rushdie

 

 

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by echolynfan
 

Hehe...ok...lets see if I can explain this with examples: Coors sells much more beer than the local brewery down the street from me but that doesn't make it a better beer. Lady Gaga sells millions of records but that doesn't mean her music is better than a smaller independent artist who doesn't have the $$ for marketing.

It's obvious you never played SWG so you have no frame of reference for why it was (and still is) loved by the MMO community. I would rather play the version that can't be mentioned on this site than waste my time with EA's puke of a game SWTOR.  

I paid top dollar for TWO pre-ordered deluxe versions of SWTOR for me and my wife (we're both big Star Wars fans as well as SWG fans) and I made it to level cap on one character hoping that there was something redeeming with the end game. My wife saw the crapiness earlier than I did and quit around level 30...I just didn't want to believe the game was that bad.

So you're having fun with SWTOR good for you! I just require more from my gaming experience....my beer and my music :)

First you say it's an okay game, then you say "maybe it sucks" now you call it puke.. Make up your damn mind. Better yet move on ,how long have you been here doing this? I remember you from launch.

I think it's an ok maybe sucks kind of a puke game. I made up my damn mind about the game after launch and if I want to come by every once and a while to voice my opinion that's my business. That is...what forums are all about are they not?

By the way...I've played the game as recently as last month so I'm not just voicing an old opinion of SWTOR. Just as some people can't stop bashing SWG years after it's dead...I'm here with my opinions. 

This video sums up what I'm talking about:

http://youtu.be/eC8LacnQ1bc

Originally posted by kitarad
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by echolynfan
 

Hehe...ok...lets see if I can explain this with examples: Coors sells much more beer than the local brewery down the street from me but that doesn't make it a better beer. Lady Gaga sells millions of records but that doesn't mean her music is better than a smaller independent artist who doesn't have the $$ for marketing.

It's obvious you never played SWG so you have no frame of reference for why it was (and still is) loved by the MMO community. I would rather play the version that can't be mentioned on this site than waste my time with EA's puke of a game SWTOR.  

I paid top dollar for TWO pre-ordered deluxe versions of SWTOR for me and my wife (we're both big Star Wars fans as well as SWG fans) and I made it to level cap on one character hoping that there was something redeeming with the end game. My wife saw the crapiness earlier than I did and quit around level 30...I just didn't want to believe the game was that bad.

So you're having fun with SWTOR good for you! I just require more from my gaming experience....my beer and my music :)

None of that explains why people like you can't just let people enjoy SWTOR or talk about it without barging in to lament the loss of SWG or complain about a game they no longer play.

So the game wasn't for you...move the fuck on and go play something else. NO ONE playing the game gives a fuck that you don't or why you don't. All you are now is that obnoxious person that cries at peoples weddings about the girl that got away.

I also cannot understand why he felt the need to put down the OP's taste with his I am better than you speech. It was so unnecessary .

Huh? I never put the OP down - I just have different tastes when it comes to MMO's - I like more complex game play which SWTOR does not have so sue me.

Originally posted by Tyggs
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by coorsguys
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by coorsguys
Originally posted by alkarionlog
Originally posted by hockeyplayr
I have to say I avoided this game like the plague when it came out and only tried it up to lvl 7 when it went f2p.  I decided to pick up a referral for the free 7 days subscription and I have to say it is really fun.  It is very linear but I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets now.

to be fair they hoped for more, and its was bioware pretty much the "best" rpg maker for computer back then(then they make swtor and make DA2 ME2 and 3). then to put a cherry on top of it all they closed star wars galaxy (because ehy they need that player base on they new game).

 

also when you read about a ex employer from bioware- EA saying the most thing they was proud on the game was the sound files of VAa, makes you wonder what the hell they was thinking.

 

and now with DA3 launching this year and Bioware saying we learned with ours mistakes, pretty much tells you what you need to know, pretty much if DA3 fails don't think Bioware will stay around much longer

 

also another thing to add for swtor rage is, for a MMORPG its sure is a nice Single Player, jedi knight pretty much plays like it was KOTOR 3, and unless you like to redo gameplays just for story modes I don't see much point in playing it again, and the fact you can make a good stading char in a month of gameplay and on this game jedis are the weakest ones to play, lame open world pvp (serious no point at all).

Wow I have to say this is a lot of bias, uninformed, rambling going on here.  So they (bioware/ea) Closed swg?  They closed it because they wanted it's players especially since Swtor has more players then swg could ever dream of.   Lol what a joke swg was flapping in the wind long before Swtor.  Swg closed because SOE closed it because nobody was playing it and they did not renew their license.  Unless you have a link to prove somehow bioware/ea closed swg,   Otherwise like I said bias, uninformed, misleading lies from you.  

 

When you read about ex employees?  Hmm first post a link where they said this and how many ex employees go on and on about how great a company is that let them go?  And bias, uninformed, misleading lies.  

 

Hmm bioware learned from it's mistakes?  So you have a link that says bioware learned from it's mistakes on the 2nd or 3rd most popular western mmo?  Or did bioware learn from their mistakes with the ending of ME?  Again bias, uninformed , misleading lies from you. 

Oh here nice work jumping on Another bias, uninformed, misleading lie about Swtor that the hater train likes to jump on. Single player lol yeah so every other mmo that has the following is single player right? 

Flashpoints (dungeons since you clearly have no idea about Swtor)

Ops (raids "                       ")

pvp ground

pvp space

world bosses that require multiple players

crafting items to see to other players

selling items to other players

datacrons hunting some require multiple players

heroic areas (questing areas they require multiple players )

Guilds

I can keep going but clearly this is not a single player game!

 

I get it you don't play or have never played and just copy/pasting old hater points.  The current game most run multiple toons because it's one of the best leveling experiences in mmo. 

 

The Jedi is the weakest class?  What class would that be exactly?  

 

Good standing char in a month?  You can get reputation from every faction that offers it? ranked pvp (which has seasons and has a point actually another bias, uninformed, misleading lie from you I wanted to point out)?, run all the ops? get top gear in one month hmm? Get full relationship on all of your companions?  ECT ECT!   Ok good luck with that.  

 

So to end my post about your obvious bias, uninformed, misleading lie of a post the real rage comes from players like you.  Who have not played ever or in a long long time and have zero knowledge of the current game.  These haters who rage and post lies about a VIDEO GAME over three years later typically are bitter swg vets who can't get over their game closed.  So go read the patch notes for the last three years you will learn a lot about this game.  

 

Three year later and we still have people posting bias, uninformed, misleading lies about a video game!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SWTOR is an "OK" game but nothing great and certainly can't touch SWG for gameplay. SWG was shut down because LA (Now Disney) did not renew their license and suffered long term because of SOE's botched NGE fiasco. Even though that game was nearly 10 years old it had more going for it (and still does) than SWTOR.

The two games can't even be compared side by side because the differences are so vast. SWG has complex crafting and deep gameplay while SWTOR is a flashy story and has weak gameplay and meaningless crafting. I played SWTOR from Beta onward and several times since then and my opinion has not changed.

And there we have it!  We can't have a Swtor thread without a desperate, bitter, angry swg vet acting like his gf left him over three years ago and he just can't move on with his life!

I'm sorry swg has more going for it now then Swtor does?  Oh please explain this lol.  I really hope you don't mean the 1000 people playing the version we can't mention on this site, wow the desperation is strong in this one.  Back on a Friday night in '06 Swg had just over 10k players online.  Now your buddy smed denied subs fell that low but never denied the reported players.  Swg is dead little buddy it's time to move on with your life.  

Hehe...ok...lets see if I can explain this with examples: Coors sells much more beer than the local brewery down the street from me but that doesn't make it a better beer. Lady Gaga sells millions of records but that doesn't mean her music is better than a smaller independent artist who doesn't have the $$ for marketing.

It's obvious you never played SWG so you have no frame of reference for why it was (and still is) loved by the MMO community. I would rather play the version that can't be mentioned on this site than waste my time with EA's puke of a game SWTOR.  

I paid top dollar for TWO pre-ordered deluxe versions of SWTOR for me and my wife (we're both big Star Wars fans as well as SWG fans) and I made it to level cap on one character hoping that there was something redeeming with the end game. My wife saw the crapiness earlier than I did and quit around level 30...I just didn't want to believe the game was that bad.

So you're having fun with SWTOR good for you! I just require more from my gaming experience....my beer and my music :)

So.... you're just a snob who thinks he has better taste than those enjoying something different? Very well, carry on.

Nope...not at all. If you read Coorsguy's response to MY opinion of SWTOR it was he who was a snot to me - I just explained in further detail why I preferred SWG over SWTOR. 

Originally posted by coorsguys
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by coorsguys
Originally posted by alkarionlog
Originally posted by hockeyplayr
I have to say I avoided this game like the plague when it came out and only tried it up to lvl 7 when it went f2p.  I decided to pick up a referral for the free 7 days subscription and I have to say it is really fun.  It is very linear but I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets now.

to be fair they hoped for more, and its was bioware pretty much the "best" rpg maker for computer back then(then they make swtor and make DA2 ME2 and 3). then to put a cherry on top of it all they closed star wars galaxy (because ehy they need that player base on they new game).

 

also when you read about a ex employer from bioware- EA saying the most thing they was proud on the game was the sound files of VAa, makes you wonder what the hell they was thinking.

 

and now with DA3 launching this year and Bioware saying we learned with ours mistakes, pretty much tells you what you need to know, pretty much if DA3 fails don't think Bioware will stay around much longer

 

also another thing to add for swtor rage is, for a MMORPG its sure is a nice Single Player, jedi knight pretty much plays like it was KOTOR 3, and unless you like to redo gameplays just for story modes I don't see much point in playing it again, and the fact you can make a good stading char in a month of gameplay and on this game jedis are the weakest ones to play, lame open world pvp (serious no point at all).

Wow I have to say this is a lot of bias, uninformed, rambling going on here.  So they (bioware/ea) Closed swg?  They closed it because they wanted it's players especially since Swtor has more players then swg could ever dream of.   Lol what a joke swg was flapping in the wind long before Swtor.  Swg closed because SOE closed it because nobody was playing it and they did not renew their license.  Unless you have a link to prove somehow bioware/ea closed swg,   Otherwise like I said bias, uninformed, misleading lies from you.  

 

When you read about ex employees?  Hmm first post a link where they said this and how many ex employees go on and on about how great a company is that let them go?  And bias, uninformed, misleading lies.  

 

Hmm bioware learned from it's mistakes?  So you have a link that says bioware learned from it's mistakes on the 2nd or 3rd most popular western mmo?  Or did bioware learn from their mistakes with the ending of ME?  Again bias, uninformed , misleading lies from you. 

Oh here nice work jumping on Another bias, uninformed, misleading lie about Swtor that the hater train likes to jump on. Single player lol yeah so every other mmo that has the following is single player right? 

Flashpoints (dungeons since you clearly have no idea about Swtor)

Ops (raids "                       ")

pvp ground

pvp space

world bosses that require multiple players

crafting items to see to other players

selling items to other players

datacrons hunting some require multiple players

heroic areas (questing areas they require multiple players )

Guilds

I can keep going but clearly this is not a single player game!

 

I get it you don't play or have never played and just copy/pasting old hater points.  The current game most run multiple toons because it's one of the best leveling experiences in mmo. 

 

The Jedi is the weakest class?  What class would that be exactly?  

 

Good standing char in a month?  You can get reputation from every faction that offers it? ranked pvp (which has seasons and has a point actually another bias, uninformed, misleading lie from you I wanted to point out)?, run all the ops? get top gear in one month hmm? Get full relationship on all of your companions?  ECT ECT!   Ok good luck with that.  

 

So to end my post about your obvious bias, uninformed, misleading lie of a post the real rage comes from players like you.  Who have not played ever or in a long long time and have zero knowledge of the current game.  These haters who rage and post lies about a VIDEO GAME over three years later typically are bitter swg vets who can't get over their game closed.  So go read the patch notes for the last three years you will learn a lot about this game.  

 

Three year later and we still have people posting bias, uninformed, misleading lies about a video game!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SWTOR is an "OK" game but nothing great and certainly can't touch SWG for gameplay. SWG was shut down because LA (Now Disney) did not renew their license and suffered long term because of SOE's botched NGE fiasco. Even though that game was nearly 10 years old it had more going for it (and still does) than SWTOR.

The two games can't even be compared side by side because the differences are so vast. SWG has complex crafting and deep gameplay while SWTOR is a flashy story and has weak gameplay and meaningless crafting. I played SWTOR from Beta onward and several times since then and my opinion has not changed.

And there we have it!  We can't have a Swtor thread without a desperate, bitter, angry swg vet acting like his gf left him over three years ago and he just can't move on with his life!

I'm sorry swg has more going for it now then Swtor does?  Oh please explain this lol.  I really hope you don't mean the 1000 people playing the version we can't mention on this site, wow the desperation is strong in this one.  Back on a Friday night in '06 Swg had just over 10k players online.  Now your buddy smed denied subs fell that low but never denied the reported players.  Swg is dead little buddy it's time to move on with your life.  

Hehe...ok...lets see if I can explain this with examples: Coors sells much more beer than the local brewery down the street from me but that doesn't make it a better beer. Lady Gaga sells millions of records but that doesn't mean her music is better than a smaller independent artist who doesn't have the $$ for marketing.

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I paid top dollar for TWO pre-ordered deluxe versions of SWTOR for me and my wife (we're both big Star Wars fans as well as SWG fans) and I made it to level cap on one character hoping that there was something redeeming with the end game. My wife saw the crapiness earlier than I did and quit around level 30...I just didn't want to believe the game was that bad.

So you're having fun with SWTOR good for you! I just require more from my gaming experience....my beer and my music :)

Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Impacthound
Originally posted by Po_gg

If you forget the major ones in the last three years (Isengard, Rohan and Helm's Deep), just the rest of the smaller updates combined could match up the additional content TOR got since release... and those three expansions each had more. Sorry, but in regards of content updates, LotRO and TOR are not even in the same league.

 

It'd be better to focus onto the original subject of the thread, the fun. A couple days ago we did a H+4 without tank or healer, it was fun :) (ok, up to the point when we saw the repair bills after the many wipes...)

Thank you for the support, I don't think my first post in the thread was unreasonable or deserving of the derailment.

It wasn't but you can't swing a midget on this forum without hitting someone trying to make this game out to be the most evil mmo ever made or trying to prove how bad it's doing.

Look where this thread went. I've laughed at all that for years not really caring much because I didn't play it any more. I took the odd poke at someone trying to say it's losing money or whatever but never really gave it much thought. Now after going back to it and playing it...the game is really fun and is a very good themepark mmo. So seeing all this nerd rage over the game seems even more ridiculous to me now.

I can see why fans get tired of reading the nonsense about this game. When every mouth breather with a keyboard is here trying to spread shit that isn't even close to true it's a bit frustrating. What would any fan do if every thread about their game got trolled by these people.....wait.....that is what happens here.

You can not have a thread about this game without it turning into why SWTOR sucks. It really needs to stop.

Well...have you considered the possibility that this is happening because the game DOES suck?

Originally posted by coorsguys
Originally posted by alkarionlog
Originally posted by hockeyplayr
I have to say I avoided this game like the plague when it came out and only tried it up to lvl 7 when it went f2p.  I decided to pick up a referral for the free 7 days subscription and I have to say it is really fun.  It is very linear but I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets now.

to be fair they hoped for more, and its was bioware pretty much the "best" rpg maker for computer back then(then they make swtor and make DA2 ME2 and 3). then to put a cherry on top of it all they closed star wars galaxy (because ehy they need that player base on they new game).

 

also when you read about a ex employer from bioware- EA saying the most thing they was proud on the game was the sound files of VAa, makes you wonder what the hell they was thinking.

 

and now with DA3 launching this year and Bioware saying we learned with ours mistakes, pretty much tells you what you need to know, pretty much if DA3 fails don't think Bioware will stay around much longer

 

also another thing to add for swtor rage is, for a MMORPG its sure is a nice Single Player, jedi knight pretty much plays like it was KOTOR 3, and unless you like to redo gameplays just for story modes I don't see much point in playing it again, and the fact you can make a good stading char in a month of gameplay and on this game jedis are the weakest ones to play, lame open world pvp (serious no point at all).

Wow I have to say this is a lot of bias, uninformed, rambling going on here.  So they (bioware/ea) Closed swg?  They closed it because they wanted it's players especially since Swtor has more players then swg could ever dream of.   Lol what a joke swg was flapping in the wind long before Swtor.  Swg closed because SOE closed it because nobody was playing it and they did not renew their license.  Unless you have a link to prove somehow bioware/ea closed swg,   Otherwise like I said bias, uninformed, misleading lies from you.  

 

When you read about ex employees?  Hmm first post a link where they said this and how many ex employees go on and on about how great a company is that let them go?  And bias, uninformed, misleading lies.  

 

Hmm bioware learned from it's mistakes?  So you have a link that says bioware learned from it's mistakes on the 2nd or 3rd most popular western mmo?  Or did bioware learn from their mistakes with the ending of ME?  Again bias, uninformed , misleading lies from you. 

Oh here nice work jumping on Another bias, uninformed, misleading lie about Swtor that the hater train likes to jump on. Single player lol yeah so every other mmo that has the following is single player right? 

Flashpoints (dungeons since you clearly have no idea about Swtor)

Ops (raids "                       ")

pvp ground

pvp space

world bosses that require multiple players

crafting items to see to other players

selling items to other players

datacrons hunting some require multiple players

heroic areas (questing areas they require multiple players )

Guilds

I can keep going but clearly this is not a single player game!

 

I get it you don't play or have never played and just copy/pasting old hater points.  The current game most run multiple toons because it's one of the best leveling experiences in mmo. 

 

The Jedi is the weakest class?  What class would that be exactly?  

 

Good standing char in a month?  You can get reputation from every faction that offers it? ranked pvp (which has seasons and has a point actually another bias, uninformed, misleading lie from you I wanted to point out)?, run all the ops? get top gear in one month hmm? Get full relationship on all of your companions?  ECT ECT!   Ok good luck with that.  

 

So to end my post about your obvious bias, uninformed, misleading lie of a post the real rage comes from players like you.  Who have not played ever or in a long long time and have zero knowledge of the current game.  These haters who rage and post lies about a VIDEO GAME over three years later typically are bitter swg vets who can't get over their game closed.  So go read the patch notes for the last three years you will learn a lot about this game.  

 

Three year later and we still have people posting bias, uninformed, misleading lies about a video game!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SWTOR is an "OK" game but nothing great and certainly can't touch SWG for gameplay. SWG was shut down because LA (Now Disney) did not renew their license and suffered long term because of SOE's botched NGE fiasco. Even though that game was nearly 10 years old it had more going for it (and still does) than SWTOR.

The two games can't even be compared side by side because the differences are so vast. SWG has complex crafting and deep gameplay while SWTOR is a flashy story and has weak gameplay and meaningless crafting. I played SWTOR from Beta onward and several times since then and my opinion has not changed.

Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by falc0n
Wont be as good as SWG was 10 years ago.

Yeah, nothing as immersive as placing 100k houses next to each other on a desert planet like Tatooine, making it look like Manhattan streetplan.

Yeah, and then when 90% of those houses are basically empty shells from disuse, it starts to resemble Detroit. Just throw around a few empty 40's, add a few crack dealers & homeless people, and BAM!  Perfect.

 

I'd take that over the garbage that is being sold as MMO's today. 

 
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