Originally posted by JeroKane

WHAHAHA! I just don't know if I can't stop laughing........... or crying really.

I guess this marks the end of Star Wars for gamers at least. /sad

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Originally posted by redrain84
I'm curious if you guys think swtor sucks so much, then what  MMO do you guys play because all the other MMO suck in my opinion and I have tried them all.

According to these forums every MMO sucks, don't take what people say here to your heart. Play what you like and enjoy.

Who do you think are more happy? people who are playing MMOS and enjoying themselves or those who come here daily to complain and tear down every game in existence .

Well 2.4 million people bought the game and ~ 2 million people also quit, so they all went somewhere didn't they?

 

With those numbers, it does look like a big failure .. although fans are happy that some people still play, and cite that as some form of success.

 

While many MMO's suck .. some suck more than others.

If SWTOR stayed small as EA should have done, and targeted only a few hundred thousand fans who adored anything Star Wars (even if that means playing a bad game), all those other 2 million people wouldn't have felt ripped off, and this game would have generated much less hate.

 

EA should try something different with MMORPG's, because their Warhammer Online retention plan isn't working.

 

You are trying to twist my post into something else. My post wans"t about what forum goers on this website consider as a success or a failure. I couldn't give a rats ass about it. I was simply commenting on how every MMO is teared to bits on this website.

What matters is that game is up and running, releasing content. That is what matters. Your average joe gamer does not visit forums like these and neither care about  the politics involved.

Haters gonna hate..and they will never run out of excuses to do so.

 

Of those 2.4 million people who bought STWOR - 2 million players left who are pissed at what EA did to the franchise with this piss poor excuse for a game. Star Wars Galaxies was ridiculed and made fun of by many but sitting in SWG waiting for a shuttle was more fun than ANYTHING is SWTOR. Haters gonna hate for a reason

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by echolynfan

IF it were to be ressurrected the only way it would work would be to completely overhaul the game engine/mechanics while keeping the basic content intact. No company (IMO) would invest in a previously failed game and bringing back the original game would be out of the question.

The only possibility I see remotely happening is SOE re-introducing the game as it was and changing a few things: number of characters per account would have to be increased and/or it woulld have to be F2P.

I loved SWG - the only true MMO in my gaming life :)

No. For that we have the fan project.

I want nothing less than Star Wars Galaxies "Next" from SOE, like they are doing Everquest Next.

I want Star Wars in their amazing Forgelight engine, not a half finished Alpha engine like SWTOR has

I want a Star Wars MMO which looks like Star Wars, not like a cartoon sci fi version of WoW

 

Help us Disney, you are our last hope, go talk to SOE

I'm aware of the fan project but it's only good if you have the original discs so that doesn't bode well for new players.

The new upcoming movie (if done well and I do believe with J.J. Abrans at the helm it will) will spawn a re-interest in the franchise which MAY help but that's a big IF.

Complex games like SWG are unfortunately being swept aside in favor of shallow games designed now for mobile apps - iPad...etc. 

IF it were to be ressurrected the only way it would work would be to completely overhaul the game engine/mechanics while keeping the basic content intact. No company (IMO) would invest in a previously failed game and bringing back the original game would be out of the question.

The only possibility I see remotely happening is SOE re-introducing the game as it was and changing a few things: number of characters per account would have to be increased and/or it woulld have to be F2P.

I loved SWG - the only true MMO in my gaming life :)

Originally posted by tiefighter25
I'm pretty sure the new film involves the Empire and the Alliane putting aside their diffrences to work together to destroy the planet Vulcan in order to kill Wynona Ryder.

haha...awesome! 

Originally posted by kb056
I have no interest. Shut ToR down and give me back my Pre-CU SWG.

Or even the NGE - SWTOR needs to be scrapped and re-done by another company.

Originally posted by DaedalEVE

Originally posted by echolynfan

Originally posted by DaedalEVE

Originally posted by jtcgs

/mind still boggled

Seriously? This is patch 2.0?

I still believe this company is hell bent on making sure this game does not live long or become successful as they have done literally nothing to fix the things that drove so many away, nor make the changes needed to get more F2P people to invest in the game

/sits back and waits for the few who actually have invested come rant and rave against reality.

So tell me... what exactly are the things that "drove so many away"? I'd like to know because I've been paying to play since launch, and I have yet to understand what these horrible game breaking bug/issues are that make it so impossible to play the game. Could someone (ANYONE) please tell me!?

 

See my last comment above

So what you're saying is that you had subjective issues with the game, not that there was anything objectively wrong with it or actually game breaking? Because I never experienced anything wrong with the engine, nor the cut scenes. The only technical issues I had at all (or continue to have now and then) relate to the updater freezing up occasionally (which go back to a workaround I had to do to get the beta client to install). It's something that ccan likely be addressed be doing a complete reinstall, but I'm far too lazy to do that and redo my settings, hud, etc. all over again.

It seems like most of the cries by others of "horrible crimes commited against humanity" by this game are nothing more than the opinions (dare I say "mad rantings") of  lassitudinously minded children who don't even play it. 

No..I'm saying that the game just SUCKS ..period. The game engine is a joke...the cut scenes are most of the game (and what EA spent most of it's budget on) PVP sucks....quests are boring...the worlds are devoid of life...no weather changes etc...mobs spaced out like a 3 year old placed them and crafting (especially end game) crafting is worthless.

Of course...you don't have to take just my word for it...just ask all the other people of left SWTOR an empty stink pile. F2P won't even help this game and I'm guessing that the game will die sooner than later.

Oh...and btw - I played during beta and for 1 month afterward and I'm 48 years old.

Originally posted by DaedalEVE

Originally posted by jtcgs

/mind still boggled

Seriously? This is patch 2.0?

I still believe this company is hell bent on making sure this game does not live long or become successful as they have done literally nothing to fix the things that drove so many away, nor make the changes needed to get more F2P people to invest in the game

/sits back and waits for the few who actually have invested come rant and rave against reality.

So tell me... what exactly are the things that "drove so many away"? I'd like to know because I've been paying to play since launch, and I have yet to understand what these horrible game breaking bug/issues are that make it so impossible to play the game. Could someone (ANYONE) please tell me!?

 

See my last comment above

I recently started playing DC Universe online which uses the Unreal 3 engine and on max settings has probably the smoothest gameplay besides Wow. SWTOR's engine was like playing while using a 56K modem.

My 1st thought after playing DCUO was: Why...with all of it's resources did BW and EA produce such a huge piece of crap? I pre-ordered 2 copies of the SWTOR Deluxe Edition for my wife and myself and it still makes me sick.

While DCUO online isn't the most compex and deep MMO on the market - SOE produced a VERY fun and immersive game with plenty of (much better than SWTOR) voiced cut scenes which are PART of the game...not THE game.

EA has a lot to answer to it's investors for throwing their money away.

Anyone with half a brain knows that nothing in life is free. There are no hidden fees behind SOE's F2P games - pay a sub or pay piece meal to enjoy the full benefits of the game. 

Just suppose a restaurant had a sign up that said "Free To Eat" and you go in and find out that they charge for a table...untensils and a waiter - would you pissed? Would you expect the restaurant owner to stay in business by giving away free food?

15 bucks a month is pennies a day and you can even pay for a game pass ($20) to play ALL of SOE's games with NO restrictions - and SOE are greedy bastards? It's obvious you people are not old enough to remember pumping quaters into games at the arcade - I could blow $20 in an afternoon (and that was in the 80's)

Originally posted by olepi

Vanguard is an old-school MMO. No hand-holding, no easy mode. It has a large, wide open virtual world, with tons of content and no instances. No loading screens. Lots of interesting classes, and lots of things to do besides fight (crafting/harvesting, diplomacy, fishing).

It is basically PvE only, with raiding as the end-game.

It does have some hitching problems, and some bugs left. But the population is decent now, with the F2P people checking it out, and the game is fun.

Try it out before relying on old information.

+1

Originally posted by SuperNick

It's a little bit past it now really isn't it?

It was never a successful game on release, I cant imagine it got better with age. I'm sure it isn't as broken as it once was but let's be honest the game ranks down there pretty low as MMOs go.

Wrong - I;ve played many MMO's and VG is one of the better ones. Crafting is complex and deep and the world is large and seamless. There's player housing and ships and so much more. You can wate your money on the new crap or try VG for free and upgrade later if you like it :)

Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

This is probably the most moronic post I've ever read. Unless you plan on buying the IP you DON'T own ANYTHING. The current generation thinks that everything is owed to them and should be free....profit is EVIL. Somewday...IF you grow up you might understand how the real world works but until then - just be quiet...you're letting all the stupid out.

Originally posted by atticusbc
i don't suppose they took away the gear restrictions that made it almost pointless to play?

I don't suppose you thought about actually paying for a Gold membership so you can use said gear?

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

I've downloaded 3 new game launchers versions so far and the only thing i'm getting are either rediculous ques (in the 10s of thousands) or "server is not responding, will try again" error message....i have yet to actually get into the game...

so far i'm incredibly unimpressed. to ask people to pre-pay for this is just wrong.

If you can't handle over a certain ammount of people on your beta servers than cap the damn beta and tell everyone else "sorry we have reached our beta limit". dont take people's money and promise them beta access and when you know you can't deliver. Shady Av just will never learn, and they continue to piss people off.  

Dude - just log into Black Ops and blow some stuff up - you'll feel better and in a couple of days AV will get things working (I promise)

Originally posted by skorner64
If you were to choose between preordering DF:UW or gettign Skyrim on Steam. Which would you choose? :o

Silly question - apples to oranges.

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Originally posted by corpusc
a lot of signs point to DFF being a troll

To address your inquiry, 

 

troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a forum or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

 

Now excuse me if I am incorrect but I don't recall mentioning anything that would provoke a negative response and thus bringing detrimental effect to the MMORPG community. This inlcludes derogatory, religious, moral, racial, and/or ethical comments made by the troll in question. 

 

Next time I would put my thinking cap on before making such an obdurate claim. 

 

 

The irony of your response is hilarious...

Originally posted by Badaboom
Stealing a well known persons game Name is a dick move. I have no sympathy for the thief.