Just kidding

(I am looking forward to the game, hope it's well made)

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Torgrim

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by Torgrim

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by chrisatron Developers should stop catering so much to casuals and start making content and games that require some sort of thought, some strategy and furthermore teamwork! Also, I hate to hear this "Well I can't play for hours on end grinding for particular gear, so it should be easier!" Look, if you don't have the time to commit to an MMO then you shouldn't play an MMO, simple.

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So many things wrong with this post. Developers are not obligated to cater to anyone just because you say so. if they decide their core audience is now the casuals, it is their prerogative, and they can cater their game to anyone they want. Secondly, i don't commit to any MMO, and i do play them. They are entertainment products, and i use them as i see fit, not what you think how i should play games. It is the devs that put in great features like LFD .. obviously trying to get my play-time. I don't see any reason not to play a MMO, on short spurts, if it is fun.  

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  How come you jump into every single thread that is about more hardcore gameplay in MMOs and basically writes exactly the same thing?  

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Because such threads are just repeating exactly the same thing as posted before. It is quite appropriate. A repeated response to a repeated topic. Of course, there will be variation on the language to make it more fun.

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Yes we all get it you play for fun, yes we all get it you like instant gratification rules, yes we all get it you play MMOs and singleplayers games for fun and yes we all get the silver spoonfed mentality.

 

But please stop just for once with your copy/paste respons and play the games you like ok, you seems to have shitloads of games and still you had the time to jump into  threads like this and yet again tell everyone you like silverspoon feed games, ok we got it, just let it go.

 

 

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Why is it OK for the copy/paste threads to get started, but not OK for a copy/paste response? If it's the same thread as before, why not the same response as before?

 

Wait??? So you're saying there have been other thread topics about Hardcore vs Casual??? Next you will be saying there are more than one thread about, "what is a Sandbox?"  :) 

Originally posted by DamonVile

Signing a petition is meaningless. I could put my name on there and there is no way in  hell I'd play that game again.

Get the rights for the game and start a kickstarter up for it and see how many ppl REALLY want it back.

That's not a bad idea, the only question is, would NCsoft sell the rights. 

Originally posted by wizyy

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

Originally posted by wizyy
...and if it was revived, 99% of those who are clamoring for it would quit again after a month.

And if it was revived again, sales would improve by 200 % (Hey making up numbers if fun!!!)

Pffft. "In my opinion" was implied even it wasn't stated, you just don't LIKE what I said.

And Sarcasm was implied in what I said.

Originally posted by Veighnerg

I would love to see Tabula Rasa come back to life, albeit with some changes to improve gameplay to be more appealing to the masses.

 

I believe they could do two things to truly improve the play

1) Planetside 2 combat style. There were almost there anyway.

2) Let the Bane be a playable race. Incorperate that into the pvp

Originally posted by wizyy
...and if it was revived, 99% of those who are clamoring for it would quit again after a month.

And if it was revived again, sales would improve by 200 % (Hey making up numbers if fun!!!)

Originally posted by MindTrigger
This game died fair and square.  It shouldn't come back unless it's getting a complete revamp, IMO.

And sometimes it is simply the subscription model. Quite a few games have failed at 15 dollars a month but have succeeded as FTP.

I remember when Tabula Rasa came out, I was counting down the days, then I went to Game stop and asked for the game; they said "What's Tabula Rasa?"

If Game Stop didn't even know about the game up release day,  then there was horrible marketing.

There are other reasons besides 'being a bad game' that can cause a game to fail.

The Videos imply Wildstar will be  fun and light-hearted  sci-fi game. So not everyone will like it.

You can't please everyone so just make the game you want to make and hope there are those who enjoy it as well.

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

Originally posted by maplestone

Refresh my memory - how do I tell if I'm hardcore or casual?

 

If you enjoy a game and play because it's fun, then you are a casual. Having a job is a plus

 

If you play "to be better than the other baddie/carebear/wusses" then you are hardcore. Having a job excludes you unless you have insomnia and can get your 14 hours per day in.

If you enjoy instanced pvp where you opponents are just a numerous and powerful as you, you are a casual

If you and you ten buddies in full plate male enjoy killing noobs who are so weak they don't stand a chance, you are hard core.

It's all out there, if you like theme parks, if you like FFA full loot pvp there are games that exist in those styles.

Nothing is ruined, unlike when there were only three MMO's we have all the choice in the world.

Originally posted by ZombieKen

Originally posted by Grailer

[mod edit]

 

Old WoW (Vanilla) was decent fun, and plenty of adults played it, myself included. Many stayed through Burning Crusade.

 

The only thing that killed it for me was the "improvements".  When it became fast leveling, automatic cross-realm grouping, raid centric, and heavily phased long-arc storyline questing, it just didn't feel like the same game.

 

I would agree with much of that. I would add Daily quest as well. 

Originally posted by mikuniman

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

you were like the mom that stepped in and told the kids to shut up and act like adults..

the graphs are out and mathletes are posting, cya

Facts are ruining my rant!!!!

Originally posted by Theodwulf

What games should they clone? Ones that did real bad? The WoW formula has a huge success behind it.  The problem has been that the WoW clones have been cheap knock-offs of WoW. They have all of WoW's vices and none of it's virtues. WoW vanilla was a great game and it was commercially successful. Why the heck would you not want to copy that? (barring insanity or an overwhelming fear of victory).

 

  I gave up on WoW with Lich king, I will never return BUT no other game I have seen has managed this level of quality. Their worst is far better than everyone else's best. That is an indisputable fact. Most games since have had the single selling point, "We are NOT WoW" and have put forth crap.  The only thing that has saved WoW is the gross incompetence of ALL the competition. They listen far too much to the "Hardcore" niche market and can't figure out their failure.

 

  I'll say it again WoW vanilla was a great game that had universal appeal, feel free to clone it, BUT get it right.

I believe you are right, many games fail because they are just poorly made, not because no one likes WoW clones or no one likes sandboxes.

There are exceptions, like City of Heroes or Tabula Rasa and sometimes games just get old and outdated.

Originally posted by mikuniman
Myself, I don't wait or believe in an upcoming holy grail mmo. I just hope it entertains me and I got what I think was my money's worth. High expectations is what game titles want you to feel. Since you basically rent it anyway when it gets old you move on. Remember you stop liking it not the other way around. When a court jester stops entertaining his king, off with his head.

Jesters should probably form a union.

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Originally posted by superconducting

Well, you won't see anyone here disagreeing with you.... We are all SICK and tired of WOW clones

 

But for all our sake, I really hope you're wrong on ESO-- if that bombs I will have truly lost all hope for MMOs.

 

I already disagreed and so did others.

I don't agree about ESO. If it fails, it was because the Developers turned away from what made The Elders Scroll unique in favor of the Same old Same old.

If it fails it means MMO consumers are tired of the same and want something different. That is a good thing.

Originally posted by Dwarfman420

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by colddog04

Don't play them. Play one of the games that's not like WoW. Here are a few:

EVE

Darkfall

Planetside 2

Perpetuum

Fallen Earth

Ryzom

Anarchy Online

Lineage 2

Vindictus

Guild Wars

Age of Wushu

Ultima Online

Wizard 101

Asheron's Call 1/2

Xsyon

Wurm

Champions Online

APB: Reloaded

Vendetta Online

Pirates of the Burning Sea

Mortal Online

Dofus

Wakfu

What a terrible choice.

Well, yeah. If you don't like sandboxes and interesting game mechanics.

Most of those games aren't even sandboxes

And a lot of them are. I'm not sure what your point is. Is it that you don't like any of those games? Because you can always play something more similar to WoW or move out of the genre if they don't spark your interest.

I like some of those games but most aren't sandboxes including your baby darkfall. darkfall is ffa pvp, that does not equal a sandbox.

ffa pvp is not what defines a sandbox. If it did, Vangaurd Saga of heroes would have been a sandbox till they dropped their pvp server.

No levels but skills

Open world as opposed to level zones

End Game is not raiding or achievements

Those 3 to me spell sandbox

 

The problem is, no two people who champion sandboxes can seem to agree on what a sandbox is. Therefore no game is a sandbox.

However, a game doesn't have to be a Sandbox in order to break away from the MMO trends of the last five or six years. Just be different or unique in a specific way. Whether it is setting or combat or the way you do quests.

There are games that have broken from the "WoW Clone" mode but it seems that the loudest complainers against WoW clones don't want to play them either. 

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Star Trek Online is a WOW clone now? what?

And people look at me all crazy when i say Wildstar looks like WOW.

Well, you do have a character. And a storyline happening around you. And levels. And equipment. And ......

 

 

You mean it is a Pool of the Radiance clone?

Or a mario clone?

Or a donkey kong clone?

Does pong has a story line?

Good point, most of what we play can be traced back topen and paper DnD; and DnD can be traced back to Tolkien and LoTR's; And lord of the rings could be traced back to mythology.

I blame the GREEKS!!!

Originally posted by mikuniman
I think for the many people who post these topics must be tired of mmos in general. Thinking back 10 yrs ago there few mmo choices so you stuck with 1 mmo for the most part. Today with so many choices and lack of subs play style differs where you could play many. I know I've gotten some decent millage out of allot of titles from Coldogs list. OP and the like take a break play some fps or rpgs

I have to agree, People complain about "WoW clones"  but when you mention games that are different from WoW,  they claim they suck.

So if WoW and Wow clones suck and games that are not WoW clones suck... then you might as well just quit MMO's all together because that is all there is.

As for me, I make no claims that WoW is the best MMO in the universe. I simply played it because it was fun. When it stopped being fun, I quit. If I miss it I'll go back. I'll do the same for any MMO to be honest.

Play Secret world: 

Generic quests, No

Generic game world, No

WoW/DnD style leveling, (As in you go from level one to level two etc...) No

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On the whole I would agree with you. As someone has played WoW, when I took a break from WoW I wanted something different. If I want WoW I'll play WoW no a cheap knock-off.

Here are some games you should try:

EVE: space instead of fantasy, unique leveling system, hard core, sandbox

Darkfall UW: Haven't played this one but if it's like the original, first person it is miles away from WoW

Secret World: See above

GW2 (Not in most things but it takes a shot at getting rid of the trinity which is good, but hearts are just quest hubs where you automatically get the objectives when you enter the hub area)

Wurm: A sand box where if you cut down a tree it's gone, if you plant a tree it grows, build a house a road or whatever you want.