Originally posted by Po_gg

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Nyrujo

Now for the P2Win comments. I saw a few fan boys freak out about that comment and I hate to tell you fellas but it's true. Maybe you don't visit the Moors, I wouldn't after 6 years of the same PvP zone, but the monster players can buy everything via the online store. That's the perfect definition of pay 2 win.

Ho hum, so you don't like the game, fine you have not figured it out yet that Lotro is not about pvp, if you want to pvp there are far better games to do it in.  Every time I see someone whining about pay to win in Lotro, I see another poster who has no clue what they are talking about. 

Far from me to jump in the middle of a nice conversation :)

but I 'whined' earlier about "LotRO indeed took some steps towards pay-to-win in the last two years, but still is very far from it. (although it was enough for Turbine to erase the "convenience, not advantage" post from everywhere :) )"  and I still hold myself to it. If it's more comfortable to you we can call it 'pay to advantage' instead of pay to win, but the direction is pretty clear... and it's not even a bashing or whining, I love LotRO, and I don't participate the fight in the 'Moors, but that change has nothing to do with pve or pvp. Just a few clues what I'm talking about:   (I know, you said we have no clue, let's call it a list then)

-skeleton horse ("it's only convenience, for those who don't had the luck to get it from the chest") then

-tomes ("again only convenience, the drop rate is so low, we let the players to buy it") then

-250/+68% horses ("convenience for those, who don't want to gather enough reputation") then

-store only mounts ("it's only cosmetics... oh, you're a horse collector? lol, bad for you") then

-LI change, backed up with store-only Relic removal scroll (around that time erased they Patience's "convenience not advantage" line from everywhere, it was hardly only a convenience, there was an uproar on the forums as well)

After that I don't even followed the store, so I'm not sure in the order, but there came the

Premium barter wallet (true, they fixed it later for vip's),

statted gear (I know, only low-level, but not that is the importance, it's the option - now they can put any gear in the Store),

purchase-able crafting (hardly only a convenience, and again it opens the option to more advancements in the Store like other factions)

universal pots (don't mean the creep version) with higher boost than it's athelas / celebrant counterparts, and with only 20sec cd instead of 2min

and the latest xp changes (in crafting and festival) to establish the arrival of the xp-disabler in Store...

LOTRO is hardly pay to win game. You cannot buy raid gear, rare meta-deed titles or mounts in the shop.  Stat tomes are buyable on my server from AH for around 40 golds and relict removal scrolls for 100 gold- no big deal. Store only mounts have now only cosmetic value. War-steeds are far superior to normal mounts especially if you invest in agility or turn rate -then  they will behave like normal mounts.

My account is eligible for this promotion but is not active . It seems that mechanism is not functioning properly because my friends trial account was reactivated. SOE...

If  you want to try 21 day free trial version of EVE Online, send me a message with your e-mail. I have available 3 buddy keyes.

Guys, this was a funerary meal. Nothing more, nothin less.

Within five months swg has lost:  Millbarge, Undertoad and Adeptstrain. The end is near?

I agree with OP but this place is not the best to speaking about current state of SWG. The anger scale and frustration are so huge here that even Jedi with Force Persuasion will never convince anybody.