I was a little late to the game compared to most. I got it last weekend. I unsubbed 3 days later.

For me, it was just the absolute boredom I experienced. It's hard to put my finger on it. I mean, there was stuff to do, but it was completely uninteresting. Everything just felt... I dunno... clinical. Part of this could just be my preference for fantasy settings. I thought I might expand my horizons, since I like Star Wars, and since the game wasn't being developed by the same arm of Bioware that churned out that abomination, Dragon Age 2 I figured I'd give it a shot.

There just wasn't anything there to hook me. Nothing grabbed my attention and made me want to see what was coming up next. Games that I really enjoy have me anticipating playing them when I get off work. But I never felt that at all. I played a Republic Smuggler, because I favor the rogue archetype. I mean, how does one make the Han Solo class boring? Bioware sure pulled it off in spades, let me tell you!

I know people will tell me I should have tried other classes, but I count it as a mark against the game to make me play a class I don't enjoy just to get more interesting content. I don't want to be a jedi or Sith force user, mainly because it seems everyone else does. I don't like tanking or healing. What's left? Bounty Hunter? Too late to even try.

TOR pissed me off so bad, I've decided to resub to WoW to scratch my MMO itch. Oddly enough, I'm having a blast, and playing a Night Elf for the first time ever in almost 7 years of having the game.

Originally posted by jayarte

Originally posted by jonrd463

Okay, I'll bite. My sister got beat up by an ex-boyfriend many years ago. The guy was a real dirtbag and deserved the asskicking he got by myself, my brother, and two of our friends. We sent him to the hospital.

In no way whatsoever do I connect the use of spousal/domestic/girlfriend abuse in a metaphor to what happened to my sister. In no way do I relate that to people who love crappy games to a fault, besides the clear similarity between "But the game will get better, you'll see!" and "He doesn't mean to do it. He really loves me!"

Honestly, to hypersensitivity to this sort of thing is ridiculous. Want to fight spousal abuse? Get proactive with organizations that help the victims, or maybe become some kind of vigilante to mete justice upon the perpetrators. Just please, whatever you do, don't try to bring everyone else down to your level of hypersensitivity.

It used to be that a hallmark of good comedy is that someone, somewhere is going to be offended by it. Now it seems to be a roadblock.

"Hypersensitivity"?  Did you find anything amusing in your sister being beaten up?  Do you find anything amusing in anyone being beaten up, for that matter?  Sorry, I've always been this way, even as a child I found it impossible to find the humour in "jokes" which involve cruelty/violence/stereotyping. 

It's not a "holier than thou" attitude, believe me, it's just that I literally don't find it funny and can't understand why people do.

 

p.s.  I wouldn't want other people to react the way I do, it's not much fun being acutely sensitive (huge understatement), but it's a shame you see my post as an attempt to "bring everyone else down to [my] level of hypersensitivity". 

 

No, I don't find anything amusing about my sister getting beat up, but I don't connect that event to every mention of abuse, regardless of context. Now, if we were talking about MMO players who beat their spouse because of game time interruptions or something like that, I'd be first in line with a baseball bat to give the jerk a little medicine. But we're not talking about that, are we?

Hypersensitivity was perhaps too strong a word. Of course people should be vigilant about actual cases of abuse, but that doesn't mean you can't borrow a word as an overexaggeration for emphasis. For example, it's common to see people say they "raped someone/ got raped by someone" in a game to emphasize the fact that they either beat or got beaten by someone in some form of competition in a major way, but that doesn't mean they've suddenly nullified the severity of the actual, honest to goodness crime of forced sexual assault on a real person.

It's all about seperating the real from the allegorical. If you (and by "you", I mean people in general) can't do that, then... well, oversensitivity and even hypersensitivity is going to be the norm.

Bottom line? Relax. It's a joke.

Okay, I'll bite. My sister got beat up by an ex-boyfriend many years ago. The guy was a real dirtbag and deserved the asskicking he got by myself, my brother, and two of our friends. We sent him to the hospital.

In no way whatsoever do I connect the use of spousal/domestic/girlfriend abuse in a metaphor to what happened to my sister. In no way do I relate that to people who love crappy games to a fault, besides the clear similarity between "But the game will get better, you'll see!" and "He doesn't mean to do it. He really loves me!"

Honestly, to hypersensitivity to this sort of thing is ridiculous. Want to fight spousal abuse? Get proactive with organizations that help the victims, or maybe become some kind of vigilante to mete justice upon the perpetrators. Just please, whatever you do, don't try to bring everyone else down to your level of hypersensitivity.

It used to be that a hallmark of good comedy is that someone, somewhere is going to be offended by it. Now it seems to be a roadblock.

Two things-

1. If you're offended by any of those AS THEY RELATE TO PERSONALITIES IN THE GAME, my bet is that you're one of them and in serious denial.

2. If you're offended by the allusion to spousal abuse, you really need a sense of humor. OF COURSE real, honest to God spousal abuse is abhorrent, but getting offended by it's use as an intentionally exaggerated metaphor that describes behavior that is very similar to battered wife syndrome just smacks of a real need to turn off the "I MUST BE OFFENDED BY SOMETHING TODAY!" reflex people seem to be born with lately.

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by jonrd463

@ArcheAge (the poster) WHAT GAME IS THAT!?!!? Seriously, I don't care if it's made in Madagascar by a troupe of trained lemurs, that thing looks gorgeous!

View Info on the images has the acronym dnl in the filenames.

Huh... Some Googling turned up Dark & Light 2. I'd heard of the first one, but never paid it much mind. Graphically at least, ver. 2 is looking stellar.

@ArcheAge (the poster) WHAT GAME IS THAT!?!!? Seriously, I don't care if it's made in Madagascar by a troupe of trained lemurs, that thing looks gorgeous!

I was doing a Google search on good soloable MMOs and this thread popped up. I know it's old, but I really wanted to comment on something that was said earlier in it: that solo players have ruined MMOs.

I disagree completely. Setting aside the very valid reasons for soloing, such as time constraints and the desire for a little more freedom in gameplay pace, a HUGE reason why I choose to solo is because of bad groups. I'm not talking about skill, however. I'm talking attitude. Get a group of people together, and at least one person or more will succomb to the Greater Internet F**kwad Theory. Control freaks, sociopaths, and idiots that have absolutely no ability to relate with other human beings have completely killed any desire for me to group. I haven't seen a raid since Molten Core was all the rage, nor do I want to if it means having to deal with the results of some crappy parents' lack of ability to raise a kid.

Don't blame the people who choose to take the loner path for ruining your MMO. Blame the jackasses that helped push those people in that direction.

Any quest that tells me to go harvest organs or body parts off of an animal that should have have said organs or body parts in order to f***ing exist, yet has a 25% drop rate can go die in a fire. I'm looking at you, Goretusk livers.

Regarding the world, is it pretty open a la Elder Scrolls? The reason I ask is that in the older gameplay demos from the gaming shows, the minimap shows what basically amounts to an outdoor corridor. I'd like to know if the player has the ability to pick a direction and just wander off the beaten path.

Didn't have time to read most of the other comments, so maybe this point has already been made. If not, here it goes.

The problem as I see it is that there seems to be a growing number of people who hate the RPG aspect of the MMORPG genre and just play for the MMO part. Think about it... one of the biggest complaints I see is how people hate questing. Questing is to RPGs as reading is to books. Unfortunately, both seem to be lost on a big chunk of newcomers to the genre, because they both hate quests and hate reading. I'm not saying that most of the people here are like that, but there are a very vocal few who would make you think otherwise.

Myself, I wouldn't have a problem with covering a worthy RPG here now and again. I'm just not seeing much in the way of "worthy RPGs" in the near term. All the cited big names are just dumbed down hybrid action games wrapped in an RPG cloak, but that's a different argument for a different article, I suppose.

Originally posted by mCalvert

I sense a bit too many roleplaying elements, but most of it sounds good so far.

 

I know, right? I hate it when roleplaying games do that.

/sarcasm

Originally posted by Xondar123

Also fuck every EVE player that boughrt a shitty, overpriced, fake, virtual monocle. You're helping sink EVE by shitting all over the game. The least you could have done was curb your purchasing impulses until CCP became much more reasonable about the whole thing.

I read a thread on the EVE forum where some people are making it corp policy to refuse membership to anyone with RMT items, and even going so far as to wardec and make KOS anyone wearing a monocle. I thought that was pretty funny.

I wouldn't mind seeing what CD Projekt Red could come up with for a MMO. Considering they, figuratively speaking of course, ripped out Bioware's still beating heart, took a bite out of it, curbstomped their head to the pavement, and had a good wank over its steaming corpse with The Witcher 2, expanding on that world might be interesting. However, CDPR is still a young company, so I don't think they'd risk an MMO venture yet, since they've taken Bioware's single player mantle away with a cocky grin.

Originally posted by EduardoASG

all arrows beeing shot glow ( we all know arrows when shot in real life glow right? ), all melee slashes leave an white flashign trail behind ( everyone can test it with just a butter knife, swinging it aorund in the air and watching in awe the amount of  white trails left behind  together with the shhhhh sounds of course ).. etc etc..

I know, right? I mean, this is supposed to be a game grounded on realism, not some magical romp through a fantasy land. And what's with those cat people? C'mon! Cat people don't exist. They're COMPLETELY MADE UP! Nothing ruins a game for me like having a bunch of made up stuff in it. And don't get me started on the use of magic, I mean HELLO! Magic doesn't exist!

/sarcasm

Wow. Darkfall is so... brown.

Originally posted by dirtyjoe78

if you are looking to test raw processing power Microsofts Flight Sim X brought systems to their knees worse than crysis ever did.

That's because it wasn't programmed to take advantage of multiple cores. They patched it to sort of fix it, but it's still extremely processor heavy in the graphics department. The game was made right before the gigahertz race gave way to multicore development. It was assumed that 4 and 5 ghz machines would be the norm through Flight Sim X's lifecycle, so it was programmed to rely on clock speed. MS got a ton of egg in their face on that one.

I am amused you suggested this, though. Back in the old days of 286's and 386's, MS Flight Sim was the benchmark. "Yeah, but can it run Flight Sim?" was a common question.

There is one thing that could be changed in TERA that would make me more excited about it. Animations for the female characters. As of now, they run like pubescent girls on a playground, and their idle standing pose looks like mannequins at Saks Fifth Avenue. While one can throw the "It's fantasy! Duh!" argument around to a certain extent, some things need to make a little sense. Adventurers, regardless of gender, should be at the very least atheletic in poise and movement. I never thought I'd ever use such a dreadful show like Xena as an example, but at least the character had a demeanor about her that let you know she was serious. Most of the videos I've seen featured a female PC, and the only thing I ever took away from them was "My god, she runs like a dandy!"

I personally don't mind the overall Asian anime style in a game, but that just goes above and beyond for me. ArcheAge looks like it's staying away from that fashion model approach and I'm looking forward to seeing that one released. I was excited about TERA when I found out it was getting westernized (to a point), but unless the overall reviews after release tell of an outstanding game, I'll be keeping away from it.

I'd been debating never buying anything with "EA" stamped on it for some time. Dragon Age 2 sealed the deal. They are truly the destroyer of what were once decent developers.

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

How is his opinion skewed and wrong? He states he doesn't like the Asian artstyle in mmos and then goes on to list parts of said artstyle which he doesn't like. He isn't asking for all mmos to be made in a western style and he isn't saying Asians are any worse or better then any westerners, he is simply stating that such an artsyle is not for him.

 

Are you going to tell me next that if someone doesn't happen to like the colour green, but you do, that his disliking of the colour green is both a skewed and wrong opinion?

 

Personally certain aspects of the current standard Asian style we see in mmos puts me off as well, whilst it's not for me I can fully appreciate that it is what countless amounts of other people enjoy. But I guess that means little, simply the fact that I don't personally like a specific 'style' means I am an uninformed, xenophobic monster.

Saying that every asian developed MMO is the same, having little girls, picachu characters, pandas, and large men in trench coats wielding an oversized sword is a skewed and misinformed opinion.

To answer your question: no, and you draw a terrible example.

You prefer what you prefer. It doesn't make you an uninformed xenophobe until you start hate mongering in threads relating to foreign developed MMOs to vehemently argue obvious differences of preferences with weak stabs to illustrate your point of view. 

You are taking this way too personal. You're also creating one hell of a strawman here based on one person's well-stated opinion. If you're ego is so fragile that anything negative said against your personal lord and savior at the moment sends you into a spittle flinging rage and overblown accusations like "hate mongering", perhaps you need to step back and examine your priorities.

Political Correctness... the bane of free thought everywhere.

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

For me its because of the whole little girls with giggly voices, pandas, picachu looking characters wandering around, the usual very large man in a trench coat with a small head, the ganjin type with long hair and a nineteen foot long sword. Its all very childlike and yet not at the same time.

Every game is the same, and the whole little girl thing is disturbing. Yes I know its their culture, I respect that. But it isn't part of our culture so its much harder to accept as the norm.

Its got nothing to do with the console they sell us, or super mario etc. Thats totally unrelated. Its about the MMO's. Its accepted that they are having to change them to suit the western market, its just how things are. Its not hate, its difference. Step down from the racism podium please.

Hint: it's a fantasy game. You know, where concepts and ideas created are imaginary and stuff in-game does not attempt to reflect real life. Just because someone's concepts don't jibe with yours closed-minded philosophy of the "normal" MMORPG universe doesn't mean they should have to change a damn thing about the game. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

If you're that narrow-minded about stuff like this, then maybe you should reconsider playing video games altogether.

So basically what youre saying is, I have to like everything. If I dont like Asian themed games Im closed minded and narrow minded...

I didn't once say they had to change a thing about their game either. Pretty much sick of posts on this site where people don't read properly and make up a fictional post in their own mind. Neither did I say I had to buy it, Im capable of making that choice myself.

Basically Ive made a post in response to a few others views saying Im not keen on the Asian theme, which is what this site is for, exchanging opinions about new games etc. Just because my opinion doesn't "jibe" with yours, doesnt mean Im somehow in the wrong. You've obviously taken it personally, are you Asian by any chance..?

The problem lies with you. I disagree with your opinion, and you don't like it. If I don't love everything, Im wrong. Think about something you don't like, are you narrow minded because of it? Hmm...

Nope, I didn't say you had to like everything, you can stop with rephrasing, I was pretty clear. I said you were closed-minded for being unable to accept that there are different fantasy styled MMORPGs and you insist that the game should be changed to suit your taste.

Does it matter whether or not I am asian? Does it change your opinion? Are you a skinhead nazi? Closet racist by chance? 

You can dislike asian developed MMOs all you want, and by all means stay away from Tera - I wouldn't want you there anyhow.

I'm gonna go with AndyPreston on this. It really doesn't matter what the theme of the art design is, if a person doesn't like it, they don't like it. He's got every right to voice his opinion on it. When you're talking about visual media, how it looks is just as important as how it plays. If someone were to make the most amazing RPG system for a computer game the gaming world has ever seen, with the caveat that all of the characters are actually walking and talking turds, I wouldn't play it.

Of course, if you want to play the freedom of speech angle here, I suppose you have every right to feel the way you do about AndyPreston based on his opinion, just like I have every right to feel like you're a complete douche for your ridiculous responses to him.