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What most people want generally does not mean that it is the best option or direction. I would sieze the opportunity to have some input, niklasboelter is a nice chap and fairly approachable. To encourage people to move from the dice crap to "role" playing, perhaps it would be a good idea to talk to him about a feature in MyPlane for creating a character profile including things like "career", "home city", you know, break it down into points that can be filled out like a Facebook profile. It would certainly be a start.

I think niklasboelter's post stating that he's not interested in making it a "hall of fame"  and that he wants to implement roleplay supporting features into MyPlane speaks some volumes though. Perhaps contacting him with ideas could be helpful.

Not every FOSS developer is some fat American with no life. Knowing several of the developers, I can say that they're a range of people ranging from computer coding students, and professionals from the various industries that are associated with the parts of the game they work for.

My other main point for this thread is that there is a devoted community to this game. Why let it die if people are still enjoying the game? That's why the developers are making the game. Seems illogical to kill a project achieving its goals. I would also like to point out that there are (at least) two projects using the PlaneShift engine to make their own, entirely seperate, games. To hit the killswitch on PlaneShift would also choke these fledgling projects.

Specifically to the thread starter: Perhaps you should look a little into statistics before writing drivel, you just sound like an uninformed tool.

Say, what's your opinion on the new MyPlane release?

I find it amusing that you are so anti-PlaneShift yet your sig shows a fair amount of devotion to the game.

Fail, my map was included, after I did the "necessary changes" as according to the director.

 

What hacked me off most was the fact that when i submitted the map, with modern shaders like normal mapping, etc, these were not included, and the reason given was that "putting normal maps on some things but not others will make the game look bad". I took this to mean "We don't want a diamond in our turd, so we're turdifying the diamond in the hope nobody takes a sniff". Hence the map looked terrible. Perhaps you should look further into things before deciding the person you're not liking the post of is insane and trying to focus the thread on himself



[11:09] <@Talad|ZzZ> Taoki: anyway you should not be scared by RP servers
[11:09] <@Talad|ZzZ> in WoW the RP servers are worst than the non-RP ones :)

Another golden quote from Talad. Here he's talking to a player who joined PlaneShift's non-RP server, because the player has no interest in roleplay. The player mentioned that the non-RP server is basically empty, this was Talad's response. Speaks volumes.

Moar golden quotes:



[10:25] <@Talad|ZzZ> we are PlaneShift, we don't fear anyone
[10:25] <@Talad|ZzZ> we have changed the life of thousands of people, Xoel included
[10:25] <@Talad|ZzZ> we = the team

I'm pretty sure I'm pretty much the same now as I was before I came across PlaneShift. Perhaps a little less naive. Any other change certainly wasn't for the better. Considering before I joined PS two years ago no one had EVER called me a hater ;)



Originally posted by Boaal
Then why exactly do they keep updateing to another version of crystal space every so often, when they have their own engine, as you say? 
They don't.  Even if they did, you can't take someone else's engine, add something to it, and say "Oh shit, now it's mine". it doesn't work that way. If it was their engine, they'd simply update their engine. But as it's Crystal Space they update, it's Crystal space they use.  To claim the engine as their own they'd have to build it from the ground up. They have not, it is not. 


The PlaneShift engine is built on the Crystal Space engine, but uses PAWS as it's GUI system, PSNet for networking, etc.

In other words, Talad picked up a spongecake, added some icing, and doesn't want anyone to enjoy the icing.

Crystal Space and PlaneShift (engine) are not one and the same. PlaneShift has more added to it.

Boaal, dear sir, look in the "IRC Rules" thread on this General Discussion forum, and you'll notice that there's a lovely log there where Talad claims a competition project "stole" his resources, and when someone in channel asks if he is referring to the engine he affirms this, then goes on to say that the engine is for PlaneShift, (and PlaneShift only, by extension).

Tbh it's just another token "We listen to players" thing. Like the citycontests, and other art contests, EVERYTHING hinges on the director's final approval of anything that is created as a result of the community project. Just like anything else in PlaneShift.

I've personally wasted hundreds upon hundreds of hours changing my own 3D creative mapwork for an area in PlaneShift, just because the director wanted it so. Then he turned off all normal mapping in the map because he didn't want some parts looking better than other parts. So I wasted 9 months of my spare time making a map that I wanted to look brilliant, because it turned into a bland, boring piece of crap.

I love that in another project I now develop for, I'm free to work at making assets how I want them to be. The people in charge there advise me and assist in making the art as best as it can be, but at the end of the day, they aren't saying "Change this, make it all my way", they say "check this idea out, I think it would fit well here".

My latest map is MY project, not a rendition of someone else's dream. Which is all PlaneShift will ever be unless drastic changes happen.

Kaylor,s you only started playing PS "a few days ago".... interestingly enough, your post is written like a true PSnoob. You're very unexperienced in the true nature of PlaneShift. Perhaps it is you who should take your signature's advice. Nobody likes inexperienced newbie reviews tbh, wait a year or three (I played two years) and you'll see. Try talking about any of your previous FTP games in the chat channel, there's social controls to prevent players sharing information about "competition".

Also, as a final note, please don't diss OpenSource by saying PlaneShift is OpenSource. Here's why:

1) The engine is the only OpenSource part of PlaneShift. The bare engine. Art, combat scripting, item database, quests, ingame settings, etc etc are ALL proprietary, so that no one can fork PlaneShift and put power in nicer people's hands.

2) The engine documentation has now been made proprietary and non-public. This means in order to get any of it, you'll have to befriend Talad. And he's not going to help you if your team contains any people who used to play/dev PS and left because of his behaviour.

3) According to Talad (the director), using the PlaneShift engine without his express consent and blessing constitutes STEALING. It's all in another thread about the IRC channel. So much for the nature of OpenSource, huh?

So, Kaylors, perhaps it is best if you read around and see what everyone is saying before posting based on "a few days" experience.

No.

 

But it does have a musical flushing toilet.

The topic is still the same, but now " | tail chopping hour" has been added to the end.

I'm not even going to ask what that means.

Oh UtMoon, how I loathe, hate and absolutely adore you at the same time ;)

Originally posted by Talad

The PlaneShift team denies all these false claims and is focused on building the game more than answering to those trolling kids. If you want to see what PlaneShift is, play the game, meet the devs, and you will have a different view.

Are you denying that you said all the things I quoted?

Are you denying the claim that PlaneShift has the exact line in it's IRC channel, stating that speaking about "competitor projects" is not allowed?

Are you denying that you have also made it an unspoken forum rule at PlaneShift's forums http://hydlaaplaza.com/smf/ , with this as my evidence? 

Also, would you deny that this PM is in breach of PlaneShift's own forum policies which state that a user will first be warned, and if they do not adhere to the warning the signature will be changed forcibly (mine was changed forcibly, no warning as the policy states, let alone my signature did not breach the forum rules)?

 

Also would you please stop claiming that "the team" is the target of my "attacks". I've made it clear you're the problem. As I said rather recently, PlaneShift could do with a good PR team to clean up all of these messes you make. Or they could simply get a better leader who doesn't try to sweep problems under the carpet in a blind dash to get the game "finished".

 

Finally, as I stated before, and since the director cannot read, my brother being banned was the last straw. Until I left the team I was bound by the terms of the NDA licence PlaneShift has, forcing their developers to all agree to the public views of the director. Let me also note that my brother has a mental disability, intended for his actions to be interpreted as that of an in-character thief, and was told by the PlaneShift Game Master team that what he did was intentionally griefing other players, which brought upon him a serious amount of distress. I have discussed this with many Game Masters and come to a peace with them over that, as myself and the Game Masters agree that whilst the action was not intentionally griefing, a strong message needed to be sent to other players that such an action hurt other players and needed to be prevented from happening again.

Here's what happened when the director found this thread:



[10:31] * Haraun_ (~Haraun@p54A4B641.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit ( Quit: You Sir Are Not RP In The Slightest )
[10:31] <Mishka> yo drey
[10:31] <@Talad> cool
[10:32] <@Talad> seems it's not possible to do a discussion in here without the usual trolls to report it
[10:32] <@Talad> http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/30/view/forums/thread/291222/page/1#3790748
[10:32] <@Talad> that's the beauty of being open to discussions
[10:33] <Xoel|work> "open to discussions"....
[10:33] <@Talad> who is ChuckiSpux ?
[10:33] <Xoel|work> I think the real question is, who isn't ChuckiSpux.
[10:34] <@Talad> well, I guess it's you or Vakachehk
[10:34] <Mishka> "Facism is dead and isn't going to attract players." <== wow, that's serious
[10:34] <Xoel|work> Guessing or assuming is not a smart tactic in life.
[10:35] <@Talad> I'm asking in fact
[10:35] <@Talad> but seems someone is too scared to tell who he is
[10:36] <Xoel|work> Besides, "ChuckiSpux" said he worked on PlaneShift, Vakachehk never worked on PlaneShift. "ChuckiSpux" said he works on TA. It could be any of the many many devs you lost to TA.
[10:36] <@Talad> Mishka: you know Tuxide and Link ?
[10:36] <Mishka> Not too much
[10:36] <Xoel|work> Anyway, gotta run to work and do a shift.
[10:36] <Dohmo> Yeah, that facist Talad even posted the link here so you couldn't read it.
[10:36] <@Talad> Xoel|work: nice to see you joined the liars band
[10:36] <@Talad> same stile
[10:36] <@Talad> *style
[10:37] * DAudioLink (~annony@74-132-217-128.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #planeshift
[10:37] <@Talad> now you are in the best team ever, Link , Tuxide and you!
[10:37] <@Talad> very cool
[10:37] <@Talad> congratulations
[10:37] <Dohmo> Silly stuff people post...facist indeed.. :O
[10:37] <Xoel|work> Yeah, I noticed Link's been lurking, he never talks though.
[10:37] <@Talad> well, I guess I will talk less as well
[10:38] <@Talad> to avoid giving the haters like you some food
[10:38] * Talad sets mode +b *!*@planeshift/prospect/Xoel for #planeshift
[10:38] * DAudioLink (~annony@74-132-217-128.dhcp.insightbb.com) Quit ( Client Quit )
[10:38] ->> Xoel|work was kicked from #planeshift by Talad(~myself@planeshift/director/Talad) Reason (go hate in another place, thanks.)
[10:38] <Dohmo> Good job, Talad.
[10:38] == DAudioLink [~annony@74-132-217-128.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #planeshift
[10:39] == Aljuvialle [~Aljuviall@213.251.194.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[10:39] <@Talad> he was praising me 3 weeks ago
[10:39] <@Talad> got his char having Talad as god
[10:39] <Tucos> not really that good of a job
[10:39] <@Talad> and telling everyone how good we were
[10:39] <Dohmo> I know he was.
[10:39] <@Talad> then Vakachehk got banned, and he started to hate PS and us
[10:39] <@Talad> that's silly
[10:39] <Mishka> he's convinced of his reaons
[10:39] <@Talad> 3 weeks, complete turn back
[10:39] <Mishka> and stubborn
[10:39] <Mishka> veeeery stubborn
[10:40] <DAudioLink> Mishka!!!!
[10:40] <@Talad> well, he may be convinced, but such a turnback is just ridiculous
[10:40] <@Talad> anyway I guess we had 2 historical haters before
[10:40] <@Talad> we may have 3 now
[10:40] * DAudioLink hugs Mishka and then jumps into a lurker cave
[10:40] <@Talad> considering we had around 700.000 people trying PS, it's a pretty low percentage :)
[10:40] <Mishka> I'm jumping too, DAudioLink?
[10:41] <DJDAL> Only if you lurk
[10:41] <Dohmo> They'll come and they'll go. I don't get the effort put into it.
[10:42] == DJDAL has changed nick to DAL|Desktop
[10:44] == Venalan [9798652c@planeshift/gamemaster/venalan] has joined #planeshift
[10:44] == mode/#planeshift [+v Venalan] by ChanServ
[10:49] <Vakachehk> Because my ban was very unreasonable as it has no statement in the Planeshift rules, and all that we could find about it is IC punishments which we told GMs we would want it to go IC but they disagreed, and refused to.
[10:50] <@Talad> Vakachehk, and is that a reason to then hate the game?
[10:50] <@Talad> and spam forums with trolling posts?
[10:51] <Tucos> of course
[10:51] <Vakachehk> No, but they are not trolling post we sent in a complaint to HaniX about Ingles response and we got "I back Ingles up" so last place is Complaints Department




And later...


[11:15] <@Talad> also I will say that the people who don't like PS should not sit in this channel
[11:15] <@Talad> this channel is a "fan" channel
[11:15] <@Talad> made for people who want to support our game and our development
[11:16] <@Talad> should not a place where devs have to avoid becuase then trolls will go and post things all over out of context.
[11:16] <@RlyDontKnow> I love how you say such things out of nowhere :D
[11:16] <@Talad> *should not be a place devs have to avoid becuase then trolls will go and post things all over out of context.
[11:16] <@Talad> it's referred to the above discussion
[11:16] <@Talad> just half an hour ago
[11:18] == ravna [~soi@planeshift/program/associate/Ravna] has quit [Quit: Sayonara]
[11:20] <@RlyDontKnow> Vakachehk: complaint department was clearly not the last place to go to
[11:20] <@RlyDontKnow> we have 3 directos, so you don't have to stop at the gm team leader if it was soooooo unreasonable
[11:20] <Vakachehk> 3?
[11:20] <@RlyDontKnow> and in any case complaint department is *never* even to be considered
[11:21] <Vakachehk> Then why have a complaints department?
[11:21] <@RlyDontKnow> we don't have a public place to announce or bans - be reasonable enough to not cry about yours then and just accept it like everyone else
[11:21] <@RlyDontKnow> *our
[11:21] <Vakachehk> I will not just accept it
[11:22] <Vakachehk> It was unreasonable, far to long ban time, not dealt with correctly
[11:22] <@RlyDontKnow> did you see vvally cry that much? he was banned for a *lot* less
[11:22] <Vakachehk> so why on earth should I have to do everything right if they cant?
[11:23] <@RlyDontKnow> the ban is definetely understandable
[11:23] <@RlyDontKnow> if you didn't even recognized what you did wrong, yet, it's definetely too short
[11:23] <Vakachehk> no it isn't.
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[11:24] <Vakachehk> If I wanted to grieve people then why the heck would I be so dumb as to do it on the same IP address, pick up off the floor and not closets, bother RPing a bad alt??
[11:25] <Vakachehk> obviously I am not dumb and I was wanting it to be RPed and that is why I didn't just delete the character
[11:26] <@RlyDontKnow> it's been discussed enough by now, hasn't it? just leave it be
[11:26] <Vakachehk> But no GMs are to unreasonable to even let me be unban to do my event that I had to cancel
[11:27] <@RlyDontKnow> really... just accept the ban
[11:28] <Vakachehk> No because obviously, this won't be dealt with for future players
[11:29] <@RlyDontKnow> well, cry as much as you want then, but don't wonder if you get a forum ban in the end as well o_O
[11:29] <@RlyDontKnow> pretty much everything about it has already been said at least twice on the forum
[11:30] <Vakachehk> 1) Ingles never discussed whether my actions were IC or not, they assumed they weren't. 2) Ingles banned me without even letting me say my side of the story. I bet Vally was discussed. 3) I went to HaniX and the same thing.
[11:30] <@Talad> Vakachehk: the discussion on this event has been very deep
[11:30] <@Talad> we took the action needed, by restoring the items, and setting the ban
[11:31] <@Talad> the ban will expire in ... 10 days now?
[11:31] <Vakachehk> 4) I go on IRC they tell me to stay calm, Ingles had to sart the first smart comment
[11:31] <Vakachehk> 29th of September I believe
[11:31] <@Talad> all the point you wrote now are known, and public on the forums
[11:31] <@Talad> so we know what you think
[11:31] <@Talad> and you know what we think
[11:31] <@Talad> that has been the decision
[11:31] <Mishka> Vakachehk, cut it off. You'll get to nowhere.
[11:32] <@Talad> you can play again in 10 days
[11:32] <@Talad> I understand can be though to wait, but please just wait those days
[11:32] <Mishka> And sincerely, I thought I was safe and away from all this here…
[11:33] <Vakachehk> 5) There is nothing -nothing- about robbing GHs, the only thing I have read is in the Octarchy Decree and something Ingles said about on guild forums which was IC also. SO why was my actions dealt with ICly?
[11:33] <Vakachehk> And that is what I am doing Talad
[11:33] <@Talad> good, then we are ok.
[11:34] <@Talad> "There is nothing -nothing- about robbing GHs"
[11:34] <@Talad> wrong
[11:34] <@Talad> there are a lot of policies in making the game fun for others
[11:34] <Vakachehk> But, I would heavily say do not ban someone for robbing a GHs if you have not writen rules about it
[11:34] <@Talad> and not ruining it for others
[11:34] <@Talad> we considered that act to be into that category
[11:34] <@Talad> because dozens of people collected those items with care and dedication
[11:35] <@Talad> and got robbed
[11:35] <Vakachehk> robbed ICly
[11:35] <@Talad> so we considered it to be "spoiling their game experience"
[11:35] <Vakachehk> so should of been dealt with ICly
[11:35] <@Talad> yes, even IC
[11:35] <@Talad> could, not should
[11:35] <Vakachehk> but it wasn't it was dealt with OOCly
[11:36] <Vakachehk> no should
[11:36] <@Talad> then IC-OOC is a different discussion
[11:36] <@Talad> as said that's the decision taken and the reasons
[11:36] <@Talad> you may disagree
[11:36] <@Talad> but still that's it
[11:36] <Vakachehk> When I came on IRC after my ban I told them my full story and how it was IC but no
[11:38] <@RlyDontKnow> Vakachehk: seriously... it's even part of the tutorial
[11:38] <@RlyDontKnow> there's nothing wrong with being a baddie ingame, but don't do stuff just to make others mad
[11:38] <@RlyDontKnow> and cleaning out a gh clearly is
[11:38] <Vakachehk> That is what a baddy does isn't it?
[11:39] <@RlyDontKnow> cause you're such a known baddie?
[11:39] <Vakachehk> baddies do*
[11:39] <Vakachehk> Vieg is
[11:39] <Vakachehk> Vakachehk had nothing to do with it
[11:40] <Dohmo> Then Vakachehk shouldn't talk about it so much if he has nothing to do with it.
[11:40] <Vakachehk> Vakachehk + Vieg = same OOC person
[11:40] <@RlyDontKnow> how long do you have that alt
[11:40] <@RlyDontKnow> ?
[11:40] <Vakachehk> 6 months
[11:41] <Vakachehk> Tessra/Teshia, Glaciusor, Chessire, Sangwa, Dannae, Roberet and all The Dark Empire members know me
[11:42] <Vakachehk> I had robbed Stashka (Think that's his name) dunno if he knows me though
[11:42] <Vakachehk> Enonel/Fesso knows me
[11:42] <Mishka> Feso
[11:42] <Mishka> And add Kaharro :P
[11:42] <Mishka> XD
[11:42] <Vakachehk> a lot of people know Vieg as bad and Keig as the innocent menki :P
[11:42] <Vakachehk> Kaharro?
[11:43] <Mishka> Mish knows Keig
[11:43] <Mishka> Jecewie's bf
[11:43] <Mishka> Jece is my alt
[11:43] <Vakachehk> The name sounds familiar
[11:43] <Mishka> which one? Jece or Kah?
[11:43] <Vakachehk> ohh yes I think she's the one Xoel told me about
[11:43] <Vakachehk> Kah
[11:43] <Mishka> ?
[11:44] <Mishka> he told you about who? I'm lost
[11:44] <Vakachehk> Kaharro sounds like a person who accused Akaiddo of telling a GM to make a rogue more powerful to kill them
[11:44] <Vakachehk> But probably isn't them
[11:45] <Mishka> Kaharro = Enonel
[11:45] <Vakachehk> ok no
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A PlaneShift forum account was also banned for linking this in their signature (The director's username on wikipedia).

Note that I nor any of the people who so far have posted here have a major hate on PlaneShift as the director claims, but rather on his leadership style and treatment and abuse of the OpenSource licence and ideals. Our issue is with him, not the game team as he claims. As I have stated before, many members of the PlaneShift development team work on Tempest in the Aether too, a fact that the director repeatedly calls a lie.

He also seems to confuse In-Character and Out-Of-Character (which are used alot in the PlaneShift role-playing server). He thought that because a character in the game worshipped the in-game god "Talad" (whom he named himself after) the player therefore worshipped him, or at least thought highly of him. He therefore thinks he is this god?

In one respect he is right. Until three weeks ago when I left PlaneShift I had not spoken out publically against him. However, that is because PlaneShift has an exclusive clause in their licencing/non-disclosure-agreement saying that lower level developers are not to argue with higher level developers in public.... and as it has been made obvious, arguing with him in any way shape or form leads to a quick booting from the community.

As a final note: He says that there are two, now three "historical haters". He leaves out a long list of developers who left PlaneShift and created/joined the "blacklisted projects" because of issues with him. Most of these people don't have any problems with the PlaneShift project, but with Talad himself.

To Talad, I know you're watching this thread, I'm still in your channel. You'll never find me, until you ban them all. ;)

Hi all,
 
As someone who worked on PlaneShift, and now on Tempest in the Aether (and worked on both at the same time for quite a few months) all I can say is that this rule sickens me. The director is more than happy to use the Open Source licence and ideals to make his project look good, but has no understanding nor care for the Open Source and what it stands for.
 



[21:20] <@Talad> [10:46] <Vakachehk> I won't be suprised if TA gets more art and coding done in a year than PS has in 10
[21:21] <@Talad> Vakachehk: advertizing competitor projects is not allowed in here
[21:21] <@Talad> and anyway about 5 months passed and they didn't write a single line of code
[21:21] <@Talad> just that you know
[21:24] <@Talad> that's a failed project, like all spin offs created by hate
[21:24] <@Talad> a project should be created by vision, not by hate
[21:26] <Millian|facepalm> wot?
[21:33] <Xoel|Banhammah> Technically, isn't saying NO DISCUSSING COMPETITORS a bit hateful?
[21:34] <Xoel|Banhammah> And I wouldn't say that TA was created by hate, it was created by "Oh damn, I got nothing to do, might as well make my own game project."
[21:41] <@Talad> it's not hateful is a rule
[21:41] <@Talad> this channel is dedicated to PS
[21:41] <@Talad> and to its development
[21:42] <@Talad> phrases meant to discredit PS are not well accepted
[21:43] <@Talad> plus TA was created in secrecy and backstabbing PS
[21:43] <@Talad> and it's officially a PS blacklisted project
[21:43] <Xoel|Banhammah> One could argue that if there was more acceptance, then talking about TA wouldn't bring up things seen as discrediting to PS.
[21:44] <Xoel|Banhammah> "PS blacklisted"... that sounds worse than what that poor GM said to me about "all players must enjoy PlaneShift"
[21:44] <@Talad> there will be no acceptance of a project made of people that insulted PS and its members multiple times
[21:44] <@Talad> of people that spammed dozens of sites with falsity just to discredit us
[21:45] <@Talad> and I'm speaking of Tuxide to start with
[21:45] <Xoel|Banhammah> I don't see the sanity in "blacklisting" a project that half your own devs (some of them no longer a part of PS) work on.
[21:45] <@Talad> I'm just waiting TA to get also Link in their ranks
[21:45] <@Talad> the list of devs on TA is a joke
[21:45] <@Talad> nearly none of them is working on it for real
[21:46] <@Talad> but anyway when they will have a great game I guess we will hear about it on?
[21:46] <@Talad> *no?
[21:46] <Xoel|Banhammah> And yet all of them are registered on the TA Waves. And forums.
[21:46] <@Talad> oh yes, registering is a pretty big development effort :)
[21:46] <@Talad> not sure if a game can be made with people registrations
[21:47] <@Talad> but it's possible
[21:47] <Xoel|Banhammah> and on the waves somewhere they all accepted the roles that they were voted into.
[21:47] <@Talad> that list was mae just to attract more people out of falsity
[21:47] <@Talad> which is the usual way that project works
[21:47] <@Talad> I have no issues with that Xoel, just don't advertize it here
[21:48] <@Talad> that's the rule of this channel
[21:48] <@Talad> like it or not
[21:48] <Xoel|Banhammah> You speak of it as if you know it through and through. Pretty bad way to talk about a whole list of people who have worked on your own project for a cumulative period of decades.
[21:48] <@Talad> I know it VERY well Xoel
[21:48] <@Talad> even too much to my likings
[21:49] <@Talad> and to me it's forgotten now
[21:49] <@Talad> go its own way
[21:49] <@Talad> don't bring it up because as said it's blacklisted
[21:49] <@Talad> I've explained multiple times the why
[21:49] <Xoel|Banhammah> I just don't get how you can "blacklist" a project... last I checked people play games for fun, not social control.
[21:50] <@Talad> [11:44] <@Talad> there will be no acceptance of a project made of people that insulted PS and its members multiple times
[21:50] <@Talad> [11:45] <@Talad> of people that spammed dozens of sites with falsity just to discredit us
[21:50] <@Talad> that's the reason why
[21:50] <@Talad> well, one of the reasons
[21:50] <Xoel|Banhammah> So because one guy (Tuxide) does some admin work and hosting for them, the whole project is blacklisted?
[21:51] <@Talad> I'm not going to rediscuss it
[21:51] <@Talad> also you resigned as prospet
[21:51] <@Talad> *prospect
[21:51] <@Talad> so I don't feel I should spend any energy to re-explain it all to you
[21:51] <@Talad> there are plenty of very strong reasons
[21:51] <@Talad> and they should just be ashamed
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[21:52] <Xoel|Banhammah> Well, can you get someone at Freenode to remove my hostmask? No one answered when I was in #freenode
[21:52] <@Talad> will be processed
[21:54] <Xoel|Banhammah> And I think for someone to blacklist another project and enforce such rules, a detailed explanation is the least the community deserves. Especially when they play and test your game for free. That's just my opinion however.
[21:54] <@Talad> the community prefers me to spend time on developing the game
[21:55] <@Talad> and not in silly drama
[21:55] <@Talad> that discussion is completed and gone, months ago
[21:55] <@Talad> there is no need to reopen it
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[21:57] <Xoel|Banhammah> Well, I personally feel that there are alot of players who would like evidence on the reasons for blacklisting, but again, that's my opinion. It can't be tested with the socially controlling bans on any mention of this project, and therefore the playerbase cannot be sampled, polled, and given what they want or don't want.
[22:00] <@Talad> my opinion is that none cares about a non existing project
[22:00] <@Talad> when they will have a game up and running, and they will have actually contributed something not stolen from us to the community, then we will maybe discuss it again
[22:00] <@Talad> but as said given the way they act, I don't want to have anything to do with them
[22:01] <Xoel|Banhammah> How is anything "stolen" your engine is OSS... can't be stolen if it's given for free...
[22:01] <@Talad> it's the PS engine
[22:01] <@Talad> made for PS
[22:02] <Xoel|Banhammah> So then why is it Open Source if there's no will or intent to share?
[22:02] <@Talad> if they want a game, they should make one
[22:03] <Xoel|Banhammah> Well, the leader was making one. Then he got fired. Funny that.
[22:03] <@Talad> right was fired for his behaviour
[22:03] <@Talad> now is the lead of that project
[22:04] <@Talad> making a mmorpg is harder than you think
[22:04] <Xoel|Banhammah> well, he needed something to fill his time.
[22:04] <@Talad> starting a spin off is just dumb
[22:05] <@Talad> yes, and to drain time of others into a project that will be most likely a failure
[22:05] <Xoel|Banhammah> Realistically, what else could you expect him to do after being fired from something he liked doing so much?
[22:05] <@Talad> I really don't care about this question
[22:06] <@Talad> he doesn't exist anymore in my universe
[22:06] <@Talad> we have enough to do to make PS 0.6
[22:06] <@Talad> which will be another big hit
[22:06] <Xoel|Banhammah> Will it fail to work on the same amount of players computers as 0.5 did?
 


Here you can see the director enforcing the rule, attempting to justify it's use, and then deciding that his opinions are worth more than his game community who would like to know the reasons for this. He also blatantly calls the Tempest in the Aether team thieves for choosing to use the PlaneShift Open Source engine, despite the fact that it's Open Source, and all of them put countless hours into developing PlaneShift before the split from PlaneShift and creation of Tempest in the Aether.
 
At Tempest in the Aether, all contributors are encouraged to work together as a team, to foster and help others learn more about game development (as it's a learning curve for us all) and we encourage harmony with all other projects. The director of PlaneShift calls us sneaky liars because we did not tell him about our project to begin with, we had felt this was necessary until we had something to show for ourselves, the existence of the project was leaked to him and our reasoning was proved correct. 
 
It's sad that he speaks so lowly of hundreds of people from different teams who all put alot of work into his game. I personally spent almost a year developing the only map to be added to PlaneShift in twice as long. While a part of his team I staunchly supported the game and team, but upon the creation of Tempest in the Aether and the ensuing events I decided there were better projects available for me to work on.

Rebuttal. Lurn 2 England.

 

Do you seriously think that I'm to believe that four GMs are abusing powers in PlaneShift?

 

Also note that I rebuked your statement of the harshness of the one month ban on the other player, as you have not mentioned exactly what he did to recieve such a ban.

 

Tolian Tyndale received a three month ban for his first offence. The offence was money duplication.  And Tolian had a good record prior to it as he is a stellar roleplayer. Why such a harsh ban? It was a serious offence. The offence "Anil" committed is not mentioned, it could be swearing at a GM, money duplication, item duplication, anything. This information you seem to be retaining from the thread.

 

My PlaneShift name is irrelevant. Stop asking for it, I do believe that could be some form of harassment.

I ignore your annoying orange font yes. That and I don't really care too much for your opinion Freyaa. You're his wife, so therefore your opinion is as biased as his. When I said "like you do in PlaneShift" I was referring to Naimon.

 

I still see neither of you can provide real, solid evidence.

 

My PlaneShift identity is to be unknown to you. It is irrelevant to the topic.

 

And Zalera, you should realise I called him a hypercrite not a hypocrite. Hypocrites criticise to little, Hypercrites criticise too much.

 

Naimon, you've been saying for pages now that you're done with me, yet you always reply, and you never reply with a decent argument, just more claims.

 

Tell me Naimon, do you ever plan on playing PlaneShift again?

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