Originally posted by Brif

The Mortal Online Closed Beta is supposed to start the day the Darkfall NA client is released.

I don't know if I should play the MO or Darkfall.

HELP

If you can't decide after reading a good number of posts on these forums, then son you are beyond helping.

Seriously if you have to ask us what to do with your money, then drop me a PM and I will give you an address to send $56 to. At least I won't lie to you as to what you will get for it....

Originally posted by Laughing-man

LONG STORY SHORT

AV wrote a check it couldn't cash.

 It gave its word that things would be a certian way.  (They thought they'd have distribution rights in the US, they had to get a different company to do that so they don't)

These things are beyond AV's control now, everyones screwed because AV doesn't have the funds to make things the way they wanted.

I really doubt that they really INTENDED to screw anyone over, it just ended up that way because it was their only option.

I so hope you are not serious and are only being facetious.

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by JTBanker

Originally posted by kazamx

With the news of the coming expansion a lot of new people are taking a look at Darkfall. Its Vital you know one thing if your not from inside the EU and would prefer to play on the US server.

DO NOT BUY THE GAME NOW

The current client is for the EU server. If you buy the current version of the game you will NOT be able to play on the US server at launch. Just like you can't play WoW in the US with an EU account or WAR or AION.

You will be able to transfer your character over in 3 months from the EU server to US server BUT it will cost and there will be a bunch of restrictions.

If you want to play on the EU server then now is a fantastic time to jump into Darkfall, but if you want to play on the US server at launch you MUST wait unless you want to end up buying 2 clients.

EDIT: SOURCE

[QUOTE] On the American server: The American server will launch on July 13th. Characters from the European server can be cloned and moved without their possessions 3 months after the American launch. Certain restrictions and charges will apply, to be announced at a later date. In the meanwhile if you want to play on the American server at launch you need to buy the American Darkfall client. More information on the American server will be available in a few days. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://forums.darkfallonline.com/sho...d.php?t=198228[/url]

 

Really????? I nor anyone else ever bought a EU client, I bought an EU account. The game has NEVER been for sale anywhere in any form.

What I downloaded was a free client off a torrent and I am sure that the US version is the same.

kazamx is providing good advice.

JTBanker, you didn't buy a client, nor did you buy an account.  What you bought was a license to play the game using your account (which could be created for free, like mine was months before I subscribed) and the client (which I downloaded for free via torrents prior to the launch).  That license (at least the copy I have after I first patched up the game on April 30th, when I subscribed) states:

"
1. Limited License to the World. Your participation in the Game and the World are subject to your ongoing agreement to and compliance with these TOS. Aventurine grants you a non exclusive, non transferable, revocable license to the Game and the World, subject to these TOS and the EULA. You may only use the Game and the World for your entertainment. Any commercial uses of the Game or the World by you is strictly prohibited.

"

This is common verbiage.  Gamers don't buy "software" or "games", they buy the license to use or play them.  Frankly, I think the wording used by Tasos regarding the "American Darkfall client" is just poorly phrased.  Additionally, the EULA states:

"

5. Darkfall Account. In order to play the Game in the World each player must establish an Account with the Darkfall online system. When creating an account you will provide Aventurine with personal and financial information as well as the Authentication Key provided to you when you purchased the Game. You must provide accurate information to Aventurine and update that information promptly after it changes. Once you establish your account you will select a player name and set up a password for your account. Do not share your player name or password with anyone else. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account player name or password, and you will be responsible for all uses of your account player name or password, whether you authorize its use or not. In the event that you become aware of or reasonably suspect any breach of security, including without limitation any loss, theft, or unauthorized disclosure of your account player name or password, you must immediately notify Aventurine at the contact email address on the official Darkfall website.

6. Account Ownership. THE ACCOUNT YOU CREATE FOR DARKFALL ONLINE REPRESENTS YOUR LICENSE TO PLAY THE GAME IN THE WORLD. IT DOES NOT IMPART OR REPRESENT ANY OWNERSHIP RIGHT TO YOU IN ANY CHARACTERS, ITEM OR CONTENT IN THE GAME OR IN THE WORLD. YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ALL OF THE CONTENT IN THE GAME AND THE WORLD ARE THE EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY OF AVENTURINE AND YOU HAVE NO PROPERTY RIGHT OR OTHER VESTED INTEREST OF ANY KIND IN YOUR ACCOUNT OR IN ANY OF THE IN-GAME CHARACTERS, ITEMS OR ATTRIBUTED ACQUIRED BY YOUR CHARACTERS IN THE GAME OR IN THE WORLD. YOU AGREE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ANY AND ALL RIGHTS TO YOUR ACCOUNT ARE OWNED BY AVENTURINE.

7. Management of Accounts. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT AVENTURINE, AT ITS SOLE DISCRETION, MAY SUSPEND, MODIFY, SUSPEND OR DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. IF FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON YOU ACCOUNT IS TERMINATED, SUSPENDED OR ALTERED IN ANY MANNER YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO COMPENSATION FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT PLAYING THE GAME IN THE WORLD OR FOR ANY OTHER COMPENSATION. For informational purposes only, and not as a limitation of Aventurine’s rights, most adverse account actions are related violations of these Terms of Service or the EULA.

"

Notice, nowhere in the EULA does it state you own the client, your character or even your account.  You simply paid for the license to play the game in Aventurine's virtual world.

All that being said, it is interesting that the EULA doesn't contain any references to AudioVisual or their right to distribute the game and/or manage player accounts/billing.  Additionally, the EULA doesn't reference the game client or world only being licensed for The only company references are to Aventurine, themsselves.  Why is this interesting?  Because the publisher should be included in the EULA. Case in point, there are separate regional EULAs for each publisher of LotRO:

• North American EULA - references Turbine, who self publishes the game in the US
• European EULA - references Codemasters

If the Aventurine is self-publishing in North America and they don't have a separate EULA for the game, then signs point to them being greedy and underhanded, in which case they'll alienate even more customers.

~Ripper

 

 

Rhinok, you are better then this. You really don't want to get into symantics games do you? You know damn good and well that you couldn't buy a license to play without an account so you effectively bought the account.
 

Let's not start getting into all the BS that is in a EULA which has NEVER been enforced in any court anywhere that anyone can provide a citation for. There have been copyright violations which people think are EULA or TOS violations but they are a totally different animal.

Suffice to say, this whole NA server thing sounds fishy and stinks to high heaven being only 6 days away with no known NA publisher.

Originally posted by Daphoes

 

The URL works fine, i regristerd, but this http://www.eu1.darkfallonline.com/dl/DarkfallFull/ is where u can download the almost 9GB big client with Torrent. i couldnt find that in the other URL, but tnx it helped alot, btw their Webpage should be updated soon, acording to the ppl in Darkfall IRC chat..

ROFLMAO, been hearing that since last December.....

Originally posted by kazamx

With the news of the coming expansion a lot of new people are taking a look at Darkfall. Its Vital you know one thing if your not from inside the EU and would prefer to play on the US server.

DO NOT BUY THE GAME NOW

The current client is for the EU server. If you buy the current version of the game you will NOT be able to play on the US server at launch. Just like you can't play WoW in the US with an EU account or WAR or AION.

You will be able to transfer your character over in 3 months from the EU server to US server BUT it will cost and there will be a bunch of restrictions.

If you want to play on the EU server then now is a fantastic time to jump into Darkfall, but if you want to play on the US server at launch you MUST wait unless you want to end up buying 2 clients.

EDIT: SOURCE

[QUOTE] On the American server: The American server will launch on July 13th. Characters from the European server can be cloned and moved without their possessions 3 months after the American launch. Certain restrictions and charges will apply, to be announced at a later date. In the meanwhile if you want to play on the American server at launch you need to buy the American Darkfall client. More information on the American server will be available in a few days. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://forums.darkfallonline.com/sho...d.php?t=198228[/url]

Really????? I nor anyone else ever bought a EU client, I bought an EU account. The game has NEVER been for sale anywhere in any form.

What I downloaded was a free client off a torrent and I am sure that the US version is the same.

Originally posted by Damian_ACK

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Thendil

why do ppl still post darkfall is fail cause they had 300k beta suscribers and only 10 k are playing it!

for the 795380's time AV did open the shop for a limited time and sold a certain amount of copy's...

reason for that was, they never intended to have a large amount of suscribers and even said that in there news several times! How could you improve a game when you actually listen to what your players think about the game and what suggestions they have for it when there are 300k players. Start small! rise and shine after time! Hell look at wow and how long it took till they got to 10 million accounts! Perfect example is Eve Online. released in 2003 and now has around 40k players online 24/7 and 300k active accounts!

DF has many problems we know that! still we enjoy the game...plus we are getting rewarded today! "i hope"

 

 Have they increased server capacity? I'm just curious as to how ( as stated previously ) that there are 17k active players. I thought the bar per server was set at 10k. I point further to your above post that they intentionally kept the game small. If the game is meant to be 10k players per server and they are currently at 17k on the EU server that would be an overload, would it not? That said ... why is the online store still allowing people to purchase the game, if there is a cap and we are above that cap?

I am sure there is an acceptable, logical, and demonstrated reason for this seemingly contorted jump in rationale.

 

The op attests that he has seen logs showing 17,000.  Is this number concurrent subs, or total active subs?  Perhaps the op, or someone else, is able to elaborate upon this topic in a reasonable, logical fashion, and answer our questions?

Ok, so he posts above that he is NOT associated with Av but he has SEEN logs showing 17K subs? Interesting never knew that private companies made that type of info available to any old gamer.

Guess I should write Sony and Blizz and ask to see their official logs since I am sure it is common place to just show them to anyone. Oh forgot, Av is a special (as in special ed) company that does everything differently then all other companies in any field of endeavor.

So Signus who should we email at Av to get to see those "official" logs? Are they kept on the same "official" log server that showed that Ed Zit only played a couple of hours? ROFLMAO

Originally posted by firefly2003

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by firefly2003

Well, the problem with the Euro server in the beginning was all the exploits duping, rigor exploits, macroing a lot of people have maxed out toons and that is what drove a lot of people away with the NA launch gives a fresh start to new players and exisitng ones for a even playing field. And by the time the 3 months roll down the line already existing toons on the EU server will be able to transfer over (without items) to the NA server where everyone else should be at their existing skill levels, I realize all MMOs have problems in the beginning and are not 100% done but with this game they are making a effort early on to address the problems with the game. So maybe there is hope for this game after all..

Is AV killing off the EU server? 

 

 

No they arent

LOL, actually if all the NA players move to the NA-1 server then yes they are.
 

Who the hell wants to play on a server with 2 or 3K players (if even that many)? You need players to have a PvP game and with the population as low as it already is, splitting servers sounds like the death knell.

Even our old hated friend SoE combined servers when they got to a low number, hell Av is splitting it to get to a lower population...BOGGLE!!!!!

Originally posted by Holgranth

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by Holgranth

I think we are being silly with the whole expansion/patch thing, here:

If it MUST be downloaded to play the game its a PATCH.

If it is an optional addition to the game its an EXPANSION.

Sounds like its going to be a patch to me!

 

While this is purely an academic debate, I have to agree with Holgranth's point.

Using WoW as a recognizable example...A person can play without purchasing any expansion packs. They will have fewer gaming options then those who do have the expansions, but they can play none-the-less.

That same person cannot, however, play unless their client is patched up to the current version. This is independant of the optional expansion packs and is mandatory in order to play the game.

I think that's a pretty good distinction between the two.

Actaully it was looking at the three WoW boxes sitting at the back of my closet (On top of the WAR box) that made me realise HEY! I don't need all three to play WoW just the first box and all the patches.................waitaminuet!
 

Totally correct.

For example you only needed the original EQ to play on the progression server a couple years ago but you HAD to have the latest patches or the client could not even login to the server. I had one EQ account that was still Vanilla EQ after all these years and one that was full boat with all expansions and guess what they both f'n worked.

Your distinction as to the difference is spot on.

I really don't care what they call it, since they have been full of lies for over 9 years so who really gives a flying F***. The game won't bring back enough people or sucker in enough new ones to keep alive.

They have shot their proverbial wad and from here on it is just eating popcorn and watching it die with a whimper. Should be interesting to see if they can last longer the Deceit-and-Lie did but I wouldn't make book on it.

Originally posted by faefrost

 And that really is the way to go. As an above poster said, contact your cc company and kill the charges. That will hit them harder and faster then any consumer complaints, any letters sent to the FBI or Interpol, and any civil legal action.

Agree that the charge back will have more immediate effect. I for one want companies like this to suffer lasting effects so that others don't try the same shit again. Like the effects that the French courts dropped on Farcelan for the theft of intelectual property that was used in Deceit-n-Lie.

The only answer is prison time and civil remediation with jokers like Av and their ilk. I sure would hate to be some paid shill like this board has when the shit hits the fan. If you have been putting out known falsehoods then you are also cupable in an action since you are an employee of Av. You know who your are and so do many others.

I will probably get a warning for this from some March 09 join date Mod since I didn't sing the praises of Dork-n-Fail, so be it. I am tired of the biased moderation on here and the whining of the failbots that have to report every post that doesn't sing the praises of Dork-n-Fail.

Originally posted by Holgranth

 However I have questioned almost every other decision they have made since Febuary.

Wow do I feel old. I have been questioning the decisions or really lack thereof since the days of Razorwax when I signed up on their boards back in the 2001 timeframe.

Should be interesting to see the patch / expansion tomorrow. In fact don't you European players have it already for your EU client? After all it is the 6th over there already and we don't have an NA client available yet so we can't have the expansion yet. ROFLMAO..........

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by Valetman

Originally posted by cesog

In the EULA it allows the owners to change whatever the hell they want.

You agree to it upon playing.

 

That is all.

It doesnt and you are incorrect.

 

An EULA is a contract.

A contract, for it to be legal, cannot contain clauses that require a party of the contract to renage  their basic legal rights.

 

this is why SWG were forced to offer refunds for the exapansion the released 5 days before the nge appeared.

 

EULA or not they were liable for breaking basic consumer rights under statute.

 

 

 

Dont forget in europe it is different friend.

For instance we employ 36 people and in each and every contract it states that job duties could change at anytime. And it is perfectly legal. In England we use a company called First Buisness that check each contract before issuing them.

Short simple answer to your drival.... Bull Shite.

Lets see some citations and statutory references proving your statement.

Originally posted by Maughann

Originally posted by jimmyman99

 

Blasphemy! Nothing is a stretch for DarthRaiden!

Coming up next, "The second coming of Tasos and the Holy NA Server"

Believe it or not, I got a harrassment warning for that post...there are some very fragile egos around here.
 

Ah well...they can't make me pregnant or subscribe to Darkfall so its not all that bad

I believe it and I will bet it came from a Mod that has a join date in March of this year just after Dork-n-Fail released.

Take that for what you will but sure seems to happen alot and is very coincidental to say the least.

Originally posted by Moretrinkets

what expansion? and where I can find info about it? I even tried the official website and found squat. I did a search in both sites, the official and MMORPG. But with so many trolling threads I gave up.

You just aren't hardcore enough as the failbots will tell you.

Don't you know that you will never find anyting on a developers website and that you have to read through all the forums to find out the truth about any MMORPG? I mean that is what we hear from the sycophantic failbots all the time.

There is no expansion, it is just a delayed patch that is a bit larger then the ones the were rolling out at first and they are calling it an "expansion".

As an aside to the ignorant question that was asked a few pages ago WoW is one of the games that gives out free content all the time. Check out their patch notes, especially the major patches and tell me that there is no free content.

No legit company has ever NOT put out what an expansion will contain months in advance.This is just more Bull Shite from Av and their lying bitch Tacos.

Of course you slavering sycophantic lap licking 12 year old failbot shills will eat this up but what do you expect from tards that think pablum is Vichyssoise?

Originally posted by Respit

I haven't seen an announcement of the N.A. publisher. But I think that The Adventure Company holds the rights to the game

Dark Fall.

 

Not saying that means anything, just saying.

Yes and I can't remember the name of the author that holds the rights to Darkfall. I do remember he is a big name author though.

Bottom line, still no word about the "publisher" if such an entity actually exists.

Gee sure would hate to see poor Av get slapped with a copyright infringement lawsuit when they try to sell their game in the US, but I am sure that their "publisher" has taken care of all the licensing requirements in the last few weeks since they were informed that they are the "publisher".

Can't wait to see the new web pages also that don't have any bait and switch or false advertising on them. To think that finally after over 7 months they will finally have the time to make a 5 minute change to their website. Damn they sure have been busy with all the improvements and preparing for the NA launch and the first expansion pack.

Excuse me while I pass out from laughing......

His complaint sounds very much like what I posted to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3.gov) against Av, and I suggest others follow the same path.

Lets see how well they hold together when Interpol and other agencies start anal probing them and turning over the rocks to see what other slime is living under them.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

I have no problem with the grind in Darkfall, but that's probably because I am Chinese xD

Nearly lvl 50 fire magic and I will have the good aoe nuke! I can't wait for the "massive expansion" AV better not lie and release a small patch

 

Or what?

 

You will give them an extreme scolding on their web-site?

That will be the last straw for you and you'll quit?

 

See, this last debacle was the last straw for many.  Apparently it wasn't for yourself.

Don't worry though, they will give you plenty more chances to be upset at them.  It's what they do best. 

I'm a pretty forgiving customer because I have never played a game like Darkfall. It has given me a completely different experience than all the other games that I have played. After experiencing DFO, I wouldn't ever want to play another game with target selection and button mashing. Yes you can say DFO is button mashing but it is a different way. I agree that AV is a piss shit company that has bad customer service but you never know what reasons they have for the bad service and updates. I am not going to quit just because of the company because I like the game.

This forum section is getting pretty boring. Everyone just talks about everything else besides the game since most of you don't like DFO. It would be entertaining if people actually shared their experiences in game with others.

Ok, I'll share my experiences in game:

Pick target, mash left mouse button until target or I are dead. Pick up loot piece by piece, get ganked while doing it. Rinse, wash , repeat.

That pretty much describes the game except for the click to harvest, rinse, wash, repeat of the advanced crafting.

There happy now?

Originally posted by Kyleran

Not seeing the problem.  Many other games (WOW, LotRO, Lineage 2, AION,  etc) charge you separetly if you try to play on both their US or EU (or Korean) servers, (and most discourage this practice) and almost none of them will let you transfer a character between them no matter what.

How is AV any different?

  

If you truly have to ask that then it is not worth answering.

I really thought you had more of a clue than that but I guess I was wrong.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by xpiher

Only people that will need to buy the game twice are peopel who want to play on the NA serer day one. Everyone else can just transfer and pay for a transfer fee tha most people saw miles away. Now that said, AV did say that players would be able to have 1 character per serer not account. Either they lied, or didn't know that it wouldn't be possible for that. I believe that the deal they have with their NA publisher, should there be a seperate publisher, is the reason for that change (which is the only change)

 

GNi is the NA hosting company.

 

Also, GNi is the EU hosting company. Same server structure, different publishers.

^^^^ As I pointed out pages ago.

So I ask for the 3rd time, just who the hell is the NA publisher that Av has to pay money to since there is no box, no advertising, no shelf space, it is a torrent download, no customer service, etc, etc, etc.....

FRAUD sounds like the name of the publisher to me.

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

The problem here is that when AV said they would let you guys transfer to NA they never explicitly stated that there -wouldn't- be a price. They never saidt here -wouldn't- be another 50 bucks to pay, so that's how they feel justified in doing this. Also they have to use a different publisher and the publisher wants money, which I'm willing to bet AV doesn't have.

So a couple of points:

1) Why the hell do you need a publisher for a digital distribution game with no box sales, no customer service, no advertising? A publisher publishes by definition.....there is no f'n thing to publish!!! Gawd get a clue people.

2) Just who the hell is this NA publisher that "needs to be paid" like everyone including Tacos keeps saying?

I believe that it is total BS spin. They are using the same infrastructure as the EU server, same server farm provider, same client, probably the same CC clearing company. Even if the CC clearing company is different it is only a % or so that they will charge Av for processing the cards.

Nope makes no sense to anyone with half a logical brain cell except to call it what it is: a money grab / scam that was planned from the beginning. I have turned them in to the IC3 for investigation and suggest others do the same. Let the FBI and Interpol look into their practices and dealings. I am sure that they have nothing to hide and are totally above board.

Originally posted by Dana

It's not that we only follow the "hot games" with the correspondent program. They are, as mentioned before, doing this for free. So you tend to see "hot games" have more people willing to volunteer to write about them, thus an uptick in the number of articles about them.

With our regular coverage, you generally get a more consistent and even distribution.

 

Then since the hotest game of all time is WoW, and has 20+ times as many subs as any other game we should be seeing tons of Wow articles by that logic and nothing else.

Sorry, gonna have to throw the flag on that one.

Now if you mean the most hyped new and un-released games then I can buy that.