Originally posted by HongKong

I have a lvl 50 Sorcerer on korean servers. Let me tell you the part you are testing in this beta is the shitty part of the game. No pvp, no ganks...no dungeons. Quests are easy and you have a few skills

Plus, this is the shitty 1.0 version...nuff said

I'm tired of all these "beta reviews" threads. Play the actual game before you post!

I agree entirely with Hong Kong. The game become more robust, compelling and innovative at level 25+. The point he makes about it being version 1.0 for beta is exactly right.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

WAR will improve, it takes time, main compalint is the end game, on comparison WoW's end game sucked for 2 years before it was hafl way decent, give Mythic time to do their thing, this game will grow, and make a come back.

AIONs end game is brilliant now, and you won't have to wait 2 years. WAR is already dead and buried. AION will deliver the final blow when it is released in September.

 OP if your looking a game that has a stable game client that can handle more than 10 people on the screen. RvR endgame that actually works and is fun. Fun PVE. Then your going to have to wait for Aion to be released, WAR failed in every department and Aion will be its final nail in the coffin so to speak.

I agree with this as both fact and sentiment. If you are waiting for a RvR game that roxs and will completely obliterate WAR in the populairty stakes wait for the AION release. I have been playing Chinese servers and even though I only levelled to 38 (Gladiator) and 22 (cleric) the RvR is awesome. There are some complaints about hacks and bots, but they are superficial. AION is the closest you will get to DAoC end game pvp.

Originally posted by sancher36   

Have to congratulate you guys on doing your best to destroy a game that had a load of potential. Since land of the dead even the t4 zones that were rocking are now almost totally dead.

I just have three words to say on this disaster of a game Trials of Atlantis.

Aion - Obama plays Aion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2BzE4fqsU

So cute :)

Aion - Obama plays Aion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2BzE4fqsU&feature=related

WoW was never able to make that claim ... ha ha ha

Why get so excited about it all. There is a very obvious set of solution. Most of the hacking is based on very simple t-search resident memory editing. Could be performed by a four-year old without? any significant difficulties.

Problem: Gameguard sucks and is easily bypassed by injectors.

Solution: Replace Gameguard with a proprietary hack shield.

AION will knock Warhammer and LOTR off the top spot and consistently stay in the top three MMO's

Originally posted by Xasapis

 Well, considering that we have played up to level 1-20 in the bright side (call it alliance if you want) and up to 1-10 in the dark side (call it horde if you want), there isn't much to tell especially regarding end game, beyond speculations. 

It would be easier if you named what aspects of the game you'd like to compare.

See other threads. Many people have played way beyond levels 1-20 or 1-10. Many of us have been playing the Chinese version of AION for the last few months and have characters as high as mid levels 40. I had a level 38 Gladiator and level 22 Cleric. It's a fantastic game in terms of concept, game play and design, It has excellent end game features for realm versus realm. Read the boards here and you will find out more details about AION. Also see this site for the brilliant patches that will come with versions AION 1.1 and 1.2. AION is in a totally different league to WoW, and will knock out Warhammer from the 3rd spot in game ratings.

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/16195-translation-aion-update-1-1-a.html

biggest let down in mmorpg history is easy to answer - WARHAMMER

Originally posted by Krepss

Your friend should stop sending you links

Oh really, I think its very nice that his friend sends him links. Shows a sense of friendship and reciprocity :)

Originally posted by darkruby3

On another note, they where hiring there and they said they needed a GM... wow, a Game Master. Prestigious title if you ask me, but I wanted the job. Unfortuantly, my parents said no to that... too bad. I work at a grocery store anyway so it's fine.

I think you would make an excellent GM. Shame about the grocery store otherwise you could apply for it. If you were Game Master you would be able to make fair decisions and good judgements about in game conflicts and tensions.

AION beats War and Age of Conan in every possible way.  I've played all three to high levels. WAR was a huge disappointment because I will silly enough to believe it would be DAoC2. Age of Conan was just hype and lies. It will never take off or get past the starting line because it is wholly dependent on small area instants.

Neither, they are both huge disappointments. Played both and extremely annoyed by the hype and lies surrounding both games.

Originally posted by Waterlily

There's no PVP in the game for the first 30 levels, what are you talking about OP.

 

Mr Waterlily I don't think you have actually played Aion. What you say is blatently untrue. First you can PvP at Level 25 and enter the RvR Abyss. Second you can PvP at level 18 in The Rift.

More info on comparisons

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Ok, I recently read a thread that Aion is what DAoC fans are looking for since Mythic let us down with WAR. So with that in mind, I have a few questions.

1) DAoC was best known for its end game RvR. Is it true that Aion has Keeps / Towers that can be controlled and upgraded by guilds?

Yes, there is currently not much incentive to defend them, so next patch they are increasing the rewards for defending.

2) What is the drive behind Aion's PvP? DAoC had 2 relics of power for each of its 3 realms that you could fight over for control. Which in turn gave realmwide bonuses in both PvE and RvR. Does anything like this exist in Aion?

Bragging rights, rewards. Clans own castles and get rewarded for their ownership, you gain abyss points (for open world pvp only! so no arenas) which you also lose when you die, so you cant just farm them over time if you suck. You can buy gear, special consumables with them, and your PvP rank is based on your AP...so it sucks to lose them. As you increase in PvP rank (set amount of each rank per server) you get special abilities and items to make you stronger).

3) It was also stated that Aion has something similar to DAoC's Realm Abilities. Which are basically abilities purchased with points earned while killing enemy players. Is this true?

Not abilities, but gear, potions, consumables and things like that.

4) DAoC was smart enough to keep about 95% of its PvE separate from any form of PvP so that if you needed to level in peace you could and if you wanted to fight, there was plenty of action in the Frontier. Can you hit the level cap in Aion strictly through PvE or do you have to PvP at some point to reach max level?

You could do it with out PvPing, but it would be slower, the game is designed on PvP integrated into other parts of the games, even the end game WoW-style instances have 1 party from each faction inside so there will be competition. All of the best PvE mobs/bosses/spots are always in PvP zones...Some may not, but I love it like that.

5) DAoC had issues in RvR with Crowd Control such as, whoever mezzed / stunned the other person / group first usually won the battle. Is the CC in Aion overwhelming or did they manage to minimize it to shorter durations vs. DAoC's 9 sec stuns and 60+ sec mezzes.

I dont think there are mass CC's in Aion, so I wouldnt worry about that, most of them are removed by any damage, and there are lots of AoE's.

6) Classic Server DAoC, you know, the ones without the stupid ToA expanions BS usually had some lengthy fights that could last for hours and were entirely too fun the whole time. How long is the average battle in Aion for say an 6 vs 6 encounter and also for all out zergs.

Not entirely sure, PvP damage is 50% of PvE damage to encourage longer fights, there are also classes that have resurrection with 0 cooldown time, but 4 second cast time, however each time you die you rez you get a short debuff, that increases in time with each death (by 20 seconds). And you lose your buffs.

7) DAoC was fairly dependant on gear to be any good in RvR / PvP. How important is the gear in Aion when it comes to PvP?

I would say its just as dependant on gear as daoc, difference being the physical defence makes a very noticeable difference in damage reduction compared to most games I've played...its one of the first things i noticed while upgrading armor.

8) Leveling in DAoC was a snap which for PvP / RvR games is the best way to go. No one wants to wait 3-6 months to get into the meat and potatoes of the game. Aion has been labeled a grind, yet compared to Lineage and most other asian marketed games, its been rumored to be a lot less of a grind. Is this true and what is the level cap by the way?

Its probably equivalent to WoW in leveling up, 1-3 months to max depending on how much you play.

9) DAoC is like 1 of maybe a handful of games with the intelligence of allowing players to customize the color of their gear. Dyes in game were ranged from ugly colors at cheap prices to more desired colors for a good chunk of change. How easy is it to dye your gear in Aion and is it Merchant sold or drop only?

There are dyes, that are merchant sold, crafted, quest items, etc...rare ones are harder to get. You can also change the appearance of any (non abyss) piece of gear to look like another piece of gear...So you can make an awesome, but ugly sword look like a terrible, but nice looking sword.

10) Healers / Buffers in DAoC definately made leveling and RvR a lot easier, but potions were available that eventually gave every class easy access to healing and buffs. Aion supposedly has long timers on potions / bandages which means Healers are once again a high demand class, as they should be. Is this true?

Yes they are, there will probably be 1 healer and 1 buffer per party (of 6).

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Flying doesn't bother me really but I kinda like not knowing my enemies level and vice versa. Keeps things interesting and provides sense of caution before charging into battle.

You are a very curious kind of fellow Mr Rhoklaw, will you buy me dinner and buy me a new dress pwease?

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Hi Rhoklaw I am a bit tired so if you don't mind short answers to your interesting questions

Ok, I recently read a thread that Aion is what DAoC fans are looking for since Mythic let us down with WAR. So with that in mind, I have a few questions.

1) DAoC was best known for its end game RvR. Is it true that Aion has Keeps / Towers that can be controlled and upgraded by guilds? YES

2) What is the drive behind Aion's PvP? DAoC had 2 relics of power for each of its 3 realms that you could fight over for control. Which in turn gave realmwide bonuses in both PvE and RvR. Does anything like this exist in Aion? Similar but not called relics, each enemy keep has the equivalent of a relic. Remember though there is a third AI realm.

3) It was also stated that Aion has something similar to DAoC's Realm Abilities. Which are basically abilities purchased with points earned while killing enemy players. Is this true? Very much so but you also earn Abyss points to buy specialist RvR gear

4) DAoC was smart enough to keep about 95% of its PvE separate from any form of PvP so that if you needed to level in peace you could and if you wanted to fight, there was plenty of action in the Frontier. Can you hit the level cap in Aion strictly through PvE or do you have to PvP at some point to reach max level? Possible but hard to do this because AION is very much end game (RvR oriented)

5) DAoC had issues in RvR with Crowd Control such as, whoever mezzed / stunned the other person / group first usually won the battle. Is the CC in Aion overwhelming or did they manage to minimize it to shorter durations vs. DAoC's 9 sec stuns and 60+ sec mezzes. Crowd control is smart but not overwhelming Clerics and Chanters have de-buff abilities for CC.

6) Classic Server DAoC, you know, the ones without the stupid ToA expanions BS usually had some lengthy fights that could last for hours and were entirely too fun the whole time. How long is the average battle in Aion for say an 6 vs 6 encounter and also for all out zergs. Hard to say because no Chinese server has yet to advance to a level where there is evidence. Zergs have started to emerge but I am not in a Korean clan so had little experience. Language is a problem on Chinese servers even though Eng Language patch is available.

7) DAoC was fairly dependant on gear to be any good in RvR / PvP. How important is the gear in Aion when it comes to PvP? Exactly the same as DAoC, getting the right template for RvR is critical

8) Leveling in DAoC was a snap which for PvP / RvR games is the best way to go. No one wants to wait 3-6 months to get into the meat and potatoes of the game. Aion has been labeled a grind, yet compared to Lineage and most other asian marketed games, its been rumored to be a lot less of a grind. Is this true and what is the level cap by the way? No Grind Fest at all because it is mission based for every ten levels (e.g. 11-20). AION is nothing like Lineage. You get into RvR at level 25, but you can experience it earlier through something called The Rift which is based on a similar concept to Darkness Falls. Effectively you are temporarily allowed into enemy territory (differential levels for this 10-19, 20-29)

9) DAoC is like 1 of maybe a handful of games with the intelligence of allowing players to customize the color of their gear. Dyes in game were ranged from ugly colors at cheap prices to more desired colors for a good chunk of change. How easy is it to dye your gear in Aion and is it Merchant sold or drop only? Dyes have been introduced but as special drops, AION will introduce dyes into US/Europe release.

10) Healers / Buffers in DAoC definately made leveling and RvR a lot easier, but potions were available that eventually gave every class easy access to healing and buffs. Aion supposedly has long timers on potions / bandages which means Healers are once again a high demand class, as they should be. Is this true? Healers are in high demand for RvR and higher level PvE. You can craft potions and they also come with drops.

Thanks to anyone who can answer these questions as I am an extremely miserable but huge fan of DAoC which is basically on life support. Unfortunately, WAR was a complete letdown and so I'm looking for an MMO that I can pick up where DAoC left off. I was also extremely disappointed with WAR and delighted to discover AION. Will transfer to US/Europe servers when released in September, and have pre-ordered premier box

Originally posted by Ruckup

Ehh hate to burst your bubble but it is not and NCSOFT always releses content to Foriegn countires prior to NA getting it and does not do anything without Koreas approval.

 

Not true. Are you seriously suggesting that with Guildwars and all developments that NCSOFT run everything through Korea for approval?

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Sorry, but NO.

 

AION is nothing but Lineage III, MOST of the DAOC community has already tried AION (see vnboards) and already concluded it's not worth their time. ENOUGH with trying to over hype this piece of garbage.

 

 

Origins FTW!!

Simple question Mr Faded? Have you played AION? and if so, to  what level? Second simple question, where is the evidence that the DAoC community have already conlcuded its not worth their time? I doubt very much that ex DAoC players have even played AION yet.

  Pure genius. You can fight in the air... unlike DAOC... It's elitist... unlike DAOC... 6 man groups... unlike DAOC... No PVE grind for gear (Trials of Atlantis anyone...)... unlike DAOC.
 

Yes indeed, you must have truly exercised your single brain cell. DAoC was the most elitist game ever (especially around RR levels, guild membership and RvR guild ranking) , and with the classic version and prior to ToA there are no PVE grind in DAoC since for RvR (which was pretty much the end game) it was down to obtaining a finely tuned template and having your gear crafted at extortionate prices. I wonder what RR level you actually achieved in DAoC? I did say UNLIKE DAoC with AION you have flight winged battles.