Originally posted by Moaky07

 

UO may of hit the market before EQ, but it was scrambling to Trammal it up once they saw folks werent interested in forced PVP.

 

PVE rules MMO gaming. PVP is a side show attraction.

I am not disputing this fact, there are more than enough players though to make World PvP work. I am not against PvP, as I said, one of the allures is PvE content with lots of other players.

I am simply arguing against the idea that Open PvP is simply for Halo fans. Judging on his first reply after mine, he has no real argument, and simply spewing crap, like most trolls you find who realize they are wrong ;)

TH

Okay this is beyond ridiculous, but I will wade in here.

When I began MMOs, the allure wasn't "Halo", or "Solo" gaming, it was being in a persistant world that contained thousands of players at any given time. The thing that pulled me in was the community aspect, the game had it's own currency, it's own guilds, each varied and different. It had epic battles with fellow players against rival opponents, some of them personal, and massive battles against mosters.

This wasn't on my console, this wasn't by myself, this was with PEOPLE everytime. MMOs that FOUNDED this genre, built upon this principle. You state that Open world is for Halo fans, yet what about games like Ultima Online, one of the first MMOs founded?

What about other MMOs with EQ where raids where not 8 man bore fests, but massive number of players? What about (this will get some laughs), games like The Matrix Online, where RPG wasn't written content left to spew, but a continuously developed world that constantly changed?

TOR is a solid in many ways, but the reason, I feel, that many gamers become dilusioned is because alot of people (in my experience of knowing lot's of MMO'ers), desire this. They don't want to sit there in instanced content, they want to be in a living breathing "home from home" world that grows and changes around them.

To even THINK that Open world PvP is for Halo players is not only straight up wrong, but it just proves how beyond stupid you are. It's like comparing basketball and football, yes they are both sports, but completely different. If anything, WARZONES are closer to Halo that Open PvP, equal sides fighting over objectives. In fact I could sit here, spew the same rubbish to you, only substitute Open PvP with Warzones, and the funny thing is, I would have more of a point.

Open PvP is beyond this priciple, it's spontanious, it's changing, and at any given time things maybe different. Yes you may control every keep around, but tomorrow you may not. Things mean something, and long hard battles mean something. How many out of the 1000s of Warzones, do you clearly remember?  In open PvP, in a living breathing world, your guild may summount to something, strike fear in their hearts today, but tomorrow it gets completely overwhelmed and squashed. 

The same principle applies over every form of content, I think it's safe to say that MMOs were designed as persistant worlds, and that has not changed. I am not against games like SWTOR, but I am tired of them. I am tired of people saying it has story, and story means things, when really, after I finished, the world is lifeless, pointless to be on, and your name, meaningless.

We are tired of being constrained to parties, we are tired of doing the same dull map with 8 v 8, we are tired of our world becoming lifeless, after it's completed. This is our opinion, this is not what our genre was founded upon, and yes things changed, but when it's changing to the very thing we left behind, it's not going to go down well. It's us not the game, perhaps, but at the end of the day, when that game is basically a weaker version of certain other major MMOs we know, what do you expect to happen? Oh that's right we should blame ourselves and not blame the so called "great thinkers" of the gaming industry for making the same boring horse-shit as everything else.

I hate calling troll to people with different opinions to me, but really? To proclaim that open PvP (WHICH IS WHAT THIS GENRE WAS FOUNDED ON), is for FPS fans, (when Warzones are a direct descendant of this principle, something that TOR now ONLY offers), is just so beyond dumb, and ill-informed, it's mind-boggling.

Now put your head back into the sand, oh, and have fun doing small party exercises like you do in Halo, I'll be rolling it in GW2 where massive scale PvE and PvP will be happening once again.

TH

Martial Arts tree in the Matrix Online.

Had one of the most unique combat systems imo.

TH

Originally posted by Malickie

Sounds like a douche to me, but they have a right to run their clan how they want. I guess they don't want to risk the possibility you would join a different faction/clan with an alt. Which if they are a PVP guild that makes sense. Our guild wasn't much different in SWG, unless you were a BH of course.

If they explained it to you before hand, I can understand the frustration. It sounds to me like it's a guild designed for a specific purpose, PVP or something along those lines, these types of guilds tend to have stricter rules, it doesn't mean they have bad leadership necessarily, if anything it just shows they enforce their policies.

 

To show you our app:-

The Dragoon Brotherhood have been founded for many years, and as such we are only seeking the best players who share our interests, values and goals. We are interested in the person more so than the character and only want people who are similar to ourselves. We take every application seriously, but we will not be afraid to reject an applicant. Make sure you put the time and effort into the application that accurately reflects your level of interest in joining. Lack of effort is interpreted as a lack of commitment to joining and will be weighed appropriately in the decision making process.

We are looking for veteran gamers who want to be part of a team of friends while at the same time not needing their hands held to accomplish anything in game. They enjoy adventuring as a team but put in the time and effort to learn the game, be good at their chars and class and make the effort to be part of the team. One part of that is our ventrilo policy.

For years members have grown, and social fun and all communication is conveyed over ventrilo. It is a REQUIREMENT that all members use ventrilo 100% of the time that they are in an MMO, this is to add to the vocal, community, and strong communication of the Dragoons. A mic, however, is not required.

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And later on

Please re-type the following as if spoken by you:-

You understand that The Dragoon Brotherhood recruits the person and not the character and thus you cannot have characters in any other guilds while a member.

You are looking for a long term guild home. You are seeking a stable guild to be a member of for a long time to come.

You understand that ventrilo is required 100% of the time, and will do your best to uphold that.

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Basically you fill this out. YES it may not be for all, but before you're even in, you understand these things. Sorry to say but if you fill out the app, and then later complain about it your the idiot. Not us.

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We have simply carried out what we said. That is all. You know, we could be weak minded and be "oh so devasted" that this thread is here. But when you see members posting stuff like I posted and having a great time (As I speak).

You learn to not give a shit.

TH

Originally posted by Shastra

Originally posted by Deleted User

dragoons 4 lyfe dont pay any attention to this thread yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa boooooy

 

Yeah nice publicity going for you guys!! ;o

Indeed!

If your a non-judgmental assuming based player then take the words of our members. Remember guys, it's easy to look at one side of the story and make wild assumptions! Don't forget also to mention that before you join you are asked if you are comfortable with the rules. We understand alts and ventrilo (Not un-common), all the time maybe extreme for some of you. However you are asked if you are comfortable before joining. If you choose not too, we do not look down on you, we simply smile and say we are not for you.

Of course, the endless bandwagon users here will only see their way of doing things above others. Remember people, no way is the right way, except the way that works for YOU.

The references to me is flattering, I have been a leader of this clan for many years now so seen similar threads. I want to thank each of you as our recruitment has increased dramatically since this little stunt.

If you do see past those who think they know a clan from someone whine about us, here is  testomonial posted on a recruitment thread elsewhere:-

I have now been a dragoon since November 2009 and I must say this has truly been a clan far beyond my expectations.
To not only find a strong and motivated clan but also a group of people that I can call my friends and a family away from home is something that I think is something few people get to experience.
While following simple rules of conduct made to promote unity and strengthen the clan might be too much for some people to deal with, it is what has ensured quality in my fellow dragoon brothers.
Since joining this clan I've grown as a person and as a player, had great laughs with good friends and made memories for life. It is with great anticipation that I look forward to a long and bright future with The Dragoon Brotherhood and whatever it may bring.

See you in game!
Long live The Dragoon Brotherhood!

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This thread has been enlightening to reveal those who look only at one side before experiencing truth for themselves. Of course though, I am a hitler right? Even though my clan thrives with members from years ago and yesterday? LOL Goodbye guys, keep up the good work!

The Dragoon Brotherhood - Where there is drama, there are members that do not follow blindly. They are our own.

TH

They are adding a whole new zone with 60 quests and new items, this may not seem acceptable to the fussy here, but consider all abilities, armour and new levels will added next partch, followed by a big pvp patch.

Some people have a cindy doll complex.

TH

In all fairness, truely organized clans wouldn't have been fooled by this trick.

TH

Any ideas on when this could be? Or even if they are doing it this year?
 

TH

I met my partner online through Age of Conan. Both of us have had serious relationships before and are not complete losers. The relationship was barely planned either considering (she) particularly is extremely private online.

For me, having been a guild master for several years, I have been close to many members and have met many in real life, so in some ways, it is no surprise that a relationship would develope. Nearly two years on from when we met, we are involved in a serious real life relationship and are doing okay. The game is in fact where we get on the worst when we argue (Also with the added pressures of me being a strict guild master suddenly is not so great in an equal relationship hehe).

However online play is pretty smooth for the both of us, and although I did not plan for something like this, I am happy it did, was kinda sweet to meet that online girl  you knew for a month or two, and find out she is even more beautiful, and your connection even stronger in real life.

It can happen, it's just like real life, I have no clue why geeks are so obssessed with the idea, not to bash hehe

TH

Originally posted by Zlayer77

What is this fixation with Word of Warcraft? why must it be killed beaten and mangled? And why in the world are so many companies focused on making thier own version ( to little to no success) of it?

It has amazing figures but I still Play Pen and paper RPG with 8 of my friends, and we have alot of fun, why must numbers dictate if a game is good or not? 5000-300000 people playing a game is still alot of people isent it? Also its not World of warcrafts foult that other companies lack the imagination to creat something uniq by themselfs.

1. Other Devs should stop looking at WoW as a frame of Refrence when they make games
2. People should just lay of the WoW hate, if the game was so bad it would not get 10m + subs now would it?
3. stop whining on other games that do try to be diffrent, but might not have the budget, if you belive in the Idee and keep on subscribing they might actually get better. 

Games that you might want to suport instead of bashing on WOW:

• Pirates of the Burning Sea ( fun game I think)
• Age of Conan ( also a decent game when the bugs have been hammerd out)
• Lotro ( this game is going okey but it could do mush better)
• EvE ( just keeps getting biger and biger nothing will stop this game hehe)
• Champions online ( with a positive comunity this game can go a long way)
• Star trek online ( Might be the next big space MMO who knows, but it wont be perfect at the start so give it your suport)

All games listed above are good enough to play and some of them are truly brilliant. I say give them a chans for the first time or rejoin them and give them suport because then and only then Can they grow and become even better.

On the other hand games the realy deserve to tank are:

• Warhammer online (WAR) a wow clone, lets hope this one dies, it is a realy boring game, with bad game design. also I hate EA
• Star wars the Old Rebublic ( I hate EA did I mention that, plus I like the old Star Wars movies, the new shine stuff Is just Blehhe....)
• Jumpage Evolution ( tries to be an Easy EVE or something, never liked cloners...)
• Aion ( Korean, bot, exploit grindfest, lets hope this one stayes where it belongs in Korea and Asia.....)

How exactly is Champion's Online and Star Trek truly brilliant (in your opinion), when they are not even out?

Later you go on to comment on games that are not even released...

All of that destroyed any true, and founded opinion you had.

TH

Your assuming that heavily story driven = solo player.

If it's an MMO expect MMO qualities.

TH

Villains,

My name is TheHidden01, for three years I have commanded the greatest of men. These men have shone above all others, and achieved that which is rarely in MMOs... immortality.

For the past few years, we have battered our enemies, lead our allies, commanded our fates, conquered great dungeons, commanded great events. We have done everything that you know about this world, and more. Unfortunately, I cannot delve into what a Dragoon is, three years will do that. All I can say, is that men have followed me for almost as long, they have come with me and sided with me. To know of such loyalty is humbling, and this is what I offer, excellence, and a community unlike any other.

If this has enticed you, contact me on Defiant, ingame name TheHidden01. If you would like to learn more, you can find us at:-

www.alwaysdragoons.com

I await your coming.

TH