Originally posted by Ginkeq

 

Your link is one of the reasons why EVE is such a bad game...

Click on this link: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Qual

Now look at the amount of Level 5 skills, each one takes.. a couple weeks?  And there are what, like 50-100 level 5 skills that you have? 

How is it fair that someone who sits on their ass but keeps a subscription deserves to have such highly ranked skills?  That part makes no sense, and its too bad you EVE fanboys don't know how to respond to that argument.  Because in EvE time Invested is time well spent. and just having a toon with alot of lvl 5 skills wont help you mush, if you had played EvE for any extent of time you would know EVE is about ISK, those who want it, those who have it and those that have to mush... Skill treas are shallow dosent take long to get a Charecter competetive in the field you want to specialize in. Again if you have played the game beyond the trail you would know this... Also In EvE you get rewarded for playing; you get  more ISK, and that is the most important thing in EVE, as you can pay for your sub, get ships, pvp more and enjoy the game more if the bank is full of cash. Skills mean shit if you cant afford to pay for gear.

Do you really think your offline time should count for ANYTHING at all?  

If I ever played EVE I would feel that my character is garbage compared to complete newbies who have maintained a subscription longer, because they will obviously have higher level skills because they've maintained a subscription longer. Hmm realy dont get this at all, first off in about 6months time you would be dangerous in PVP, and if you played actively for those 6 months you would have alot more exprience and ISK then a person just AFK training for a year. He would probably need another 6 months to get the hang of things before he could keep up with you... AFK training is not good... but its usefull if you have to take a break from the game for a few months time. when you come back your charecter has gained rather then fallen behind like in every other mmo out there...

You guys complain that I said EVE sucks, are you really going to argue that it does not suck?  When its skill system is obviously there just for subscription money?  When you don't even have to invest any real time into an MMORPG to gain advancements?  You do know that by playing the game you can actually play for free right? Paying for Plex/gtc have been in the game for years now, so I dont realy see the conection beteween subscription money and training in EvE I realy do not. Second thing is If I played wow in 2004-2007 if I would come back now that toon would be totaly worthless you agree? I could just roll up a new one and level it to max, because all my Items would be outdated etc. So even if I had 150 dayes played it would be worth NOTHING! But if I would have played EvE from 2004-2007 and come back in 2009 that time investment and the money I had put in would still be worth something do you agree?

EVE isn't unpopular because it is difficult, or hard to understand.. EvE is hard my friend its hard on the Psyke, you have to want to have goals! and again little kidds dont have goals they want fun times and rollercosterrides. And EvE is not for kidds.

Most people probably quit because they see the idiotic skill system that favors people who have maintained accounts for very long periods of time.  The sad thing is you don't even need to play EVE at all to have a really good character.  Your skills can be maxxed and you don't have to do anything, as long as you buy the required skills and maintain a subscription long enough, your character can be good without even playing it. But what would be the POINT? Epen..? look at me I have a charecter that has 100m sp and Ive payed hundreads off dollars to train him in a game I never play? You reasoning is kinda strange...

Tell me why anyone should play a game that favors people who just sit on their ass and maintain subscriptions?  At least EQ and WoW and almost every other MMORPG allows people to catch up and play on a level playing field.  EVE is just carebear bullshit that favors people who stay subscribed longer... Im gona lett you in on a little secret, skills are not the End of PvP combat, mods, ships and fitting choise and playing to your strenghts has alot more to do with it then what SKILLS YOU HAVE... again if you had bothered to play the game you would have know this... Skills make up about 30% and equipment another 30% and the last 30% goes to tactics. how you fly the ship has an impact on the damged done and damged recived, so going in stright line towards your target would sustain you alot of damge for example. Smaller ships can hardly get hit by large guns etc etc... But again you havent played the game long enough to understand this...

If you didn't start EVE in the first few months, then there seems like there would not be a point in playing it at all, because other people automatically have better characters (through no effort of their own.) You realy must be dumb, im serious here! Do you even know how the game was back in 2003-2004... man we started with nothing... you had to work your way up from scratch, no jumping to 0m, bookmark was the king of kings, no skillpoints boost like you noobs get today. so train, train, train for weeks without implant helps. MAN I WAS SO GLAD AND PROUD WHEN I GOT INTO MY FIRST CRUISER lol... If you think the game is bad now hahaha.... you wouldent have lasted 20m in the old days...

Seems a bit artificial that they put such long real life limits on those skills as well.  Then they allow offline time?  Is the scam not obvious to you EVE players?  Maybe you've invested so much time (or maintained an account for so long) that you're in denial at this point. IM not paying for my sub mate? how can this be a SCAM? Havent payed for years now as I just get GTC and Plex for the ISK I earn ingame... You realy havent played this game have you...

If CCP abandoned their idiotic time-based skill system I think their game would be a bit more popular and would be taken seriously as an MMORPG.  But for now I consider it in the same class of games as mybrute or travian (wait x units of real life time before you can have this.) THIS IS THE LAST MMORPG... you know what its stands for right MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLLPLAYING GAME... all the new shit is singleplayer orientated with static worlds and your only mission is to grind for new ITEMS, who is getting scamed here exacly? 

 

I get realy sad when I read post like this. First off you dont seam to get what EvE is about.

1. Its both a Economic and spaceship battle game. You play EvE against other players. When you talk about the things that you dont like its like complaining you dont think Chess has a good grafics or you dont like that there are black and white squares on the gaming board. EvE is not ment to be FUN, like a themepark adventure, where the makers have planed everything for you.
2. One server one world that is constantly chaninging depending on peoples actions. There is no other MMO like it on the market. 
3. Full loot system, harsh death penealties, Scams and godlike Drama, you can not get this in anny other game on the market today.

In your time playing EvE you kinda missed the hole point of the game. Its not about training times, Its not about sucky mechanics (because they make the game better and better each year, trust me you would have gotten a serious chock if you started playing in 2004 when I began)

THE GAME IS ABOUT PLAYING WITH OTHERS, WITH THEM OR AGAINST THEM. sadly 90% of the MMOS on the market today are SOLO PROJECTS, you dont need anyone to have fun ju can just sit alone at home playing by yourself. WoW, Lotro, AIOn, warhammer, AoC and all the rest are solo games where you level your toon and get items so you can Epen outside the ingame AHs.

Avrage age of EvE players are 27 years its a game for grownups not little kidds. Becausse most little kidds are Impatiant, Attention seekers who just want to go on the next thrillride. Its daddy daddy can I ride that rollercoster please... 

I'm going to take a stab at this. If you take EvE as an example. You will see that its player driven, you are one person in a larg galaxy trying to make it. You can mine, pirate, figth for space, produce ships/mods or just come up with your own idea to make money. People in eve use many diffrent tactics to get ISK/money. Its a bit like Manopoly in space :). In the end its about the money but how you go by getting it is up to you. Why not start a bank?, sell your cargo space? or Manafacture some drugs? it realy is up to you...

If you take your avrage Themepark MMO, what can you do?

1. Level
2. PvP
3. Rune endgame instances that the developers suply. over and over again.

Themeparks are static games the only thing you can change is your gear... kinda boring going from the intence Political scheeming of EvE to just sit down and lvl a toon to max and get gear...
But whatever floats your boat eh...

ps: Sanboxes are more like IRL and hey I understand that people play games to be entertained... Im just not one of them...

If you look at many other games in this genre CO have good and entertaining quests. Mellenium city for example has a realy good quest design.  I like the fact that you have to wait untill nightfall to kill the deamon on the roof. Also people coming up to you and giving you quests is a fun aspect.

Most fighting animations in this game also look solid. Its fun giving some henchman an uppercut that sends him flying or hacking him up with your katanas.  Or why not pull out your guns and blast him full of bullits. I also think its cool that you can go full Equlibrium style( cool movie if you havent seen it with Christian bale) and do gun katas and shit....

Overall Champions online is way better then most of its competition, Warhammer, AoC, Aion, Lotro just brings more of the same old stuff we have seen for years and years.

The game has a few bugs yes, it lacks content yes, but its still the most fun I had in resent years playing a Level based mmo. Nothing beats EvE, its my main mmo. But its fun to have a side game, and Champions definitely fits in that place for me.

If you play this game casualy, max 8-12 hours a week, this game is great. I can understand people rushing to the endgame and not having anything to to do. But for those of us, me and my friends for example, who are not that into PvP, and like to just log on for an hours and do some quests. This game is alot better then both AoC and warhammer was when they came out.

Zoning is not realy a problem for me, having 50-70 people in the same zone is just fine. You dont realy have to group in lower levels, and when I do its mostly with friends.

I highly recomend this game to anyone that just wants to to kill a few hours each week. I like the arts style and the fact that you can pick powers as you please and dont have to be some stupid class from the start.

Before starting this game I was horribaly tired of the fantasy games. I think I have swung one sword to many in the Fantasy MMO market. Champions just feels diffrent enough to make playing level based mmos fun again.

To be honest just looking at screenshots of DC makes my skin crawl. It looks like crap, and I think it will also play like crap.....

Champions is a fun game an it will get even better over time...

Going by forum activity on a few diffrent sites like this, All Aoc forums are way more active then the Warhammer online onse. This would indicate that Aoc has a stronger following then WAR. With a little luck Aoc can maybe become a nich game that wont be shut down before its second birthday .

Hope this lightens up the day for Amazing Avry  and the rest of you Rabbid fanboys... your game is doing better then WAR! And might even be growing....

Originally posted by Dameonk

 

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Originally posted by Zlayer77

 

Geting griefed when they are taking down a raid Boss will make 50% of the WoW comuntity quit the game. Also the mayor focus in Aion is PvP and griefing is comonplace, this is also something WoW players are not used to.

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LOL, what?  First off if you have 50+ people taking down a raid boss and get killed by an opposing group of players, this is generally not considered griefing.  That's PvP.
Also anyone who played on a PvP WoW server before the expansions should know what griefing is very well.  I can't even remember all the times that I was corpse camped at certain points in the leveling process in WoW.

 

Don't get the wrong idea though, I don't think there's any way Aion will get even close to WoW's numbers. Maybe 100k-200k in the west.

I play EvE so im well aware that getting jumped is just part of the game. But the avrage WoW player is not and will cry griefing and complain about constant PvP for spawns. I get the feeling most WoWers just want to go up against the Computer. Aion will be mush more challenging as you will constantly be fighting against other people. And getting owned by other players and stopd from getting that gear they want will not sitt will with most X wowers....

Sadly Aion will not be the next big thing in the MMO market. Why? you ask... Its called the Abyss. Aions endgame is wastly diffrent then World of warcraft and WoW players will have a hard time making the transition. Geting griefed when they are taking down a raid Boss will make 50% of the WoW comuntity quit the game. Also the mayor focus in Aion is PvP and griefing is comonplace, this is also something WoW players are not used to.

All in all This game is to diffrent then what the avrage western MMOer is used to. To become the next big MMO over here.

Originally posted by baldrick76

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I must say that even I who quit soon after TBC, got a bit interested when I saw the promo for the new expansion cataclysm. I think Blizzard will draw many old players back to see how they changed the game world.

Also it's not a news flash that Blizzard is the best in fantasy world of mmos. Nobody even gets close to them. And Aion with it's forced pvp after level 20 will not even put a dent in WoWs armour. BioWare will also not succeed in drawing any significant numbers from WoWs subs. Nobody wants a story driven MMO, sorry that is just the truth.

Expect WoW to rain supreme untill Blizzard comes out with a new MMO. They are just to good for the competion to keep up. And remember this comes from a person that isent even playing their games.

 

 

I think your dreaming there . Nearly everyone i know in WoW is at least going to try Aion . Most people dont play two mmos a month so given a lot of boredom has set in with Warcraft they loses to Aion if its a decent game will be huge in the coming year . This is why Blizzard are anouncing now . Its what we call in europe.The promice of jam tomorrow . Its designed to try an keep players playing in the coming year in the hope that theres good things around the corner . Personally i m bored with WoW which is why i m going to Aion . When i m bored with Aion i ll go elsewhere . It stupid to stay in a game when you get fed up with it . but plenty do .  this XPAC announcement shows is that Blizzard are concerned with the losses they are already experianceing and the expected losses to other games . Its a fools paradise to believe WoW will maintain its current levels of popularity in the coming years . All this is is an effort to stem the tide . It may work for a few months next year and bring people back but without real change they ll soon leave again .

For the record i  m not a wowhater . If i was coming into the game now and was in the 8-14 age group i would love it . Its ideal from players of those ages given its accessability and easy gameplay .

The real question is can the avrage WoW player make the transition to Aion. Im not sure to be honest. The game is 80% pvp vs 20% PvE where wow is the reverse. Also PvP has a concequense you need to fight others for Boss spawns etc. It can become frustrating if you are used to being in an Instance all by yourself. Aion is an Asian MMO they are way diffrent in design then western MMOs. Its mush more about comunity and fighting your rivals. I dont see many WoW players be interested in this.

Example you have been campinga Boss spawn for an hour in the abbys waiting to take it down. 10m before it spawns a raid group of your enemies swoops in and ambushes you. After this has happend 10-20 times and you have done it to others 10-15 times a I can see alot of X wowers complaining about bad game design.

I dont think Aion is the game for WoW players its just to harsh and demanding....

The thing is that most mmos like WoW that is Raid gear focused, the Efforts you have made soon loses its value. A 3 year old  charecter that hasent been played in 6 months in World of warcraft dosent have mush up against a new charecter that has just reached max level and started to raid. This makes leaving and coming back that mush harder. So people stay even when they realy need a break. And soon the game becomes more of a chore then a fun game experience.

Now if you take a charecter in EVE, that player have alot more to return to. 3 years in EVE with a six month break to wait for an Expansion is alot better compared to WoW. The EvE charecter will be just as strong as the day you left him. I think more developers should learn from this. Games are ment to be played for FUN, when you feel like it. Not a forced thing to keep up with everyone ells, including your friends.

I think the big problem isen't that the magic is gone but that most mmos of today are focused on a mush younger audiance. The only game that has felt fresh for me after years of playing is EvE. And that game focuses on a mush older demographic of players. In a static game world where the only thing you can change is your personal gear, everything will eventually become boring and repetetive.

We just need more games that focus on older gamers 25+. Think the reason so many games have tanked the last few years is that they have been to similar to what hase gone before.

I must say that even I who quit soon after TBC, got a bit interested when I saw the promo for the new expansion cataclysm. I think Blizzard will draw many old players back to see how they changed the game world.

Also it's not a news flash that Blizzard is the best in fantasy world of mmos. Nobody even gets close to them. And Aion with it's forced pvp after level 20 will not even put a dent in WoWs armour. BioWare will also not succeed in drawing any significant numbers from WoWs subs. Nobody wants a story driven MMO, sorry that is just the truth.

Expect WoW to rain supreme untill Blizzard comes out with a new MMO. They are just to good for the competion to keep up. And remember this comes from a person that isent even playing their games.

Saying you wont go for the Hardcore is in my book the same as saying we have no Endgame. So that is no epix, no raid system, and no teritory wars in the END.

At this point I actually expect that Bioware thinks people will just roll another class when they finished the first one. This will prolong the games life span a few extra months. But it will not save them...

THe only thing you can do as a developer, In this age of computer gaming, is focus on the Hardcore players. NOBODY wants to be AVRAGE JOE! people want a challenge. Dont sell your customers short, thinking they just want an esy game they can blow thru in a month or so...

I smell EPIC FAILURE... and please remeber that I said this...

Looks like I was rigth then... No world of darkness. Sorry boys but its a FPS called Dust 514 for the consol market. Just as I told you...

Dont think we will be seeing any WoD for the next 5+ years, CCP is back to what they do best EvE and EvE related titles

Well hate to tell you I told you so. Was a great debate about what CCPs annuncment would be. I Told everyone it was going to be an FPS game. But did enyone listen nooo..... instead they kept on saying it was going to be World of darkness. Lol CCP has allready said they are going to try and make that game. Why do it again??

So now that I was right where is my price!

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by Odela

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

I'm interested in seeing how it turns out, but I'm no way interested in paying a subscription for TOR. Curiosity and my being a huge fan of Star Wars are the only reason I follow TOR.

 

Not willing to pay a subscription fee?

Enjoy playing lackluster MMOs for the rest of your life.

 

pretty sure what he meant was that he was unwilling to pay a sub fee for TOR.

And I don't blame him.

Yeah, Odela, Whar knows what I was saying which was, heh, exactly what I wrote. I'm not interested in paying a subscription for TOR. I have paid and will pay subscriptions for other games.

If TOR was a single purchase, single player RPG I'd pre-order it the first day it was offered.

Think many agree with you BioWare hasent shown anything that would make me pay a Sub for TOR... If it was a single purchase I to would not hesitate to buy it. But as it stands now it has to be No for me aswell.

Depending on what you want to fly

1. Gunn skills all relevent skills to 4 or 5 Medium hybrids, lasers or projectiles depending on what you are going to fly.
2. Shield or armour tanking skills, if you fly cadari shield Amarr armour both if you plan on going minmatar and gallante
3. Ship skills, max out a frigate first then go for cruisers both to V then train assult frigs 4 and then heavy assult cruiser V
4. Navigation skills
5. Drone skills
6. other suport skills, EM, Targeting, scanning etc

while you are training this you should join EvE university, they teach you how to PVP...

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Goob

 

 

I had a really loud LOL at this.... hahahahha.

 

So did I

But

EVE is way over rated by it's cult members......err players.

 

 

The reason people say that EvE is hard is because you are always going up against a human opponent. In games like WoW, Warhammer and Lotro you spend 60-80% of your time against the AI. The AI can never replace the complexity of the human brain and its ability to adapt and find innovating solutions.

On topic yes, Aion will have a hard time breaking into the western market. Eastern game culture is wastly diffrent. And Aion is heavy on the item grind and highly competetive at the endgame. Fighting over Boss spawns is not something the Instance Raiders are used to. Only time will tell if they will embrace it or not.

Youst for the fun of it im gona tell another EvE story. First I wil go thru a few things to everyone understands how the EvE mecanic works:

In the most lawless parts of space In EVE, that we call 0,0. Corporations can build and own Stations. In these stations members of their alliance and those with good sec status towards them can dock. Others, neutrals and enemies can not. This is used by scammers to create currier contracts to lure people out of their hard earned ISKs. The scammer simple makes the contract puts in some shity items then sets huge collateral, what he will be paid if the goods aren’t delivered in time. After that he sets a good reward should anyone complete it. Now many new people in EvE just see the reward and think hey I can dock in highsec why should it not be a problem to dock at that station in 0,0. The scam is nasty in that way. If the person doing it manages to get thru all the hostiles, that are going to shoot at him in this part of space, in the end he will not be able to dock as he is not part of the alliance that holds the station. Grimm is it not hehe.

When I was a noob I myself fell for this devilish scheme. I saw a nice contract to deliver some items 12 jumps for a huge reward about 30m. I paid the collateral, a 100m I think it was. Jumped to the system, avoiding all hostiles on the way. Had to hide in safe-spots and use my scanner to see that the gates where cleared. So it took me maybe 30m to get there. Still that is 1m profit per minute, so I was happy. Then I try to dock and I cant! And it all start to dawn on me. I click up the contract am I in the wrong place? No. Did I forget to bring the items, I check my ships cargo hold? No….. At this point I understand that I have been played a fool….. So I’m sitting there looking at this smiling fuckers image, thinking, man how I whish I could get you alone in a dark room. When it suddenly dawns on me I might still get out of this. I bring up the station again, I look for who owns it. I find the Corporation, I find the alliance.
Then I spend the next 30m, while hiding in the system, trying to get a hold of a recruitment officer for this alliance. And finally I get a hit, I speak with this nice fellow whose corp is part of the alliance and tell him that I’m interested in joining. He is happy to bring me onboard and 2,5 hours later after jumping to their offices and back, I dock at the station and deliver the crap items. 30m richer I return in triumph to empire. And then I get another idea, I look up that scammer again, and what do I find he has made 6 more contracts to the same station. Quickly I pick them all up and do them in 30m. As now all the Reds in those systems are blue to me because I just joined their alliance.
Last laugh is on me!….. I never saw that scammer making any contracts to that station again haha

This is just one of the reasons EVE RULES….