Tera looks promising by this video alone hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwcyJY9eEw

Open world pvp can be harsh though so if anny of you carebears from the theampark genre are going to play this, please dont give up the first time you get curbstomped...

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by keithian

I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history.

I have Invested alot of time on many diffrent forums all over the Internet .. And Im going to give you some Objective feedback on what I have found on why people dislike or have quit this game..

1. There are people who just dislike the hole concept of the game, and who will never buy it or play it (Im in this category for example)

2. Then we have the people who tried it but felt like they had done it and seen it all before

3. Lasttly we have the people who are upset about bugs and broken game mechanics...

But often when I read negative post about this game one word sticks out "IM BORED". Im a firm beliver that if the game was fun, and had things that were new to the genreal MMOer both groups 2 and 3 would still be playing the game.. But Bioware/EA never stoped to think that people might actually want something that was NEW and FUN. They were to bussy trying to look at what the rest of the Industry was doing and copy cating them. So they never found the time to sit down and look at their own product and ask the hard question "Is This game Actually FUN"

Another one. What MMO are you currently playing to satisfy your MMO needs?

Iv posted it before if you roll back in the thread.. I play EvE online.... and Dark souls and skyrim.. and Leauge of legends....

Originally posted by keithian

I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history.

I have Invested alot of time on many diffrent forums all over the Internet .. And Im going to give you some Objective feedback on what I have found on why people dislike or have quit this game..

1. There are people who just dislike the hole concept of the game, and who will never buy it or play it (Im in this category for example)

2. Then we have the people who tried it but felt like they had done it and seen it all before

3. Lasttly we have the people who are upset about bugs and broken game mechanics...

But often when I read negative post about this game one word sticks out "IM BORED". Im a firm beliver that if the game was fun, and had things that were new to the genreal MMOer both groups 2 and 3 would still be playing the game.. But Bioware/EA never stoped to think that people might actually want something that was NEW and FUN. They were to bussy trying to look at what the rest of the Industry was doing and copy cating them. So they never found the time to sit down and look at their own product and ask the hard question "Is This game Actually FUN"

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by zytin

Your premis is faulty.  That, and you didn't really ask a question in your long winded pro TOR rant. 

His premise isn't faulty. He's asking for comparisons from the people who post long winded anti TOR rants on a daily basis.

Your post is a challenge, not a question.You are challengeing the readers to tell you what MMO they currently play that is better than TOR .  You don't stop there, though.  You go on to list a long string of requirments that attempts to force people to compare TOR with wow based on several variables (graphics, story, et al).

Since those are the very things that people like to gripe about I see nothing wrong with throwing that criteria back in their face. If TOR is so bad, then obviously there was something better in the past or now that we should all be playing. I notice many like to say WOW did this better, or DAOC did this better etc. They take different stuff from different games and say that since TOR doesn't have all these things it fails. Well, if that is the case, then show a game that has all those things PLUS what TOR offers. See people like us who DO like this game for what it is are going to have a hard time going back to the supposedly "superior" mmos when they don't measure up to our standards. Expectations are a two way street.

 

 

Im going to tell you a secret.. do you want to hear it? probably not. Reason why TOR might or might not be sinking is that It can even be compared to other games. I mean things like TOR has BGs and TOR has quests and TOR has mouse wheel endgame content is what puts many people of the product in the first place. If TOR dident have all these things anny comparision to other games (like WoW, WAR, LOTRO, Champions online, AION, etc etc) would not be admissible. I personaly dont understand why they just dident do a totaly diffrent game.. Its not hard and it sure isent Rocket sience coming up with a new concept. Draw from outer platforms, like FPS, RTS, FInd other things like a deep crafting system that is actually worth doing instead of a side game, make an Open WORLD, make peoples Toons start as childrean and slowly grow... Just come up with something that we havent seen before.

I want to be amased, and I want to be entertained when i play games. I dont want to feel like "dam it feels like I have done this like 100 times before" And VO cant save anything if you build it ontop of the same gamdesign that has been used for a decade now...

Originally posted by k-damage

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Afterlife

You guys should probably stick to a different genre...

I'm not sure "quiting" an MMO is a real accomplishment.

Indeed. Are these guys looking for applause? Acceptance? 

Dont mind these 2. I applaude you good Jobb lads, lets hope more people come to their senses so we can sink this shit faster...

Even if I don't like the game right now, just ... why would you want to sink that ship ?

Do you have EA stocks to dump or what ?

I dislike EA yes..for many reasons. I also dislike all these developers who keep pushing the same crap out and failing. I mean Its like living in deja vu land. How many times now have this happend since 2004? Cant they they see the Pattern? or are these games actually profitabal with low populations and as Free to play games? I guess they are because otherwise why bother making them???

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Afterlife

You guys should probably stick to a different genre...

I'm not sure "quiting" an MMO is a real accomplishment.

Indeed. Are these guys looking for applause? Acceptance? 

Dont mind these 2. I applaude you good Jobb lads, lets hope more people come to their senses so we can sink this shit faster...

Originally posted by zytin

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Lol, the OP sound desperate,how about you play your beloved swtor and don't worry what people are playing or going back to.

You like swtor,bully for you, dont screw because others don't.

No, you misread him.  He isn't actually doing that.  what he's doing is calling out for help.  He wants to know what better MMORPG is out there:  One that offeres the new glam and glitter of ToR AND has all the features that WoW has to offer.  The sad thing is, that doesnt' exist, and it's not going to exist for a long time.  Some company with millions of dolalrs to spend is going to need to shift this community into the next phase of MMO.:  Massive Multyplayer Online Player Driven Worlds.

so true.. good post

I play EvE online.

Me reasons for hating on SWTOR has much more to do with its hypetrain, I also personaly Dislike EA as a publisher, I think they ruin good independent companies, bringing to much money and NO soul into the gaming industry. I also think that the copy cat train has to stop somewhere. You can compare my mindset to a greenpeace activist, or anny other organisation that fights for a cause, against something they think is an Injustice....

SWTOR is not a sanbox so it was never a game I would spend my money on. But what bothers me more is that from Independent Reviewers and the genral public ( people I know) (and people posting on forums about their concerns about the game) It looks like it isn't even a good theampark experince. Take away the VO and you are left with a shallow game, that offers little in the way of Innovation or progression for the genre.

I do play theamparks from time to time to entertain myself.. Playing Star Trek online right now and by the 16 of february I will start playing AION. Im an oldschool MMOR and I kinda like to grind. So Korean games do not bother me. For me its only a grind and if I have the Option of Killing X mobs in the same area or running around all over picking up quest and listening to voice overs I pick the first option. I even grind in theamparks that offer quests, Usally that makes levling go faster.. and Speed is what im after.. Leveling is just a time sink, I see no reason to bother with it longer then necessary. Back in the day me and my friends used to compeat who got to max first. So we pushed alot of hours come game day release. Many of us made schedules, Wake up at 7 a clock eat a good breakfast.. set the timer for 5 hours, grind like crazy. Get up go out for a walk, move around get some air. Come back eat a good lunch and play for another 5 hour straight. Take a dinner break, another walk, back to another 5-6 hours game time... Sleep.. rinse and repeat. For me MMOs are a competition, My fun factor either comes from me curbstomping someone or avoiding getting curbstomped...

Both Star trek and Aion are free to play.. and the quality these days on MMOs are so bad, that thats the only chans I will ever test them. All of them are just a very Inferior products compared to the level of player vs player interaction I get in a game like EvE online... Big publishers have decided though that this I the way to make money, so Im stuck playing 8+ year old games. I would be fun if something new in the Sandbox genre was made. But sadly we get games like WARHAMMER (2 servers left now I think) Champions online (free to play) AOC (not many servers left and free to play) STO (free to play) AION(free to play) DDO (free to play) and LOTRO (free to play) do we see a patern here?? EvE online (not free to play, and still growing) WoW (not free to play, still growing). Developers should come up with something Uniqe instead of copying games that have allready been done..

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by superniceguy

This thread should have gotten locked more so than the other one. It is has lost the plot for the most part, and who wants to wade through 93 pages?

I agree, my last post was meant for your thread but it was locked before I hit the button.

Wery Incompenently done to shut down the new thread..

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=294210

Lots of other threads but I think this one just shows that the mayority is either leaving.. on the fence or just to blind to see what is going on...

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

I'm sure it will still be a major factor, but if I can dodge the attacks of some fat troll who lacks the hand eye coordination to keep up with me  then I have a better chance then I do in WoW right?

From what i seen this far.. yes you can dodge out of the way.. making it much more about skill.. as he cant have you targeted.. Looks like you can even miss with Ranged in this game... so if it playes like that I will for one try it out..

10vs10 deathmatch...

You clearly see people jumping away from hits.. missing because people get out of the way etc...

If you can have random fights in Open world like this I think this can be really fun playing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw3FNInV6y8&feature=related

as long as you dont get distracted looking at  your Toons behind lolz

Combat looks really cool if you ask me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvw2FY6wFHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veg-CxbpKpY&feature=related

Lots of crazy fan service in this game..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKSibGPXBLs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9RCc8miDJw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSHBvWsE0OA&feature=related

This even gets me disturbed... lolicon design on these elin things..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLdSRJuMs7I

armour 1-58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXbFjAGeFJk&feature=related

Originally posted by lectrocuda

Tera is fun

 

Im a little confused about their skill and ability system, but I am having a lot of fun playing a sorceresss.

 

I will say the sexualization fo woman in the game is a little strange but look at the demographic its marketed to.

As a woman, I do hope as the game progresses I can get a non sexualized outfit lol, but as far as gameplay goes. Lots of fun. What I have seen from videos you get more and more naked the higher tier gear you put on :)....

 

Chat, thats another story. Its like Barrens chat time a gajillion, but blocking is easy and I really want to waste my day away playing this game which is something I havent wanted to do in a while.

 

I need to know whats up with this island, and the graphics are crazy, like some sort of twisted coloring book dream.

 

I say try it and make your own opinion and stop letting others tell you what to think. I mean, isnt that the reason the world is so crazy to begin with?

Sorry but we like you in sexualized grafics... Looking hot ingame and Being a woman IRL playing this game will score you alot of points... You can probably fool alot of sex starved males into doing your bidding.. More so if you have a sexy voice IRL... and looking like a sexbomb ingame... Im thinking on installing a Voice distortion program for this.. and pretend im a girl and flirt my way into free gear.... You being a woman dont even have to pretend... Im jealous...

We had a dude in our corp fooled for 6 months that a friend of mine really was a girl, using a very good Voice distortion program it was Hilaroious ;)

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Is this open or closed Beta? You just sparked my interest with FFA twitch based combat. 

its closed beta right now you can sign up on the webbsite...

Having no fraction and probably No holds bar Open PvP.. this going to be a hard game for the Carebaers. If you dont like to get griefed, you dont like others ingame having power over you, and cant thrive on the challenge of fighint others for dominance, if you are not into twitched based combat, that has more to do with your reflexes and Game setup, sugest a programable mouse like mine ( using a cyborg Rat and g15 logitec keyboard right now) dont have a good rig that gives you High FPS.. the game might not be for you...

Also you cant get frustrated by the grind, because this game is going to be grind friendly....

Its a game for me, but many people like the safty of games like SWTOR that focuses little on your social skills(getting along with others and building a comunity) and more on your single player experince... I find those games boring... I liked Dark souls better then Skyrim (skryim still a great game) I loved Ninja gaiden, I play games for the challenge.. My entertainment from a game is the challenge it offers..

The NPC MOBS can be piss easy.. dosent mean the PvP will be... and that is why im cheaking out TERA

Originally posted by echolynfan

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Zlayer77

 

 

 

 

 

Im the one who would make you cry and Unnistall SWTOR.. if the game let me Take your stuff and delevel you to 0.. Sadly its gamemechanis dont let me :( .. I would have bougt and installed the game long ago if it let me Mess with other playes and ruin their FUN time in the game... Now I can only  point out how medicore the game is..

You dont undestand how frustrating it is to know all you litte carebares are safe and sound In SWTOR.. and there is no way for me to get to you or make you send me hate mail, crying I destroyed your play time ingame...

No game company will waste their time and resources to make the type of game you want. Sorry, but no investor is that stupid.  

LOL - they already did - it's called Darkfall Online - custom made for all of those little basement dwelling, family murdering...running over the live buried cat with a lawnmower players :)

You also have EvE online... I cant delevel you but I can mostly do everything ells...  So sorry to burst your bubble but yes Developers still make games, like that. These types of games are Also hughe in Korea and Asia, but they like PvP to the extent that, clans have even taken fights outside Into IRL... That is dedication baby... Ending a game session at the Arcade with a Real knife fight in some back ally... (this has happend many times in Korea, no Joke)

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I still say SW:Tor is a safe haven for carebears... And its still frustrating we cant get to them...

Fact Bioware protects carebears in SWTOR from greifing, you cant delevlel them or kill them and Loot all of their gear.. leaving them naked on the ground,

Fact Bioware protects carebears from Scaming. You cant trick and fool people into sending you ingame money, and promise to send dubble the amount back.. but just keeping the money yourself...

Fact Biowar protects carebaers from perma death. You cant kill off peopes Charecters and force them to start over...

Fact Bioware protects carebears from Ninja looting. You get drops randomly how lame is that

Fact Bioware makes use of BOP and BOE. To protect against making any decent IRL cash selling stuff to lazy carebears outside the game..

Fact Bioware is protecting carebears from rage quitting in tears and unsubbing to the game Because of prevoiusly stated facts, how lame is that

All in all Bioware are the carebears champion and they have made a safe haven for them to hang out in.. and we cant get our dirty paws on them..

Are you being serious in this post?  You're mad that a game that cost $200 million to make is designed to keep players rather than be deserted like the other FFA loot PVP MMOs? 

 

There might be a shred of credibility in that argument if they ever claimed SWTOR would be that type of game.

The carebears are the once in Costumes.. hope you get the picture :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwcyJY9eEw

Originally posted by Matt_UK

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by Matt_UK

Originally posted by arieste

First of all - if you're like me and you've always thought that wasting most of the game's budget on voice was a terrible idea, then you need not reply, i already know your opinion :) 

 

What I'm curious about is the updated opinions of the folks that - prior to the game's launch - thought it was going to be a game-changer and the greatest thing since leia's slave outfit.  

 

I'm seeing more and more people - people who're avid fans of the game - admit that really, having every single dialogue voiced gets to be a bit of a drag (at best) or downright annoying (at worst).

 

So, to you that were excited the voicing, are you still excited about it?  Are you looking forward to LISTENING to 200 more "kill 10 rats" quests with generic dialogue that is fully voiced?   Or would you rather see the dialogue scaled back to the more important & interesting areas of the game, parts that actually have interesting story and characters whose names you might actually remember?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've got several characters in the 30s and i'm now just spacebarring through all the cutscenes thesedays, even the character story. I just don't have time to listen to all that guff and run around for twenty minutes between missions. The distances between mission givers and missions is a nightmare. It takes twice as long as other games to get the simpliest things done.

 

The voice acting and cutscenes were great at first, now they just get in the way of me playing the game and the short amounts of time I have to play.

 

I remember when AoC came out and everyone criticised it for having no cutscenes or voice acting outside of Tortage, because it felt 'unfinished' now i'm thinking FunCom were right.

Aoc dident Fail because they dident have voice overs after Tortage. It Failed because they couldent fix the Bugs fast enough. and the main story of AOC still had voice overs after Tortage... When you get your Tatoo removed etc.  I would go so far as to say that if Funcom had waited about 1 year before releasing the game, and had put in some more mayor plot lines after Tortage with voice over.. the game would have been a smash hit.

Also AOCs combat system was very skilled based from the begining, Items dident have a big Impact, you could kill people 20 plus levels above you without anny problem. But many Tab Target ability spam people couldent handle it, they got PAWNED horribly, because they lacked player skill. This also put many people off the product, they just couldent handle getting Rolf stomped by superior players. Another thing was Lack of content, after doing villas after villas ( small instances) to level my charecter it became boring....

Point being, If FUNCOM had explained more about the combat, had special training programs for NOOBS from other MMOS, Devs holding combat lessons in a BG Enviorment maybe?  And had enough conent so you dident have to do the same things over and over plus had about 80% less bugs at Release AOC would have been one of the largest MMOS today...

 

I didn't say it failed because there was no voice acting after 20, I said it was criticised. Read my post properly please.

 

I just realised you said it wasn't the lack of voice acting why it failed, it was the bugs, and then say if there was voice acting after 20 it would have been a smash hit. So the bugs wouldn't have mattered then if the game was better designed?

What I ment was.. If they had taken more time with the game before Release. By that I mean polished the game, had enough quest 2 do, so you dident have to grind many parts of it. Explained the combat mechanics better for run of the mill MMO player who were used to TAB target/ablility spam. And on top of that added a few COOL storylines that were VO ( I say a few here) the game would have been a smash hit.

I really liked the combat, but I riged myself with a G15 keyboard, and a programable mouse, plus Im used to playing FPS games, and I have a fast RIG.. this gave me clear advantages against other players in PvP in AOC.. They should have explained to Joe Casual MMOer that, even if you are 20 levels above someone, your gear will not help you much if your Opponent stays out of reach and smacks you with a Polearm.  I had some fun with a Rouge I was level 50 and he was level 70.. I pawned him 5 times In a row, just by using movment and my Reach.. and he keept telling me I dident know how to PvP because I dident stand still. AOC is the only MMO were I have beaten people in open world fights 1vs5... Just because I understood the gaming mechanics.. For example if you wernt grouped you hit other players.. even if they were your friends or you jumped into a fight trying to help someone who was getting griefed you could end up hurting the person you were helping. I took full advantage of this.

So my point.. less Bugs, more content, and 3-5 more voiced over storylines after Tortage and Age of conan would have been a smash Hit...( and done away with the Instance thing, because it got annoying). As you can see BUGs comes at the first of the list and more voice comes last