Originally posted by goflish

When darkfall announced their first planned release for DF2 mmorpg was all over it, however now that the luanch is set in stone nobody's talking about it.

I wonder if this is a sign about how crowded DF2 launch will be?

 The problem was even AV themselves was not talking about it.

All I got about the launch was 1 lousy email today - and even that was because I have played this game in the past.

When they put NO effort into advertising themselves you can't expect others to do so for you.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Ya i did watch the show,it was ok,not the best of script writing though,quite generic and quite cheesy at times.

I am in the same boat on cost,i just  do not see Defiance game being worth 60 bucks.

You can look at Trion's "feature" list and see how badly they struggled to find a selling point.

 

• Futuristic open-world shooter  This is not a feature
• Massive co-op boss battles    Could be considered a feature,not enough to warrant 60 bucks.
• Advanced human and alien weaponry  Well we EXPECT weapons in games,NOT a feature.
• Fierce Shadow War multiplayer  Pvp is not really a feature. 
• Evolving world with constant content updates Well yes we expect updates in games,again not a feature.

 It is interesting that people say this is no 60 bucks and yet when Borderlands 2 came out people gobbled that up like chocolate cheesecake.

Those features listed above are basically same shit as Borderlands/Borderlands 2 - with the exception that this is massively multiplayer and Borderlands wasn't.

So how can this game worth LESS than Borderlands/Borderlands 2?

That is WHY I can't sympathize when people keep on saying it is NOT worth $60. You actually get MORE value for money with Defiance because you get access FREE to a server, online.

Originally posted by BrownAle

They potentially removed key drops on side missions. You need keys to buy loot lock boxes and is the primary source of decent gear. This led a few derpy people to the knee jerk reaction that they would have to use the cash shop to buy them, because getting keys from arkfalls and buying them with the tech currency apparently was ignored.  So instead of being able to buy loot lock boxes every 15-20minuets it now is going to take like an hour.  Most people salvage their lock box loot so they can buy more of the keys they need to buy more lockboxes...on top of dropped loot.  Its REALLY easy to get those boxes even after the keys got removed as a reward for some of the side missions and repeatable stationary events (you can walk into an oil refinery and trigger the mission any time you want for example, oil refinery will always be there and some side missions take you there and have you do other stuff on top of the event)

So a couple people posted that Trion = EA and the thread got locked lol.

 Quite basically those people are playing it wrong themselves and blaming Trion.

Lockboxes are useless - they are waste of credit and keys. I've never gotten any synergy capable weapons from them. You are better off getting resources from critical kills using sniper rifles (which is why I use sniper rifle a lot - with one of the perks in cloak you get very frequent item loots).

Synergy mod boxes are the ONLY thing that anyone should waste script + keys on. That and any good epic gears WITH proc effect WITH synergy capability that sometimes comes up on vendors.

Originally posted by taurak

Nothing wrong with the ability to play solo.

Stealthers will absolutely be able to play solo, if they're designed correctly.

Casters will likely be solo capable, especially if you're fighting in the big battle thats happening. If its anything like DAoC you'll still gain some gold/exp from anything that dies that you'd hit with a spell.

 If you are in a big battle then you are ALREADY NOT SOLOING.

If your foe was distracted by something else in the environment or another fight with another player and you've jump them you are ALREADY NOT SOLOING.

You do realise that someone or something was helping you/indirectly putting the fight in your favour right? lol

Originally posted by ShakyMo

this is why i find planetside 2 far far more enjoyable than GW2

I know who killed me and what outfit they belonged too

I've been fighting the same people for 5 months, not some random collection of nameless dudes that change every 2 weeks (or in the early days took a free transfer to the winning server)

Faction locks need to be hard, this is why games like daoc and planetside work and games like TSW and GW2 don't.

 Totally agree for pvp games.

Only when rivialry exist can there be a feeling of immersion.

And you can't feel immersion fighting people that are nameless to you. It will be no different than playing pve otherwise.

Originally posted by Burntvet

 I do not disagree. My complaint is that SOE never tested the finished items with the capped or near capped values to see what the effects were. Not so much of the "how" or when those values came into play. That was a failure of testing. Had SOE had testers run around with 90% comp, 3k doc buffs, and high end CM mind poison, they would have seen how it skewed things like PvP, high end PvE, and group dynamics. (Especially on the CM mind poison thing... it was stupidly OP for a combat medic to be able to take out large PvP groups because of unblockable/unhealable mind poison AOEs.) But they didn't, and moreover did not care enough to think on how to fix things in a smart way.

 I think you are right in that they didn't foresaw that at all.

And I suspect that by CU they were already planning NGE behind the players backs - and are no longer concerned with those details.

The entire system rewrite has to be under development for a while - there was no way that it was ready as sudden as the announcement otherwise.

Originally posted by lordtwisted

You are wrong about the "Mature" crowd. I am 40, have a part time job, go to school full time, Married and two kids, plus a few other hobbies besides video games. 

 And yes, while on average I will reach the teen levels in an MMO in the time that most of the "younger" crowd will be at max level, it's because of this that I no longer care about the stupid race to level that we all seem to be inclined to do at the release of a new game. 

 But your assumption is based on the fact that you are ALREADY a gamer (which in effect negate the entire point of what I was saying about people watching the show, THEN subsequently know about and got into the game scenario).

Which means you play defiance and know about defiance as a game first NOT as the show first. (The comment about the mature crowd is the analysis on the TV watchers, NOT the gaming crowd).

So actually you are proving my point to be exactly correct - the game seems to be bringing in the crowd for the TV show, not so much the other way around.

Originally posted by Burntvet

 

A lot of the /snipped stuff were symptoms of the same problem: SOE's inability to run a game over the long term. Doc buffs, and comp armor, and all the rest were not a huge problem, UNTIL the really high number value resources rolled around and that did not happen for a year or so on all servers. SOE simply did not test things out, using equipment approaching the max values, because they didn't think about it or that those values would be hit. 3k doc buffs were de-stablizing to overall game play, so was 90% comp and 500 per tick mind poison from CMs. Had they capped the max values of that stuff at some reasonable levels, or seen the need to do so, it would have prevented a whole lot of other problems. Instead SOE did one thing after another with no thought to what the overall and long-term gameplay consequences would be. Too bad SOE has no foresight, at all.

 To be fair I don't thik the resource system was pre-generated values - they are dynamic, unlike in most other games.

That why you see so many of those exceptional values are here 1 day and people will swoop to by those resources and gears and they will be gone the next.

It is quite difficult to test things in environment such as that.

If the resource system was like WoW where quality is static and availability doesn't fluctuate I would agree with you.

I think the dynamic resource and experimentation aspect of SWG pre-cu was that reason why SWG was loved by crafters in the first place.

Originally posted by Lahuzer
While I think the DF community is among the most hostile communities I've ever encountered. The once that is mature, are among the best I've encountered. So don't worry. They are there, and are quite easy to spot.

 All pvp centric games have hostile communities between rivals (and I mean all - have not seen one that doesn't)

Emotions tends to run high in pvp games.

Originally posted by ShakyMo

to be fair its not as important in defiance - as all content can be done in guild.

 Good point.

In fact most of the content can even be soloed (besides co-op missions of course) - since there is dynamic difficulty adjustments depending on group size for things such as arkfalls.

Originally posted by ShakyMo

in game voice will be very handy for AVA

my planetside 2 guild runs two platoons (well sometimes 3), 1 in guild, the other public.

the in game voice is vital for the public platoon so that people not in guild can follow orders.

Its also handy as they have a channel for platoon leaders across faction to coordinate

 It depends on the quality of the ingame voice support though.

Planetside 2's voice quality was quite good and was pretty clear (kudos to them).

Defiance's voice quality is absolutely woeful - I turn them off if someone has it on. I hear less than 10% of what they are saying because the quality was so bad.

Originally posted by Zadawn
This game is not worth the hassle imo

 If you ever think that ANY of your gaming experience is a "hassle" you probably should just do something else instead of gaming in general.

Even when I play the crappiest game I won't think it was a "hassle". I would think it was shit, but shit is not the same as "hassle".

Originally posted by jpnole
I have been a big sci fi fan since the days of watching 1960s Star Trek re runs in the 80s. I was very impressed with the show last night. I was not nearly as impressed by the open beta though.

 I think that was expected - of any game to tv show links.

If the show was WORSE than the game than that would imply the show is absolutely woeful and means that show is not worth primetime tv quality.

Most DF players will be older people.

Don't think kids or people with immature mentality can handle being kill and looted.

Originally posted by Xirik

who praised it? not enough people to make it viable as a bussiness it seems or it would still be here.

 SWG existed until Lucasarts wanted a new MMO in swtor.

UO is STILL around.

Originally posted by Warmaker

Originally posted by Burntvet

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by precuorbust

An example of Pre-CU...  You could never ONCE set foot into combat, yet be as valueble if not more so than an alpha class Jedi...

By being a Doctor who set himself up to provide optimum combat buffs by buying or making the best, etc.

Or by being the weaponsmith who made the best Krayt fitted weapons on the server.

Or by being the best armorsmith, who made the 90% stun comp armor...

Or by being an available entertainer, and giving those mind buffs...

God I miss that.

 

Wow this sounds a lot like AoW. 

 

Original SWG was 10X the game AoW could ever be on its best day. Especially the crafting.

One of the early major faults in the Pre-CU days was, in hindsight, Doctor Buffs. 

 I totally agree (only glimpsed through your reasoning, but I know what are you getting at because I had a similar view)

Doctor buffing was out of control and set an artificial standard for gears. It is kinda like a preview of what will happen to sports if there were no anti-doping agencies.

Originally posted by Bigmac1910
Nintendo launched the Wii U late last year, approx as powerful as the Xbox360 / PS3, and they really screwed up their marketing campaigns, thats why few people have heard of them.

 Not true. Not true at all (as well as a few others who was saying Wii failed).

Wii is doing VERY WELL in the apac regions. It is just NOT doing well in US.

It has a tendency of that because a lot of Wii games are NOT in English and NOT made for Western crowds.

It has been making a killing for the last few years in Asia - so much so that Sony and Microsoft have to release action feedback controllers to try to corner the market that Wii has taken.

And the principle of international business for the last 10 years is, if something is selling well in East Asia (China, HK, Japan, Korea, TW, Singapore, Malaysia, etc), who needs US/Europe? East Asia's current population size and spending power easily outstrips US by a mile. US is in recession, Asia is in growth.

Nintendo is doing very well.

Originally posted by Burntvet
While Defiance is much better comparatively as a game, we will see what the show turns out to be: good or an overly CGI'd crapfest.

 The show is not overally CGI - because obviously this is a post-apoc sci-fi series not a space one like Babylon 5 or something. It is kinda similar to Firefly (with the similar wild west post-apoc feel).

Thats said I personally don't feel the show will bring much of the mature crowd to the game obviously, because of the fact that online games are time consuming and not a lot of adults who have time to watch shows will have time to play games.

Watching shows is easy - you can even watch them in the toilet via mobile. Online games however requires players to be in front of tv/PC to play it. With the fact that there are so many good shows currently showing this year (Game of Thrones, Vikings, Hannibal, etc) I don't the think a lot of the TV crowd who watched Defiance will translate to playing the game.

I believe it is rather the other way around (the game will make the show more popular/known).

1 v 1 warplots will be quite stupid if they were going to have it (which they don't) if you think about it - it is basically a feud between 2 lousy neighbours.

1 v 1 is not a "war" lol... it is just a fight.

Originally posted by TheScavenger

How solable will this MMO be?  

 It won't be.

You've chose the wrong mmo to ask this question mate.