I think people use that term when it:

is an MMORPG

at a glance it could look like WoW with the UI being part of it.

I don't quite get the screwed "pricing structure" that people are complaining about. I thought EQ2X and DDO were about the same in that after you level up to around 40-50(not sure what it is for DDO) you are presented with a problem where continuing to play is going to be much more impracticle unless you subscribe or pay for new content.

What a let down. I was expecting a 1/10 for WoW's community, you know, with needing Real id to control their horrible community and all.

Halo isn't a TPS.. but on that same trail of thought you could say Planetside is the game you are looking for.

Earthrise is a MMOTPSRPG in the works.

I voted yes even though I'm not buying in the near future. I wouldn't make a snap decision on not buying it because of a certain feature.

You're right, you should get a message before you get the quest saying... "Whoa hold up there gamer! Are you rapidly clicking through dialog text to accept this NPC's quest? Didn't you know that this quest is heroic with rewards you cannot use? You didn't subscribe, not very heroic of you, is it? Noo...

Why did you do the quest in the first place if it was something you couldn't use, ie. legendary or higher. You can see the reward before doing it.

At least when you subscribe you can use it. Its not like you got nothing at all.

Well, Eyelids sufficiently derailed the thread. go pvp! eh

I can see what the OP is coming from when looking at games with pvp like AoC and such. I think WAR's pvp played well in the first year. It was about keeping pvp the central part of the game and pvp was always there no matter your level even though it was more of a casual pvp experiance. You either have the MMORPG have pvp almost all the way through or tacked on as an end game activity. The problem with having it always integrated is that you have far more uneven matched fights with lvl 4s vs lvl44s (unless there is a system to prevent it).

In my experience PvP and the RPG part work against each other. I don't particularly like attempting unwinnable fights. When you have the opportunity for a large progession gap thats what ends up happening. I'd much rather have a very limited effect from leveling and have pvp a central part of the game or the other option of a pvp end game where its also limited  with more emphasis on actual skill of playing your character opposed to level and gear.

Let it be how it is supposed to be and not how everyone thinks it should be. It'd be a F'D up mess if everyone gets a say in the design of TOR which is why BW has these intelligent and experianced profressional developers there to do it.

One person's disappointment is a blessing to another.

Archmage/ Shaman is the only healer/ caster and I've played Archmage and its very fun but mostly in RvR.

I think it would have helped to say that from the start. If you really mean well with your criticism and hope Bioware will improve TOR, why not come out and say it? You should have seen this coming.

I think this is a great idea. In fact I had the same idea and wondered how well it will work out.

but whats this? Everyone here seems to be complaining? Does that mean everyone complaining likes to grind for hours and hours instead of doing more than just killing? hm

Nice vid. It was neat to see Pankor Zhi. That was one of the few places I never did explore even though I did have a DE character.

Originally posted by lightblade

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by lightblade

I admit that I haven't read much on SW:TOR.  I figured the place that I can get a good sense of the game is to just ask :P.  So can all you SW:TOR fanbois out there give me a quick overview of what's good about SW:TOR?  Kind of like the kind of introduction you'll find on the game's box?

I only want to hear about positive things.  If you're going to relate to other games, that's fine, but please only positive comments about them.

Goto the official site there is also a FAN video out which gives a nice wrapper around a lot of the collateral they have published on the site around 10 minute summary posted as of last friday.

But in summary it is the Star Wars IP and Bioware are developing the game , that pretty much should sign the deal.

Link please and thank you.

Bioware doesn't mean anything to me.  It's the actual product they make.  Sure, Bioware made a few good or even great games.  But that does not automatically make every game they make live up to the same quality.

"Bioware doesn't mean anything to me.  It's the actual product they make.  Sure, Bioware made a few good or even great games.  But that does not automatically make every game they make live up to the same quality."

I find this to be both interesting and amusing because I seem to hear this a lot from skeptics and yet everyone seems to think everything Blizzard makes games of pure gold. But Bioware is coming into the MMO genre no different. This is their first MMORPG and they both have made some exceptional games in the past. One big difference though is that Bioware has been making more new games with new designs and Blizzard has been rehashing making sequels. Not saying anything about you personally, just a general observation.

Story. Its supposedly going to be like the equivalent of 1 KOTOR per class. So if you like making alts thats like 600+hours to play through.

I already beat the game, imo. I don't think I'd ever accept any come back campaign, ever. If I did want to check it out I'd want 3 days or more free activation. Generally if you quit a mmo its not going to be that easy to lure someone back IF they put down at least 45 bucks to do so.

If devs could instead of stealing their WoW interest, literally take player's characters from WoW's database and put them on their own "Wow Way" "WoW clone" then I think they might have had some success. But there is probably a law against that or something.

C&C Renegade. I got hyped up for the game like crazy and it wasn't nearly as good as I hoped. Loved the C&C games but Renegade didn't feel enough like C&C nor did the gameplay hold up, esp for multiplayer.

Definately going to buy this when it comes out.

=IMO WARNING= Nothing else other than GW is worth even the box price as it stands. =IMO WARNING=