I watched the video. They were honest in their opinions and I can respect that. Either they loved it or hated it, they had some good points. I don't think that star wars fans appreciate honest opinions tinged with negative feelings towards star wars related merchandise.

My decision for TSW is to wait until 2 months post launch. After that all the hype will have died down and the reviewers that I trust would have already thrown in their lots on the game. I also was very excited about this one until I discovered certain things.

1) The Subscription + Box sale + Microtransaction Model

Big turnoff for me. Feels like it has the potential to double, if not, triple dip into the players wallets. I would accept either - or, but all three seems like a heavy investment into a game regardless of the companies past performance.

2) EA got involved as a publisher.

Another huge turnoff for me. If EA wasn't notorious for dirty tricks like this, then I wouldn't be as apprehensive of doing business with them. I also have some lingering doubts due to what they pulled on Steam. They (EA) acts like a selfish, uncaring, shovelware producing house that cares nothing of what the players want, just focused on shareholders.

3) 2012 is going to be a big year.

Sure is, with a slew of big name titles being released next year I feel that I will be selling myself short by pre-dedicating myself to a game that I haven't yet played. I want to windowshop for a bit and then let my natural gaming instincts decide of what and where I want to spend my time and money. I do have to at some point in time buy a Wii and Xenoblade Chronicles after supporting OpRa's camaign. 

I am not as easily sold (hyped) as I used to be. Beta invite or no beta invite, it's going to take a damn good game to win me over.

Originally posted by CharSol

Originally posted by Inktomi

Not that I'm bitter either but I didn't get into the SWTOR beta, or the Secret World beta for that matter. Pfft, just means that I'm going to wait until its released and listen to what certain parts of the community says. Then and only then will I plunk down some cash for the game.

When a company holds a beta and requires people to pre-order or even order the game client before they get to play it, I have a problem with that. That was a dirty trick that Trion used and NCSoft used with Aion. Played both and cancelled both pre-orders. I do regret not following through with Aion though, it actually turned out to be a halfway decent game.

 

 

 

I'd agree if that were true but I preordered aions ago and the only access I ever got was the beta weekend that anyone and his dog could join. My boyfriend however has been invited more than once despite the fact that I am the one paying for my copy of the game and his copy of the game. So I am getting rather irritated right about now. I'm expecting that he will get into early access earlier too because he got to redeem his code slightly before me because I was at work.

I wouldn't say something here if it wasn't true. You might have been talking about the last stages of Aion's open beta stage. I was there for that all the way back to CBT Weekend 1 because I pre-ordered it at my local gamestop. By the time you were playing with everyone and his brother, I had pulled my pre-order.

Maybe your situation was different than mine, doesn't make mine untrue, just makes it different.

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Inktomi

Not that I'm bitter either but I didn't get into the SWTOR beta, or the Secret World beta for that matter. Pfft, just means that I'm going to wait until its released and listen to what certain parts of the community says. Then and only then will I plunk down some cash for the game.

When a company holds a beta and requires people to pre-order or even order the game client before they get to play it, I have a problem with that. That was a dirty trick that Trion used and NCSoft used with Aion. Played both and cancelled both pre-orders. I do regret not following through with Aion though, it actually turned out to be a halfway decent game.

 

i got offered the beta, but didn't accept. more because of the timing and being unable to download the large files at that time of the month. my isp would've cut my speeds down to 56k for reaching the limit (australian isps have some odd ideas of what "unlimited downloads" means). i'm not annoyed about missing out. it's looking like what i expect it to be: a time filler until gw2.

not sure why you tacked on that last part about companies requiring you to pre-order, because i didn't pre-order swtor to get into the beta. australians can't actually pre-order it there anyway. just signed up months ago as a volunteer is all.

I'll explain: That last part had nothing to do with SWTOR, it had mainly to do with the two companies I mentioned. Just another way that publishers are using beta as an excuse to get players to pay money for something that used to be free. Coyote, the original article writer detailed some differences between his experience in past betas and I was merely pointing out some other new tactics that some devs are adopting that annoy me. 

It was a new paragraph, new topic, unrelated to the SWTOR point. Hope that cleared things up.

Not that I'm bitter either but I didn't get into the SWTOR beta, or the Secret World beta for that matter. Pfft, just means that I'm going to wait until its released and listen to what certain parts of the community says. Then and only then will I plunk down some cash for the game.

When a company holds a beta and requires people to pre-order or even order the game client before they get to play it, I have a problem with that. That was a dirty trick that Trion used and NCSoft used with Aion. Played both and cancelled both pre-orders. I do regret not following through with Aion though, it actually turned out to be a halfway decent game.

I played MO for a month, because I got the client on a sale and that came with it. Buggy mess with nothing but griefers and GM's that gave you anything you wanted back if you died from your horse bugging out. And it bugged out all the time.

Anywho, left that like the fat ugly chick at the end of a bar.

I don't know what to think of SWTOR, I passed up the beta and the most exposure I have are watching some other players streams.  It looked well put together, but at times the players were like "wtf is this", so I knew there were problems.

Unfortunately, Todd Howard from Bethesda was right when he said, "I'm not really an MMO guy. I respect them, I look at them, but I don't play them. It feels more real to me when I'm the hero and it's crafted for that." 

If they turned TES into an online franchise, then it would kill off the modding community, who serve two purposes: 1) They fix all of the games shortcomings, 2) Provide DLC and both are done for free for the company and the playerbase.

Not a bad deal if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Hodo
MORTAL ONLINE!

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Mortal what... That travesty still alive?

I think at one point the dev's of all the big MMO's approached Bethesda and paid them not to make an MMO. If done right, it would crush many of the weaker ones.

Originally posted by Caila

Originally posted by Inktomi

Mining in Null or Wormhole space is by no means casual.

Null and Wormholes provide increased income for Miners at the risk of having to keep one eye on local.

But really if you are mining there then something is wrong because there are Sactums, Complexes and Sleeper Sites right next door.

Perhaps if your making Ammo in a Wormhole you would Mine but not that much. Sleeper and Exploration Sites take up most of your time. In Null everything is bought from Trade Hubs and brought down in Jump Freighters.

There is no local in WH space, not unless someone speaks in local, and you never speak in local in W-space, its an unwritten rule. I lived in a WH for the latter half of my EVE tour with my ally. Spamming D-scan while you do everything - ratting, hacking, mining, Pi, escalations etc. C5's are rough because  invaders can bring almost anything in due to the latency of the holes. At least in null you have your local, but that's not always going to show you where people are coming in from. 

Mining in empire space, sure - afk then click roll it over into your cans or preferably an orcas hold. If your using cans then you are subject to the age-old pirate pastime of flipping. And don't forget the random hulkageddon that might start at any time.

What are they up to now IV,  V? Don't know if Helicity even plays any longer.

Anything you do in EVE can run a risk that balances out with the reward ratio. More risk - more reward, less risk - vice versa.

If someone wants to mine then that is their choice of play style, and no one can effectively tell anyone what play style is the best, because everyone is different.

Originally posted by Caila

Originally posted by Myria

Are you seriously suggesting that it's not that game's fault that overall it has the most boring PvE play in MMO history and that mining -- a necessary activity for the economy of the game to function, mind you -- may well be the most boring activity ever devised by man?

1. Incursions, DED Complexes and Sleeper Sites are very interesting as well as COSMOS and Epic Arcs. Just because You find it boring does not mean the 300k Subscribers do.

2. There are other ways to get Minerals in EVE and a very large portion do not come from Mining. That said Mining is not boring it is Alt Tabing back to empty your hold every 15Min while you enjoy a Movie. It is AFK activity and if your Core Gameplay is this games Passive Income Generator that is your own fault.

 

Mining in Null or Wormhole space is by no means casual.

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Originally posted by CDevito

Love cash shops, how much can player X spend to be better than player Y. x+y = developer payday!

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I dear Lordy, lordy lord! They went the way of the Rokh for the Naga's design. I love it, now they just need a battleship version of the Drake and my life is complete.

Oh wait...I don't have my EVE account active. Oh wait, I don't have EVE installed!??!?! 

This video...they just sent me a free...5....day...pass...

....must resist.....

....will...failing...

I'm clicking my heels together, remembering "Greed....is....good. greed...is...goooood"

NO CCP, NOT COMING BACK, NO,NO....

NO!!!!

Nice keyboard!

Looks hot and it bears the same name as my EVE character.

100 bucks

>mfw

What bothered me about Conan was that they chose that old IP over working on Anarchy Online. I think that the players needed a better version of that game rather than another sword and scorcery hack and slash.

Originally posted by ZizouX

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by GaySue

I have been keeping an eye on this and it is still getting horrible reviews.  I think this game was still-born tbh. 

I agree. Waiting around a year or more for an admittedly (by the company itself) bad game to get better is moronic. There are way to many other titles to play. Why on earth waste your time on this?

But, to each his own I guess.

This isn't about new mmo's vs. old.  FFXIV is fundamentally different in playstyle than anything else on the market.  It also has huge potential for a PS3 rebirth since most Japanese gamers prefer Ps3 as their gaming platform of choice.

 

I plan on playing FFXIV and SWTOR at the same time.  I like apples and oranges....

I might get this for PS3 if the price is right. Nawt spending 60 USD

I ran the benchmark and scored below 1000 and I think my time to freeload this is over. What really turned me off was that an oldtimer from FFXI went and played it and came back to XI saying that it was boring. Going to keep tabs on it though. Guess I will have to settle for VS and FFXIII-2 in January.

Hmmm. The Secret World.

I have been monitoring this game since its announcement a few years ago. Has it been years already? Sheesh. Went to the forums that were teeming with speculation and activity. There was an ARG, I got involved and have some nifty little coded card for it. Nothing happened since then, the ARG's stopped and everyone was hangin off of Tornquists twitter feed. The forums are still an active place for conspiracy theory, speculation and conversation about TSW, check it out.

Since then I have learned much more about TSW. I am intriqued, yet find it equally hard to get overly excited about it anymore.

I do like 500 skills and no template, create your own class.

I do like no armor or weapons in the game, everything is based off buying skills.

I do not like the fact that some skills have the possibility to be bought from the CS.

I do not like the fact that it may become a meta-gaming min-maxers dream, "this build or go home-can you heal, I'll tank-we need a fire mage" etc...

I do like the fact that it has three realms or factions.

I do not like compartmentalized PvP, like warzones, but if its the zone is available 24/7 and you can jump in, jump out then it will create a nice diversion for questing/dungeon crawling.

I do like the real world setting and real world research. Google was, is and will always be my friend.

Please admit that you never consulted a wiki about any game while playing it.

I do like the Illuminati, since they are based in NY and I'm from NY, it seems like a perfect fit.

I do not like games with subscriptions and item malls. It is what I call double-dipping the player.

I do not like overhyped games cough ::: Star wars :::cough::: especially when they do not live up to it and it costs people money to find out the hard way.

INB4: "Yeah, but you bought Skyrim on release!" Yes, I did, but am a big fan of the series, Bethesda has an incredible track record and I was already talking to Australia about it who were saying OMGZGOTY!

What I am going to do, what I suggest to anyone: Let this game get released, sit back and let the first-nerd-herd (tm) run in and watch the reaction for a month or two. If the reviews and attitude are overly positive, then you will know what to do.

Don't get burned again.

Can someone confirm if they reinstated the monthly fee, I can pick up the CE on eBay for 20 bucks. Is it worth it?

Have you tried Batmuds? It's been advertised on the wee bottom banner of this site. I went to the website, downloaded the client and never followed through. Got sidetracked by a new game.

Originally posted by taus01

DUNE!

Seriously? 7 Pages and not one mention of DUNE! Makes a perfect MMO:

Faction PvP (Atreides, Harkonnen, Imperial Sardaukar,  Tleilaxu, Fremen, Navigators Guild, Bene Geseriy)

Fight for contorl of Planet Arakis. "Those who control the spice control the universe." (open PvP Planet)

Spice as combat booster, spice gas to travel through space, spice melange as "Mana" for Mentats.

 

The Dune universe practically screams MMO!

Wow, you got me. It's been so long that I practically forgot about Dune. Dang it. You're right, With all the different houses it would be a pvp free for all. 

House Atreides or House Harkonnen?

I'm not here to criticize anyone's picks, but share my own. I love everyones responses, while some might not have great compatibility as full fledge MMO's, they would all make good games in their own right.