I was there in the beginning too, not only from '97 UO and '99 EQ, but the forgotten games that came before... early 90s Gold Box NWN, the TSN/INN Yserbius games, yeah... old school.

Ok so the credentials are out of the way, and I'm just going to say what enormous BULLSHIT some of you are spewing, those of  you pretending that these old school games weren't just as much about stats and me me me as any game today. Yeah I know we can all look back and retrospectively craft these epic "personal stories", and pretend we were into, you know, the scenery and shit.  But I know better, and I know that deep down you all do too. Unless you were a hard core RP'er, getting upset when anyone near you had the gall to throw down any sort of /OOC, then please spare us these false memories.

Nobody had fun leaving their sharpest long sword at home when going up against ye olde' dragon, you all did it because you were afraid someone would gank your shit. That's it. Nothing grandiose, no wonderful storytelling, no amazing... hey here I am in my skivvies on the edge of this dark forest, THIS IS GREAT, type thing. No, if you could have taken your best gear and pwned mobs all the live long day, you'd have done it in a heart beat.

As a fellow old schooler I laugh at those of you that still pretend we were better, or the gaming available to us was better, than players have now. Similarly, I suppose some of you still think Ultima IV is still the deepest CRPG around. More power to you, I guess.

But it's not.

Look, I think most MMO PVP is lame but this is nothing more than an example of a player that doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Dude, you wanted to "pvp unflag yourself" on a PVP server? Are you an idiot?

Roll PvE if you are interested in optional, part time PvP.

I tried STO and ended up hating it. Even got burned on a lifetime sub (yeah boo me). But everyone has their individual taste in MMOs, and I'm glad you're enjoying the game.

Originally posted by Axeion

Originally posted by Arnstrong

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Blizzard still cares, and listen and the panel, The Shattering Novel, and Cataclysm proves it.

Obviously red shirt kid does. They should give him a job.

And ... they already included the fan in the game (picture above comes from the latest Beta).

Great move: the guy is already a hero in and out of the game. A week after the event: he gets his own NPC ...

Grtz ! And please SaintViktor: stop spinning lies about Wow developpers: we all know you hate Blizzard with a passion.

 Yeah or it could be took as their makeing fun of red shirt.Which im leaning that way because while Blizzard has had rl fans afect game  cannon.Why would that character need a fact checker?Seems more that their trying to make good or make fun of some one who knows more about their lore than they do.

I pretty much hate Blizzard but seriously, damned if you do damned if you don't. If that is Blizzard's idea of making fun, hell, sign me up. lol

So... accept that the control interface is a crappy port and that PC gamers were never REALLY intended to play this game... oh and spend "5-6 hours(!!!!)" tweaking your video settings and, oh yeah, overclocking your video card. And then you can play.

That about it then?

Glad you and others are able to deal with it and enjoy it, but come on, your post doesn't exactly refute the naysayers.

Oh look, MMO snobs on mmorpg. How unusual.

OMG BIOWAREZ LIKE CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED AND STUFF!

Originally posted by Arioc

I think I'd be more interested to try (yes I played Crescent Hawk's Inception and Revenge :D) if the tilesets were more interesting. The screenshots on the site display what looks like cloud's rendered in photoshop as the tileset and no trees/terrain at all.  While I enjoy tactical grid combat, I do require some "setting" for my battles rather then a checkerboard.

Honestly, the bland battlefields are  my biggest complaint about DS as well. It's a regular topic of conversation on the forums. But I think that the entire game as it comes together though more than makes up for it. If you do decide to check it out (which I hope you do) and would like a bit of help from a fellow old school CBT gamer, give me a shout. =)

The "Combat Drop" expansion is just around the corner, a few days at most.

It was nice to see a few people drop in from mmorpg, we could def use the fresh blood. =) If anyone giving the game a shot has any questions, I go by the same name in game, feel free to look me up.

www.drop-shock.com

Originally posted by Sovrath

My opinion is that the guild leader was into drama.

All he had to do was say "hey, I know it was a movie but we're trying not to have expletives in guild chat". Given that it was a move it seems extreme but if that's how he wants it then that's how he wants it.

He didn't need to kick the op. It was all about "drama".

These types of people are poison in my book so better not to be a part of it.

^ This 100%

I've been fortunate to, mostly, be part of great guilds. However, I did once join a guild with a drama-addict guild leader.

He would go on and on about how drama free his guild was, and how he took it so seriously to nip drama in the bud before it could take root. However, the reality was daily drama... all of it coming straight from that same GL. He'd kick players, even long time players, on a whim for the slightest (often nonexistent) infraction. I was new, and I didn't really know anyone well, so I kept my mouth shut. Really I knew I'd move on soon enough, after a good look on the inside, but I didn't have anywhere better to go just yet.

Anyway, one player - really nice guy - had his 15 year old nephew invited. Everyone knew the kids age, from the GL on down. And the kid was quiet, respectful and a fairly decent player. Well, a day or two later this GL goes into one of his daily flameouts and boots the kid, as a "precaution" because "15 year olds cause drama". Mind you he (the kid) wasn't even connected, nor was his uncle.

Well, this bothered me and an hour or so later I posted on the guild forums. It was a public post, in general discussion, a decision I made deliberately as I already knew what the response would be and I wanted the exchange to be in public. I calmly stated that the kicking of this kid was highly disrespectful not only to him, but to his uncle, and that from my perspective there not only was no drama to justify the kick but there had been no drama whatsoever in the guild at all to justify any of the kicks I had witnessed.

I was myself shortly kicked, mercilessly attacked as a source of guild drama (by the GL) and chased/harassed across Azeroth for the next couple days.

So yes, GL's can be among the BIGGEST sources of drama in a guild. And while I don't know the actual facts behind the OP's situation, and he may have been responsible in some undisclosed way, it seems just as possible that the GL was cut from the same cloth as the one I experienced.

Takes a real "pro player" to insult a game aimed at young children. Or did you guys, by any chance, misunderstand and think "Helly Kitty Online" was going to be heavily marketed to a traditional demographic.

But then, I suppose your 4, 5 and 6 year olds are all going to be playing games like Mortal Online, aren't they?

As someone that played original UO from day 1 for several years, and loved every minute of it, I think it needs to be acknowledged that its day is past. A decent number of people still play for nostalgic purposes but to even fool yourself for a second into believing a new generation of players could be enticed to move to first generation Ultima Online... that's not just wishful thinking, it's crazy talk.

I'm an old MUD/MUSH'er, I don't even need graphics... give me text, I'm fine, but even I acknowledge "history" when I'm looking at it.

Truly damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Choosing to be an MMO dev these days has to be some kind of masochism.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Katrar

So yeah I was, like, at Krispy Kreme yesterday buying a dozen of their glazed donuts. The manager stopped by the cash register with a bag and said, "Hey, I noticed you're buying a dozen glazed. Good choice, that's what we're famous for. Let me throw in a couple with sprinkles, just to spice it up."

Sprinkles? I came here for glazed. I hate sprinkles. So I gave him what he had coming... "Sprinkles? You've got to be @%&*ing kidding me! Sprinkles, you dip$hit? What do I look like, a six year old???" I shoved the box and bag off the counter, donuts spilling in every direction, and stormed out the door with a final flip of the bird.

I'll never go back. True story.

After I read this,  I immediately thought of this

ROFL awesome man.

So yeah I was, like, at Krispy Kreme yesterday buying a dozen of their glazed donuts. The manager stopped by the cash register with a bag and said, "Hey, I noticed you're buying a dozen glazed. Good choice, that's what we're famous for. Let me throw in a couple with sprinkles, just to spice it up."

Sprinkles? I came here for glazed. I hate sprinkles. So I gave him what he had coming... "Sprinkles? You've got to be @%&*ing kidding me! Sprinkles, you dip$hit? What do I look like, a six year old???" I shoved the box and bag off the counter, donuts spilling in every direction, and stormed out the door with a final flip of the bird.

I'll never go back. True story.

Originally posted by Ramonski7

Wow I remember playing this between classes in the student breakroom on a Amiga-32 at Devry (even though we didn't have the MMO part).......wow. I'll have to give it a spin.

Probably not the same game. =P But if you give it a shot look me up in game, I go by the same name.

Just to add... within a few weeks Drop Shock will be seeing its 5th expansion, "Combat Drop", which will expand gameplay by adding:

• 8 new units (mecha and armored vehicles)
• 10 buildings
• 12 unit modifications
• and more

Originally posted by Plutonicwoes

As an actual vet, I find this hilarious, but I'm sure some butthurt hippies will throw a fit.

I also see some kind of Muslim outcry. 

This juts made me decide to buy this though.

Hippies? Really? I highly doubt it's hippies that will be butthurt over this, it's the Fox News crowd.

This from a fellow vet (OIF III).

If you're interested in tactical/strategic online games, you might want to give Drop Shock a try.

Formerly known as TinyWarz, DS is loosely inspired by the Classic BattleTech game system. From meager beginnings players can assemble large armies of mecha and armored vehicles, fighting over the many planets of a distant solar system.

• PvE, PvP, and Faction Warfare
• Persistent Occupation of PvP Planets
• RPG-Style Commander Levels & Skills
• Unit Modification
• Player Built Units, Buildings and Mods
• Friendly, Helpful Community
• Regular Expansions (New Units, Mods and Playstyles)

The game's admin is offering a new player welcome bonus for the next 7 days. If you'd like to take advantage of this, just reply to the welcome email with "I'm from mmorpg" and you'll receive a bonus.

Drop Shock has a small but active community, we hope you'll stop in and see if it's for you.

-Katrar

http://www.drop-shock.com

Drop Shock Combat Display

Drop Shock Unit Display

I long ago came to the realization that the "great gaming" of the past was really a product of the NEWNESS of gaming, not the greatness of the games we played. I started out old school, TRS-80, Apple, etc. so I know how it was to have spent hundreds of enthralled hours on a simple tile based title like Ultima III or a wire frame dungeon crawl like Wizardry. Games nowadays that are unfathomably better in design, story and polish don't hold me to a quarter of the degree that those games did. Why? The same reason, I imagine, that people that spent half their childhood in arcades playing PacMan and Space Invaders, but get burned out after 10 hours of X,Y,Z today... it was the times. It was the newness. The "fun" was more than the code, it was something unique to the old school experience that cannot be recreated today because the environment just doesn't allow it.

So, in other words... savor your old school memories, because you'll never, EVER feel the same way about games, or a game, again.