Originally posted by sancher36 

The game itself doesn't look like it will have much variety and will get boring very fast but if it does get released then I'll try it.

Even if it means you will be supporting the MMOGULS group and Gary Whiting? If so, explain why. I am trying to get somebody (ANYBODY) to explain this part to me. How can you support any game that will help profit the founders of MMOGULS and Gary Whiting?

Originally posted by yellowperil

It could be beyond his comprehension why people are still going on and on and on about stuff were there is no proof (take which ever side you want). 

Ok, so you saw the post where Shane admitted that MMOGULS was real, right? Start from there for me and walk me through your logic as you come to embrace the game that is being made to support this pyramid business opportunity.

I keep asking those same questions of the CME fans and employees who come here. I never get a straight answer. While one fan may come here and pretend to understand the truth, he'll then turn around and go badmouth us over on the official forums. The rest of the fans just say, Nuh uh, hater!" And the employees say stupid shit like, "I chose to participate in the scam because this was my one chance to make a video game." In fact, my indictment of that stupid statement (and Agricola's) is what made Shane so annoyed that he finally posted here to begin with.

So, I welcome a logical discuss of the moral issues associated with this game if anyone cares to participate.

Originally posted by Tylantia 

supporting SGW and the individual(s) != supporting the GUL's. Yes we all know that side still plays a part; but at this point I really don't care. I support the game, the dev's and anyone making the best out of a bad situation.

Please explain how the != works in your mind. Since CME & MMOGULS are the same thing, designed by the same person with a singular purpose in mind, how do you separate the two so easily? When people are getting sucked into a scam, how do you so nonchalantly say it's okay to support the fictional game at the center of that scam?

I completely understand a burning desire to see a game based on a franchise you love. I get it. What I cannot understand is ignoring morality in order to get it. Fans of CME often come to this forum to tell us that we should not get so worked up over a game, but that isn't the issue I have here. To hell with the game. Why is it okay to scam, cheat, and lie? Why are you willing to indirectly support that? Why would you subscribe to any game that will help Gary Whiting make money?

Latest update from the unverified site:

9/5/09 Update: We continue to receive paychecks every other week! It's amazing the people that have returned to CME, especially ones from other studios that haven't done shit for the past two years. Guess with the new direction, we have to take them.

Payroll could be completely caught up here soon. Glad I did not give up.

Work on our first person shooter continues along and things are looking good!

Meanwhile, the SGW community manager continues to insist that talking about this stuff--that searching for the truth--damages "the moral" [sic] of the staff:

To say that these posts from our community, and other game site's communities, are damaging the moral of developers is only half the story.

Funny that their "moral" is being damaged by us bringing light to the MLM scheme attached to their game from day 1 and not by the scheme itself.

Finally, just for fun, the word of the day is morale.

Originally posted by supremeaaron 

 

I know this doesn't sound like the smartest thing but who or what is Nedra?

Check out this awesome Wyoming state Supreme Court case document from Findlaw.com. These are the kinds of people involved in the funding of MMOGULS and SGW.

Oh, she has a Facebook account, too.

Originally posted by yellowperil

This case doesnt stand a chance of effecting the company CME or the products its making 

I sort of see your point. I could cut off my left hand and not injure my right hand. But my whole body is still injured.

I know you are fighting hard not to have to accept the fact that CME and MMOGULS is the same thing, but this reality will eventually set in. When it does, you'll begin to see any litigation involving any part of the "body" as a serious threat.

Originally posted by ariccaron 

I looked legit before it was removed, and the OP isn't one to throw rumors around.

Other shady public stock offers have been made, one famous one still has a webpage up.

I'll vouch for supremeaaron, too. I may not agree with the way he blindly supports CME in the face of a lot of scandal, but I have never known him to lie. He honestly loves the SG IP and wants a cool game to play.

I've just always assumed that CME was never in real danger of losing the license--only that someone found out that the original agreement expired August 1 and figured MGM would withdraw the license amid all the scandal.

More than anything, what I am still concerned about is MMOGULS. I wonder, for instance, how long CelticElf (random pro-SGW official forum poster) will play a SG game from this company while getting spammed to join someone's downline.

I wonder how many people who are trying to spread the good news about a SG MMO coming fail to mention that it is attached to an MLM that looks very shady. :(

Originally posted by kadevolpi

You know if the game were ever finished it would put a big dent in the WOW membership..

no.

Originally posted by sgman7 All the other stuff about MMOGULs, Gary, Gary's wife, etc. is just good reading - it has little to do with the big picture of what is going on.

No, no, no no! A hundred times no. If the investments this company (under many names but one giant umbrella called Whiting) has garnered were ALL used to make a game like any other normal MMO investment on earth, we'd all be playing SGW right now instead of talking about this shit. Instead, we've got a man who lured people into a get rich quick scheme and a team at CME that has lied to us EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

1. Lie #1: The lie of omission about employees not getting paid. "Same financial hardships as everyone else." Bullshit! Not everyone else tries to create a stable of games at once for a get rich quick scheme.
    
2. Lie #2: MMOGULS. "We censored the word and banned all the people who post about it. We have no contractual agreement." More bullshit. Their art team was making the logos for MMOGULS. Shane admits that much. The get rich quick scheme and SGW have been part of the master plan since Day 1. Peons can deny knowledge up to a certain point, but then it just becomes justifying lying to the public like that hapless developer who admitted as much on these forums right before Shane began posting here.
    
3. Lie #3: Lawsuits. "The lights are still on and we're still doing work." Awesome way to avoid the question. The more time passes, the more we find out all of it is true.
    
4. Lie #4: Second round of no pay. Tkksnow warns, "talking about it hurts our feelings and makes us cry." Fuck you, you lying baby! How hard is it to tell the truth?

This isn't about attacking you sgman7, but you people have got to wake up! From top to bottom, this WHOLE operation is shady. I have followed the saga for damn near a year since that pompous Lisentia came to the TTH forums where I lurk and called everyone there a liar with an agenda. CME didn't outright encourage it, but they sure supported the abuse of anyone who had an independent thought, anyone who dared to ask "is this true?" They made people like Blakey and Marmz out to be liars, but they were just asking questions. Just trying to get to the truth.

Tkksnow carefully worded comments to imply that TTH was a bunch of assholes when all they did was report the truth from whatever anonymous source(s) they had. I want no part of such immoral filth, and I don't want people like you trying to gloss over the shit this company has pulled and try to separate any part of it from the whole.

I want a SG game, too, but I am not willing to let liars and potential scam artists profit from my love for a franchise. I am sick of the smokescreens and blind fanaticism. So long as there is any forum that will let us tell the truth, I will be there to tell people what happened with this game--how the money was squandered on a scheme, how the PR people and CM lied to us, and how the truth was censored on the official forums.

I will never rest so long as there is a chance that SGW might launch and profit Gary Whiting because Gary Whiting IS SGW.

THE END

Originally posted by supremeaaron

Just wondering are these confirmed as being images from stargate battles?

They say they are for SGW, but I would not doubt anything Kyrie says at this point.

Originally posted by supremeaaron

In all SGW looks like a dieing game.

Schizophrenic opposite post in 4...3...2...

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by marmz

Originally posted by Agricola1 

 

That's very scary.

 

So's  this mmogul's vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPmi1Vuz6Pk&feature=related

 

I always wondered what Listenia looked like in the flesh!

In all fairness, that CAN'T be Lisentia. She'd be in the video with her fingers jammed in her ears chanting, "La la la. Everybody is getting paid. MMOGULS is just a hoax. La la la la."

Oh the good times we've all had! I knew Lisentia was full of hot air when I offered to PayPal her $20 to show me proof that employees were getting paid or even just a statement from CME that said they were and she couldn't deliver. And man did she ever attack me on the official forums just because I said I refused to blindly believe. Oh well. Doubt we'll see her around here anymore. She doesn't strike me as the kind of person who has the maturity to admit she is wrong.

Originally posted by Raizeen

i love it when people write and make threads to devs and think they actualy come on here and read lol

Yeah, that's so stupid. Oh wait The President of CME did come to these forums and answer our questions. I guess it's not so much of a question of Agricola being stupid as it is a question of you being uninformed.

But mostly, I come to MMORPG.com to discuss SGW because this forum is not censored of all negativity. I lurk at Ten Ton Hammer and would discuss there, but it looks like the editors took so much heat for reporting that CME was not paying employees and that MMOGULS was a pyramid scheme that they decided just to stop talking about the game. Turns out their reports were true, too. Huh.

uh...you see...it...uh...idk

Meanwhile, I am a little disappointed that Shane never got around to stating exactly what we have been saying that is grossly inaccurate. Kyrie pressed him a couple of times, but I don't think he ever answered. Which part was not true?

1. CME is not paying people? True
2. MMOGULS is real? True
3. MMOGULS is a pyramid scheme? True
4. MMOGULS intends to use SGW as part of its stable of games? True
5. Production of SGW is at near standstill? True

Just not sure what we have been discussing that is wrong. I would love to be corrected. I'd admit I was wrong and everything. Oh well.

/derail end

Originally posted by ariccaron

 That's a lot of typing to answer the OPs question when "No" would have sufficed

More precisely, "We have some money but not enough. And because of our screw ups, investors will pledge the money ONLY IF we get the full amount needed to finish the game. So it's really ALL or NOTHING."

Of course, supremeaaron read it as, "Yes, we have it but cannot tell you. Go celebrate and fap."

Originally posted by Agricola1

One thing that continues to puzzle me is the constant requests for a place where the fans can donate money to be set up.

It's right back to the message I sent to supremeaaron on this very forum: you're not helping. Funding amatuers and bcriminals to make a SG game just because you want one so bad is morally reprehensible. Just give it up and go watch the DVDs.

Originally posted by Raltar

1) We haven't been paid in a long time--over four months as of this Friday. I don't think we've ever denied that. And no, "Khestral" hasn't been paid either, despite what someone here said. If we were silent about it, frankly it's because all of the people who usually handle all the forums and public relations left some time ago.

 

Q: Who is handling the forums and public relations then? Why are negative comments on the official forums being censored?

Valid question. Why ban Mershu and permit the forum members to attack her? She was only telling the truth according to the answer we get from PEGShane. Meanwhile, other forum members were allowed to violate several forum rules of conduct in their attacks on her. She got the ban, and they got the "internet hero" badges.

I appreciate the reply. If you are who you say you are, this is the best, most honest communication anyone from CME has given anybody.

I want to be clear about something; I feel as if I have been lied to. Not by you just now, but by half answers. When I get attacked repeatedly on the official forums for expressing my cocern about the fate of the game since employees are not getting paid and tkksnow only hands me spin about not discussing payroll issues, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

I will post more when I confirm your identity. Yes, I understand my questions are very hostile. I want hard and straight answers. I appreciate your candor.