Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I played Everquest the other week and the world is barren and theres too many crap starting areas. I was walking along around aload of zones and it has the worst level design I've ever seen, it's like they juat shaped the terrain and put a river and some trees down and then put 1 mob in there lol. I also hate all the loading between zones and wonder why they couldn't have just had it seamless with just loading between conts or something.

World of Warcraft has a much better open world but just a shame Battlegrounds ruin it.

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Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Vutar

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by jonyak

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the only thing unbelievable is that people would pay for this garbage in the first place. Even for an indie company its rather simple to start of a new server on a different continent.

 

Hey I don't know why people would pay for the garbage that is WOW, AOC or WAR but they do.

have you ever released a game on a different continent with no big supporters?

 

I agree, AOC and WAR were garbage, which is of course why they lost 50-80% of their subs in the 3 months after release, which caused funcom to fire entire offices of GMs and the game producer.

 

WOW is like the ultimate scam of all -- get a bunch of people to pay you for a second job, grinding repetitive, dumbed-down pointless quests and scripted bosses over and over, and then simply copy'n'paste 90% of existing content into the next expansion and reset the levels making all their effort worthless and then get them to do it all over again. It's both hilarious and sad, yet true.

Welcome to MMORPG's, judging from your WoW comment's you apparently just started playing them. 

 

in other words you agree with me? ok right, thanks for posting.

 

No, had you said all mmorpg's are like what you describe WoW as then I would agree with you.  However, you act as if WoW is the only one like that. Which is ridiculous and only someone new to the genre would think that, hence my original comment. 

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by jonyak

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the only thing unbelievable is that people would pay for this garbage in the first place. Even for an indie company its rather simple to start of a new server on a different continent.

 

Hey I don't know why people would pay for the garbage that is WOW, AOC or WAR but they do.

have you ever released a game on a different continent with no big supporters?

 

I agree, AOC and WAR were garbage, which is of course why they lost 50-80% of their subs in the 3 months after release, which caused funcom to fire entire offices of GMs and the game producer.

 

WOW is like the ultimate scam of all -- get a bunch of people to pay you for a second job, grinding repetitive, dumbed-down pointless quests and scripted bosses over and over, and then simply copy'n'paste 90% of existing content into the next expansion and reset the levels making all their effort worthless and then get them to do it all over again. It's both hilarious and sad, yet true.

 

 

Welcome to MMORPG's, judging from your WoW comment's you apparently just started playing them. 

Agree with many of the OP's points.  The only thing's I disagree with are his last two points.  We don't need more MMO's giving handout's to casual players.  That is what is ruining the genre as it is.  Games are so shallow that they are being played like single player games. Play for a month then move on to the next game.  I'm a casual player now, but I still would much rather play a game that has a lot of depth/difficulty.  If I never get the best stuff in game, so be it.  I like knowing that there is something better always out there that I can try to achieve. 

Originally posted by maxkill42

Originally posted by maxkill42

Hey guys start downloading lol, its 13 gigs

 

I created a quick trail account and just used that download link

40% done 15 hours left.............................

 

Just got my email with my download link :P apperently that download is 6 gigs instead of 13.........

Ya email says 6 gigs....but I'm DLing from the link atm and it is on a 11.4 gigs part atm. 

Originally posted by Afrolas

I confirmed mine and now am just waiting for the email with the d/l link.

 

I plan to d/l and play it since i'm in between mmo's atm. I've stayed away from this one because of the negative things i have heard, so i'll give it a fair shake since it's free...

Same for me, I never tried it because of how bad everything I read about it was.  Can't beat free though, may as well try it.  If they ever send this link that is.....

I won but have yet to receive a link to download the game or even a key for the game.  I confirmed and when I log in it shows it as confirmed but still nothing.  Have you guys actually received the link and keys?

Originally posted by Bureyku

I used to have this re-occuring dream where werewolves would be outside my bedroom window clawing at the glass and right before they broke in I would wake up sweating and scared as hell.  Then one night in my dream I said screw it and went and opened the window and they came in and ripped me to pieces and ate my heart.  After that night I never had the dream again.  Was really cool.

And a nerve is struck....

NCsoft won't listen to my whining about what "I" want in "my" mmorpg therefore I hate them.  If they would just listen to me, everything would be perfect.  All they have to do is design their game around everything I like and am used to from other games.  You'd think by now MMO companies would just ask my opinion first.  It is clear Aion will be another failure which all could have been easily avoided had they been more informed of my wishes for it. I'll sum up my first 10 levels playing WoW with a new name. 

FIrst I log in and they expect me to create a character...heh like that hasn't been done before.  Can anyone say WoW?  Next, I get in the game with my warrior and I'm killing mobs with a sword.....they may as well have just copied WoW's source code.  After killing five mobs or so, you guessed it, I gained a level.  They aren't even trying to hide it.   After gaining a few more of those level's  I got to my first small town and what do I see?  Class trainers.  Do I really need to go on?  It is clear after getting to level ten that Blizzard needs to take legal action.   I haven't seen for myself yet, but I've heard rumors that you have to actually pay a monthly fee.  This is a slam dunk case for Blizzard. 

/sarcasm off......

Originally posted by Keridwen

Originally posted by spyder2k5

WAR will improve, it takes time, main compalint is the end game, on comparison WoW's end game sucked for 2 years before it was hafl way decent, give Mythic time to do their thing, this game will grow, and make a come back.

 

AIONs end game is brilliant now, and you won't have to wait 2 years. WAR is already dead and buried. AION will deliver the final blow when it is released in September.

This

The quest grind by many recent MMO's is no different than the mob grind from games like EQ and L2.    I'm getting pretty sick of quest grind games myself. 

Originally posted by mantii

I tried the beta this weekend and I thought it was mediocre.  I was ultra psyched about the game before I tried it.  I built it up way too much in my head.  The graphics are beautiful though, and the sound is absolutely the best.  The controls are ok. (response time to casting / moving) 

The few things I just plain out dont like about it are the slow movement.  Yes I understand you will probably...maybe have a mount later although I haven't seen or heard anything about that feature so I could be wrong.  Another thing that bothered me was the way the quests were set up.  I would run halfway accross the starter map and get a quest, then I could do the quest but the turn in was back at where I loaded into the game upon creating my character.  What is the point in having to run that far to turn in a quest?  I didn't get it and don't like it.  One thing that I didn't like very much was the fact that when I cast a spell and im already hitting the button to cast again it isn't registering that im hitting that button until the global cooldown is completely finished cooling down.  I like to know that when I press the button that it is registering as an attempt to press that button...yes just like in wow if you are a mage casting a fire ball and hitting any other spell it shows an attempt to cast the next spell while you are mid cast of another.  It's a small preference and definitely not a game breaker but I don't like that either.  

Another thing that I don't like is the fact that I have to start out as one of 4 basic classes and then at level 10 chose which class I want to be.  It makes leveling 1-10 extremely boring if you plan on leveling alts and such.  I don't understand why they couldn't have put in ~10 unique spells per class and just had you chose which class you wanted from the beginning instead of making everyone the same pretty much. 

I thought the game was decent and I had preordered the collectors edition.  I will be going to cancel that pre-order this week.  I guess i'll have to stick to EVE and SWG until the new SWTOR comes out or hell maybe even Champions.  

You'll probably have the same experience with SWTOR or Champions becuase as you said you built it up in your mind.  No game will ever meet a person's imaginination.  Better off not following game development much, games are more enjoyable that way. 

Oh and BTW  not sure you can cancel pre-order if you have already played beta.  I know the gamestop pre-order specifically says you cannot cancel pre-order once using the beta code.

Nice game so far. Nothing revolutionary but since all the "new improved" games are failing, why not something that works? The majority of whining I see on the beta boards are from WoW players wanting it to be more like WoW. This is good news, long as NCSoft doesn't listen to them.
 

Originally posted by Pinkerl

Alot of people claim that mmorpg pvp is mind thinking and strategic.. well how strategic, tactical mmorpg pvp is, it all gone down the toilet when high level can one hit you. Also ebayers will always win against legit players so the claim about mmorpg pvp being strategic is bs.

Monthly Fee MMORPG = ebayers win / high level win

Free2Play MMORPG = cashshopper win / high level win

PVP in MMORPG = [b]FAIL[/

 

 

 

 

1.  If you are talking about one shotting people I'd like to know what game that is. No I am not talking about low level pvp either. I'm talking about max level.

2.  You say there is no strategy for PvP in MMO's?   I can only assume this means you run into battle mindlessly mashing buttons, die repeatedly, and then proclaim there is no strategy in MMO's.  In other words becuase you don't use strategy and such,  that must mean the game has no stategy.

3.  You talking about ebayers will always win over legit players, well that would go for PvE also.  So what are you suggesting? Get rid of MMO's entirely?  

What made me quit WoW? Boredom.

What made me go back to WoW?  Even worse boredom in new mmorpgs......

Originally posted by Venger

Originally posted by Vutar

Casual's cried and game makers listened.  Nothing will ever satisfy a casual player until you start off max level, fully geared and are directed to kill lvl 1 bunnies for insane amounts of gold. 

 

WTH does it have to be the casuals player's fault?  I imagine casual and hardcore a like cried about aimless killing.  Stop beating your chest like some knuckle dragger with a superiority complex.

Developers need to bring back randon loot tables so just aimless killing could have decent rewards like quests.

In other words "I don't agree with you, therefore you are beating your chest and are a knuckle dragger with a superiority complex"

Thanks.  I'll try to be more like you and encourage afk botting by suggesting random loot tables that drop "decent rewards".

Casual's cried and game makers listened.  Nothing will ever satisfy a casual player until you start off max level, fully geared and are directed to kill lvl 1 bunnies for insane amounts of gold. 

The game recently had a 10 day promotion to get people back and playing.  My guess would be people went back, saw the game still sucks and are now posting about it.

I was one who went back for the 10 days.  The problem I see with WAR is the combat system. I really can't even say exactly what it is about it, I just know certain games have "it" and others don't.   EQ, AC1, DAOC, WoW these games just had it.  There was something about combat that made you feel really in control.  Not just button mashing.

I am lvl 18 now and not sure where to go for quests. I've done some around bree but they seem to be so scattered and to many are crafting type quests. Is there a quest hub elsewhere once you reach bree or is that it? For the main story line I'm up to a quest that is purple to me and says lvl 26 so I can't do that.

Originally posted by Senadina

And that's my argument AGAINST being forced to group. What if you're just not very good at it, or have less than the best gear? I don't want to be responsible for someone's charactef getting killed if I've never done the instance before and make a mistake. If I wanted that kind of responsibility I'd play Left for Dead.

So someone who isn't good at their character should just be given the best stuff?  Instead of them getting better..they should just be handed everything?