Originally posted by harmonica

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by TrikkyMakk

 

 

 

Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.

 

LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........   It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.                                                                                                                                        

It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise

I disagree.

Well that's  your  opinion you're entitled to one.Opinions are like noses,everybody has one.

Skill is a learned practice. Something you have to learn in order to be good at it.

Skill and talent are not the same (unless you count having a knack for learning quickly as a talent). I think that videogames DO involve skill. If not, why are some people much better at certain games than others? It's because they took the time to learn.

Talent and skill are not the same, yes, can you be both or either of those whilst playing guitar? Yes! Driving a car?Yes! Playing chess?Yes!!! Does it take any skill or talent to play a video game? Sadly no!  Proof? Grab a 10 year old kid and place it behind a computer screen with any game of your choice mmo or otherwise and within 1 1/2 hour tops the kid will figure out the game system but place the same kid behind a wheel, playing a  complete song on the guitar or at a chess board and it's gonna take a bit more than 1 1/2 hour to learn those right talented or not.

Is being good at a game something to admire? Probably not, but it is still a skill.

You're half right there..

In UO, you did have to be skilled at the game. You could have 10 people, give them all the same stats and equipment and make them all fight - the most skilled guy would win. Hell, 1 skilled guy vs 9 not-so-skilled guys could win. That was what made UO great. It was based on your knowledge/ability to play the game and not your class/race/level/uber-magic-wand-of-carebear. Sounds like skill to me.

Sounds to me more like-the guy that could press the mouse button the fastest whilst not staying at the same spot while he was doing that would win- this hardly sounds like skill to me. 1 skilled guy vs 9 non skilled guys win?????? 1 thing i learned watching the nature channel: 1lion vs 1 hyena=lion wins, 1 lion vs 9 hyenas= hyenas eat lion stew for supper. In no game to this day can anyone claim what you just claimed sir, skill or no skill, especially if they all have the same equipment, are  the same lvl and there are no classes.....You sir are like the Hindenburg baloon, full of hot air!Seriously, how did you do it? Killed them when they were afk?

Chess and UO are both games. Whether digital or otherwise - the person who is able to anticipate his opponent's moves faster and more accurately usually wins.

Yes they are both games but only one of them has 1)a world championship 2)a world champion 3) can look good in your CV 4)exists in both RL and VL 5) has professionals (people that make money playing it) at it. Besides chess isn't a game of speed and accuracy it's a game of patience and yes predicting your opponents next move,personally i get a headache after only an hour of playing chess.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

I hope not, getting a headache after an hour of playing doesn't sound too appealing to me

 

 

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Brenelael

Well Lineage II had a pretty good community in game but if you went to some of the forums like L2Blah they were populated by some of the biggest asshat trash talking morons you've ever seen. Don't judge a game by its forum communities. They are usually a very small but very vocal minority of the overall game community.

 

Bren

 

The problem with your statement is this:

1. You mentioned L2Blah.  That was a little side 3rd party fan site. The OP is talking about Aventurine's official Darkfall forums
2. Lineage ][ also started off with a predecessor of millions of subscribers in Lineage 1, so a 3rd party website of assholes for Lineage ][ would not really effect the general masses of over a million subscribers.
3. Lineage ][ is a game known for their "somewhat shitty" community of gankers and Gold sellers so the argument is kind of mute to begin with.
4. Darkfall will not be starting off with NOWHERE near the amount of subs as Lineage ][ did. So having the darkfall forums with about 80% of asshats and muppets is a very damaging thing to have right....espsecially since the game is about to "release in less than a month."

 

i'll sign that

/signed

Originally posted by virox69

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by TrikkyMakk

 

 

 

Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.

 

LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........   It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to drive a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.                                                                                                                                        

It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play.        ?

yea i think some people get "skill-based mmo" confused with skills to play.
 

it will take slightly more skills to play the the typical stand around and whack-a-mob game.....but serious skills are not required.

the truely skilled will be the guild leaders who can lead a well coordinated planned out attack.......how ya keep it from being a zergfest  I wouldnt know :)

Free beer and hookers all around seems to do the trick

Originally posted by Makestro

Originally posted by egotrip

Well, i can't tell much about the game since little is actually known about it, except, if you're an rper you're bound to enjoy the community of this game...............................not

 

There has been a lot of info shared about Darkfall the past 6 months, you just have to look for it lol.

 

RP will not be uncommon, RPers love sandbox games and I'm sure finding a clan that RPs and controls a player city will not be hard, and it'll be fun since the whole city will be full of RPers as well. There are also a lot of lore play guilds and RP guilds that plan on doing PvP and other stuff too.

There fixed it for ya

As for the  "RP community will not be uncommon" i've been part of Forumfall for roughly a year or so and i can say that i was more impressed with the content of my handkerchief the last time i blew my nose than with what dwells in that place.  So here www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/217136  this should give you an idea what you're up against , hell , feel free to go crazy and search it yourself more before you stick your head in the wolf den. Just don't say that nobody gave you  the "heads up"....... Darkfall has the potential of a great game  but it lacks the community that will support it correctly, among other things....

Originally posted by harmonica

Originally posted by ghoul31

when UO came out it was the only MMORPG, it had no competitiion. So peopled stayed even though it was a total gankfest. When other options appeared, ala Everquest, everyone left.

I remember when DAOC opened up full pvp servers, they failed miserably

Asherons call darktide has failed

Shadowbane has failed

Every game with fully open pvp and full looting has failed.

And yet you keep saying how everyone loves it?

 

 

 

UO was already out for a while when Trammel came out and altering a game that much always alienates some of the fan base. Time that with the release of new, 3D Graphic MMORPGs coming out and of course people would move on to new things.
Those other games you mentioned failed for other reasons. Had they no open PvP they probably would have failed even worse.
DAOC's idea of "free PvP' was ridiculous. There were no safe-zones of any kind.

In UO, the chances of being PK'd were not that high unless you were a friggin idiot. There were places where PKs loved to hang out and the only reason to go there would be to fight them. This was cool.

Point is, as long as you were even mildly good enough or smart enough - you were never ganked.
If you were, it's  because you suck at videogames and maybe you should stick to your easy MMORPGs.

UO(pre-UOR) = Normal Mode
Other MMORPGs = Easy Mode

The only people who are "good" at the new MMOs are people who have no lives and can spend 24/hrs a day leveling and getting new items.

Darkfall won't have to be a huge success for me to enjoy it. With the hype it has, it will have at least enough subscribers for people like me to have fun (hoping its as good as UO anyway).

Oh boy i hope it works for Darkfall then cuz that's the central idea the game is built around.....

Originally posted by TrikkyMakk

 

 

 

Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.

 

LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........   It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.                                                                                                                                        

It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play.        ?

Well, i can't tell much about the game since little is actually known about it, except, if you're an rper you're bound to enjoy the community of this game...............................not

Originally posted by Roosevelt

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Losttale

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Briansho

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

The administrator of Italian site asked for his posters to get the key ..MMORPG.com users mostly don't deserve it..

 

Wow thats what they said on that italian site?

Its what i am saying..but don't worry ..it is widely and well known were to put MMORPG.com ..

Its not surprise MMORPG.com didn't even got 1 to share ..

If you are going to be condescending... at least have a good reason. The fact that Aventurine released 1 beta key a month before release is comical. When have you ever heard of a game of any kind releasing 1 key for a site to give away? Say what you want, but this stunt does not reflect well on the company.

You post on here quite often so by showing your contempt for this site you are only showing contempt for yourself.

 

You not informed. MMORPGItalia.it got more keys.

The Admin of MMORPGItalia.it however - who don't disqualified himself by asking unfair questions recently in an interview - asked nicely  Aventurine if it would be possible to  use 1 of those for a site contest..in a random way...and because he asked nice he got a  pleasent answer..

MMORPG.com probably missed the chance to put nice questions and to be helpful for the DF Community  here and instead wasted their questions with wording like -vaporware- for example...

got my point now ?

 

OMG... ROFLMAO

Who the hell we are to judge holy mighty Tasos and his God-send game up above. You got serious, very serious issues...go get some help. I mean it!

Smart marketing says try to win over the naysayers, but apparently whatever internet college Tasos graduated from didnt teach that in Marketing 101.

 

I am assuming I missed the sarcasm here. Why for the love of God would they want to win over people who are completely outside of thier demographic. They are not making a game for "Every" MMO player type, they are making the game for a specific group of people.

 

That is like an butcher shop worrying about vegans. The vegans are never going to buy anything from their store so why should they put out ad's to try and attract them to a butcher shop?

Would you pls ,oh pls, direct me to a link where it shows Tasos or anyone of the Aventurine's employees saying more or less what I highlighted in nice pink letters and YOU just claimed?Pretty pls?!?!?!?? I'm only asking cuz the only people that i ever saw using those words or similar ones so far are from the "fans" of the site so far and every time i submitted this question they strangely enough went silent...... And if you are gonna start using metaphors to make a point try to make more accurate ones "butcher shop and vagans???" seriously???                                                                                                                                                                           Try this one: That is like an butcher shop specializes in providing services to people that prefer white meat from red meat.The people that prefer red meat are never going to buy anything from their store so why should they put out ad's to try and attract them to a butcher shop?                                                                            See? Doesn't that make a bit more sense?? On a side note asides from the question i placed a few lines above would you think this one also: Wouldn't it be more fair if you let the company  decide if they would want their product  targeting a specific group (as you so nicely say) of people, or it would they actually want it to be targeting the wider public (an mmorpg for everyone)?

Wait untill it actually releases and[ (when) (if) ] that happens i shall wait another 6 months just to make sure i avoided the fail train Plenty of stuff to do 'till then in RL ....

Originally posted by Lughsan

Disappointment train Boarding in 30 days...

....................AAAAAAAALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                                                                                                   

i don't know about the rest of the bosses you mentioned but when it comes to Baium and Ant Queen from L2 didn't  they spawn INSIDE a lair of some sort and there where only certain amount of people allowed inside for a very specific amount of time (X times per week and only after finishing some quest and granted pass by the GK of that place) or at least that's how i remember it last time i played........But that is not my concern really, my concern is like in L2 as in other games fighting dungeon mobs was a bit more of a task than fighting them out in the open, since the dungeon mobs are significantly stronger, have more life and seem to be crammed in this fairly small space that held x2 or x3 sometimes mobs it would have  normally out in the open so my question is: How the hell is one or even more groups gonna fight their way through a dungeon filled with those things using the DF "revolutionary" battle system??? I mean it's one thing auto aiming a mob and using aoe skills that's only affecting mobs (the games mechanics that are so frowned upon by the DF community) in a small space and a completely different thing trying to swing your weapon alongside with your 5-8(?) party members in a confined space to an equal (at best) maybe more (at worst) amount of mobs and not only have to worry about  the blows from mobs but also "friendly fire" and of course aoe skills would be out of the question not to mention the collision factorof the game........ note: there are no classes in DF hence no buffers or healers only self heal and self buff  that quote: "doesn't last long"!!!! It would be "interesting"(for a lack of better euphemism) to watch a group like that try to make their way through a mob infested dungeon......

same as in Oblivion (and the devs said it's like it) the only good ranged attacks did were the 1 maybe 2 shots from sneak position before the enemy actually got close to you and then you had to switch to melee, the only thing you needed to win in that game was a good tank class the rest was just for support.....Now if you're hidding or in a hard to reach spot maybe you'll get a chance to fire a couple more arrows or spells before the enemy reaches you,maybe they'll hit maybe they won't but it all comes down to hand to hand combat eventually, so hand to hand > only ranged ,but that's my opinion..

lol there's some funny s#!t right there!!!  opiumkingVS  downtoearth the one is clearly talking out of his @$$ without proving anything he says, the other one claims to have proof but he can't use them in public. LIke watching 2 dogs tied to a couple of trees a facing each other couple of feet apart from where their ropes end  and trying to bite each others throat without  actually being able to reach one another...........and here i thought this thread would be boring *grabs some sunflower seeds and enjoys the show*