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Originally posted by grndzro
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by grndzro

I'll be waiting for AMD's new SMT architecture next year.

My Phenom II x6 can still play anything out there.

I wouldn't count on a new AMD architecture for desktops coming next year, unless you mean Carrizo, which will be heavily based on Kaveri--and probably not much better than Kaveri.  2016 sure looks more likely for AMD's next "big" core that isn't a derivative of Bulldozer.

Jim Keller has been back at AMD for a year now. There is no telling how much work has been done on the new architecture.

AMD has a lot of plug and play bits and pieces that make things a lot easier.

With no delays, you can assume that it will take about three years between starting work on a chip and launching the chip at retail.  If AMD started designing a new chip last year, it's not likely to launch next year.

Originally posted by grndzro

I'll be waiting for AMD's new SMT architecture next year.

My Phenom II x6 can still play anything out there.

I wouldn't count on a new AMD architecture for desktops coming next year, unless you mean Carrizo, which will be heavily based on Kaveri--and probably not much better than Kaveri.  2016 sure looks more likely for AMD's next "big" core that isn't a derivative of Bulldozer.

Did you use the same password for WoW as for Archeage?  And did you use your password to either of those games somewhere else?

If you use a password in WoW and use the same password in some game forum, the forum may not protect your password very well.  The forum gets hacked, then the hackers say, let's try the password in WoW and see if it works.

Because gear grinds are boring.

Guild Wars 1 had gear, but no gear grind, unless you count grinding for cosmetic stuff, which you could readily skip if you didn't like it.

Originally posted by adrelius

No, is not an amateur project, and no there are no millions to invest in it. Funding will happen if the project will have appeal.

How are you getting funded, anyway?  If you don't already have funding, it's an amateur project for now, even if you hope that it will someday be a professional project.  Is your plan to get far enough along that you can try to convince people to fund you on Kickstarter?

Is this an amateur project, or do you already have millions in funding, or what?

I would very strongly encourage you to try hard things early.  Figure out what the hardest parts to do are, and try to do them as early as possible.  No game ever failed because they had everything else done but couldn't find someone to write lore.  Plenty of failed because they simply couldn't do some of the programming that they needed.  If you're going to smack into a wall that you absolutely cannot get past, you want to learn that as early as possible so that you can change the game design to work around it early on, rather than having to discard or redo lots of content that you've already created.

Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Quizzical
The GPU is the Radeon R9 285.  From the specs, it looks like it should be basically equivalent to a Radeon R9 280, except with lower power consumption and a mildly updated feature set.  It probably has a smaller die, which would save AMD money.  As the first 28 nm GPU, Tahiti was also the least efficient, so there is room to improve there.  AMD has set the MSRP to $250, and it looks like they may be discontinuing the Radeon R9 280.  Plenty of R9 280s are well below $250, so the R9 285 looks to be priced not to sell, at least initially.

 

On the CPU side, things are less exciting.  We have three new CPUs to talk about.  The most interesting one is the FX-8370.  Basically, take an FX-8350, add 100 MHz, and you have an FX-8370.  That's it.  There's also the FX-8370E, which is a 95 W version of the same thing, and the FX-8320E, which is a 95 W version of the old FX-8320.  Bringing down power consumption is welcome, of course, but it looks like there's not much to see here.

Perhaps a more exciting upcoming launch is Haswell-E, which will be the desktop version of Intel's next generation Xeon E5 chips.  But credible rumors put this launch as happening on the Friday before Labor Day weekend, which seems timed to minimize publicity.  That's the sort of thing that you do if you know that the part is terrible.  I'm not sure how Intel could have messed up the chip unless DDR4 simply isn't ready for prime time.

How credible are the rumors?  Haswell-E is the first part to use DDR4, so early DDR4 memory basically just has to work with Haswell-E and that's it.  Furthermore, the launch of Haswell-E is the first time that it makes sense to use DDR4.  Memory manufacturers selling DDR4 aren't bound by Intel's launch dates, and can launch DDR4 whenever they want.  So why exactly did New Egg list DDR4 memory as releasing on August 29?  They seem to have subsequently changed some of the DDR4 release dates to September 11, so maybe the rumors aren't as credible, or maybe Intel simply decided to delay the launch.


 

Whats your take on the lower end Intel cpus having less PCI-E lanes?

There will basically be three reasons to buy Haswell-E rather than the non-E version.  Those three reasons are the same as with Ivy Bridge-E and Sandy Bridge-E before them:

1)  You want more than four cores.

2)  You need massive PCI Express bandwidth.

3)  You need massive system memory bandwidth or capacity.

For much of the last several years, AMD has actually been a better option than Intel if (3) is the concern, as you could get something like this (or its predecessors):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113316

At pure CPU performance, that's considerably slower than an FX-8320, let alone Intel's latest CPUs, but for a workload that is heavily constrained by memory bandwidth (e.g., most operations grab data randomly from 1 GB, so that rarely can the data be in CPU cache), CPU performance itself doesn't matter, but only memory bandwidth.  That's a corner case that is irrelevant to consumer software, however.

If (2) is the concern, then AMD has often just as good as Intel in the last several years, and cheaper, too, with motherboards based on its 990FX chipset, and before that, 890FX and 790FX.  That changed when Intel moved to PCI Express 3.0 and AMD's FX-series motherboards didn't.  Even so, the transition to PCI Express 3.0 doubled PCI Express bandwidth.  Even in cases where the difference between PCI Express 2.0 x8 and x16 bandwidth matters, it's likely that the difference between PCI Express 3.0 x8 and x16 bandwidth will also matter.

So really, if you're looking at Haswell-E, like Ivy Bridge-E or Sandy Bridge-E, or even Gulftown before them, you're probably looking at it because you want more than four cores--and faster cores than AMD offers.  Is it worth paying an extra $200 to get two PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots, rather than just one, or having two x8 slots, as is rumored to be the case?  I'm inclined to say "no".

But that doesn't mean that Haswell-E will end up being better than Ivy Bridge-E.  Haswell-E has the problem of DDR4 memory, which at the moment, is expensive.  Four memory slots means you need four memory modules to get full bandwidth.  For DDR3, that doesn't have to be expensive.  Here you can do it for $85:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231325

For DDR4, it starts at $220, and that's decidedly of the budget variety:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148860

Granted, that's only 8 GB of DDR3 as compared to 16 GB of DDR4 but 8 GB is still a lot today.  If you want 16 GB of DDR3, it's $153:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441

If you insist on 2133 MHz DDR3 to match the speed of DDR4, that only bumps it up to $157:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231656

That's much better latency timings than you'll find on any DDR4 in existence, too.

So the price difference between DDR3 and DDR4 ends up eating up much of the price difference between the rumored cheaper Haswell-E and the older Ivy Bridge-E.  A mature motherboard market will eat up much of the rest of the price difference.  Now, it's not likely that either of those will last forever; eventually DDR4 will probably be cheaper than DDR3.  But we're not there yet, and if not for the rumored cheaper 6-core and high end 8-core Core i7, the launch of Haswell-E would scarcely matter at all.

Originally posted by Edli
NVIDIA must be pretty happy right now

Why would Nvidia be happy that the industry is stuck on 28 nm just like it has been for the last 2 1/2 years?  A card you bought two years ago is likely still current generation state of the art.  The only new GPU chip that Nvidia has brought to market in the last year and a half is a Maxwell test part priced not to sell.  The same reasons that prevent AMD from making a chip much better than before apply just as much to Nvidia.  That's not the way to get people to upgrade, which is what drives new card sales.

As with Windows 7, Windows 8.1 has both an OEM version and a full version.  The OEM version cannot be transferred, but the full version can.  The OEM version is $100, whether for Windows 7 or for 8.1.  The difference is that while the full version cost $200 for Windows 7, the full version of Windows 8.1 costs $120.

If you bought the full version the first time, then yes, you can transfer it.  Would Microsoft give out the full version rather than OEM at a student discount price?  I doubt it, but you could check.

Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Quizzical

For an OS, the key is the license, not the DVD.  Outside of multi-use licenses, which it's very unlikely that you have, a license can only be used once.  If you have 100 valid license keys, you can use the same DVD to install Windows 8.1 on 100 different computers, provided that you use a different license key for each.  But if you don't have a valid license key, a DVD doesn't do you any good unless you're looking to pirate software.

If you have a valid Windows 8.1 license that has never been used on another computer, then yes, you can use it on your new desktop and save money that way.  But it's not legal to say, hey, I've got a license that I used for my old computer, so I'll reuse it for my new computer.

Well, you are allowed to upgrade your computer though and keep the same license so the rules are a bit fuzzy there. What is really a new computer and what is a something upgraded?

If you're switching from a laptop to a desktop, it's a new computer.

Microsoft normally regards changing the motherboard as being a new computer.  If you have to change the motherboard because the old one died, they'll generally let you do that, but replacing everything else at the same time is really a new computer.  People say that you can often call Microsoft, lie to them, and get them to activate the old license on your new computer; I think Microsoft is trying to avoid bad publicity from refusing to activate a license in a situation where they really should, and thus erring on the side of allowing more than they say they will.

The GPU is the Radeon R9 285.  From the specs, it looks like it should be basically equivalent to a Radeon R9 280, except with lower power consumption and a mildly updated feature set.  It probably has a smaller die, which would save AMD money.  As the first 28 nm GPU, Tahiti was also the least efficient, so there is room to improve there.  AMD has set the MSRP to $250, and it looks like they may be discontinuing the Radeon R9 280.  Plenty of R9 280s are well below $250, so the R9 285 looks to be priced not to sell, at least initially.

On the CPU side, things are less exciting.  We have three new CPUs to talk about.  The most interesting one is the FX-8370.  Basically, take an FX-8350, add 100 MHz, and you have an FX-8370.  That's it.  There's also the FX-8370E, which is a 95 W version of the same thing, and the FX-8320E, which is a 95 W version of the old FX-8320.  Bringing down power consumption is welcome, of course, but it looks like there's not much to see here.

Perhaps a more exciting upcoming launch is Haswell-E, which will be the desktop version of Intel's next generation Xeon E5 chips.  But credible rumors put this launch as happening on the Friday before Labor Day weekend, which seems timed to minimize publicity.  That's the sort of thing that you do if you know that the part is terrible.  I'm not sure how Intel could have messed up the chip unless DDR4 simply isn't ready for prime time.

How credible are the rumors?  Haswell-E is the first part to use DDR4, so early DDR4 memory basically just has to work with Haswell-E and that's it.  Furthermore, the launch of Haswell-E is the first time that it makes sense to use DDR4.  Memory manufacturers selling DDR4 aren't bound by Intel's launch dates, and can launch DDR4 whenever they want.  So why exactly did New Egg list DDR4 memory as releasing on August 29?  They seem to have subsequently changed some of the DDR4 release dates to September 11, so maybe the rumors aren't as credible, or maybe Intel simply decided to delay the launch.

Originally posted by Purutzil
Well... a world were everything is sunshine and rainbows isn't exactly very compelling of an experience. Conflict fuels intrigue, otherwise why even have a character involved in an MMO if everything is fine? About not being able to solve the conflict... you know what? That is pretty much how RL is. Very rarely does violence ever lead to some ultimate solution, it only ensures survival of the one side. Conflict doesn't just 'end' like it does in most games, it will continue on in some form or another. It might be 'depressing' to think about, but thats just how our world is, and MMos are far closer to it then those single player stories that have 'happy endings'. 

But in real life, the world isn't constantly and visibly on the brink of being destroyed like it is in some MMORPGs.  You can have conflict and intrigue without needing the perpetual threat that humanity might cease to exist in the month or so.  In real life, we do exactly that.

Originally posted by reeereee
Originally posted by sunandshadow
Dark epic stories seem to go with teenage culture, and despite the fact that the average MMO player is now in their mid-20s, the dark stories got associated with tabletop games in the 70s, stayed big through that whole unpleasant "darker and edgier" phase our culture went through starting in the 90s, and remain associated with CCGs, miniatures, basically everything except casual games.  Personally I'm really tired of it.  I've never been a fan of zombies, vampires, or the traditional type of werewolves, though shapeshifters can be cool.  I'm not really a fan of demons, aside from the occasional pretty incubus or urbane duke of hell, or the "demons/angels/gods are actually aliens" like you see in some science fiction.  I'm definitely not a fan of settings riddled with plague, poverty, torture, assassination, and political corruption.  But whenever I post concepts involving relatively cheerful and peaceful adventures in a unique non-epic fantasy or science fantasy world, I don't hear a lot of interest.

I don't think I could remember the last MMO storyline I thought was really dark.  They all strike me as various adaptations of the typical superhero movies that are so popular today... which really aren't that dark. 

 

Just because a lot is in jeopardy before the hero rides to the rescue and magically saves the day again does not make a story dark.

 

Overall I think it's lazy writing.  It's just much easier to try and make a plot compelling when survival of the entire world (I'm looking at you ESO) is riding on the outcome rather than trying to make more ordinary events compelling.

But with MMORPGs, you have a lot of jeopardy waiting for a hero to ride to the rescue, but heroes aren't allowed to ride in to the rescue because that would ruin the game for others.  So you give the "heroes" some loot and hope they're happy while leaving the rest of the world to despair.  That doesn't strike you as dark in the slightest?

Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Quizzical

 

But in MMORPGs, you basically can't change the world, as that would ruin things for others. 

I don't know, man, on the surface your statement is true but thinking about it...

 

I wasn't born in the stone age, yet I dont' feel my life experience was ruined. 

 

if the world "evolves" into something RUINED only then your statement is true. If your world evolves into a place more fun than initially, then you are wrong.

If the world is a nice place to live, then I don't need to change the world.  The point of this thread was, if an MMORPG isn't going to allow players to substantially change the world, then why make the world so dire and in desperate need of being changed?

Why is it that so many MMORPGs have storylines along the lines of, some evil and malevolent person/group/entity/force is threatening to conquer/destroy/unpleasantly alter the city/country/world/galaxy/universe, and it's up to you to stop him/her/it/them?  This occurred to me today as I was playing Wildstar and doing quests for some Mordesh who are perpetually on the brink of basically turning into zombies.  But it's not unique to Wildstar; lots of MMORPGs have a storyline in which everything you hold dear is on the verge of being destroyed in some cataclysm.

It's probably a carry-over from single-player games.  But in single-player games, such a storyline makes sense.  If you're going to have violence, you want to have some justification about how you're the hero who has to kill evil things in order to save the world, not just some psychopath murderer.  But in a single-player game, Link can either save Princess Zelda and then all is right with Hyrule at least until the next sequel, or else fail and the land is overrun by evil.  You save the world or you don't, and you get some sort of closure, at least until you decide to play through the game again.

But in MMORPGs, you basically can't change the world, as that would ruin things for others.  In most MMORPGs, nothing you can do, for better or for worse, can make the denizens whom you're supposedly trying to rescue any more or less secure.  The NPC who begged you to save the town from Bob the Really Big Dragon doesn't even wait until you're out of earshot from turning in the quest before asking someone else to save the town from Bob the Really Big Dragon.  Sure, you thought you just killed Bob and even got the quest reward for it, but Bob isn't really dead, because that would spoil the game for someone else.  Of course, Bob isn't actually interested in attacking the town, as that would also mess up the game for people who will come along two years later.

But if the world is in dire circumstances, and you can't change that no matter what you do, then the world is and always will be in dire circumstances.  Doesn't that strike you as a miserable, depressing place to live?  Some people say they want an immersive game in which you play the role of a character who lives in the game world, but would you really want to live in a world that is forever on the brink of annihilation?  And doesn't it get a little ridiculous that the world is always supposedly a hair's breadth away from catastrophe, but that catastrophe does not and never can come?

Now, not all MMORPGs are like that, of course.  Some have the theme that there's this really dangerous area that you've come to, with the unstated implication that you could leave and go back home and be safe.  That, I think, makes more sense.  But most MMORPGs don't seem to be written that way.

For an OS, the key is the license, not the DVD.  Outside of multi-use licenses, which it's very unlikely that you have, a license can only be used once.  If you have 100 valid license keys, you can use the same DVD to install Windows 8.1 on 100 different computers, provided that you use a different license key for each.  But if you don't have a valid license key, a DVD doesn't do you any good unless you're looking to pirate software.

If you have a valid Windows 8.1 license that has never been used on another computer, then yes, you can use it on your new desktop and save money that way.  But it's not legal to say, hey, I've got a license that I used for my old computer, so I'll reuse it for my new computer.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Bad motherboards are rare and obvious. They would be things like your motherboard catching fire or cracked or leaking. You would also probably not boot.

For your symptoms it could be some relatively common problems. You pretty much spelled out the obvious that its your HDD. It could also be power delivery from your PSU, software, BIOS, or memory.

Motherboards have a lot of pieces that can fail independently, and one broken component doesn't necessarily mean that you have to toss out the whole thing.  If one USB port is dead but the rest of the motherboard works flawlessly, for example, it's still very usable.

That said, I don't think that's what's going on here.  But if the original poster thinks it might be, you can try switching the hard drive to a different SATA port or using a different SATA cable.  It's unlikely that that will fix the problem, though.

Assembling a computer from parts isn't hard.  The hard part is knowing what parts to buy.  If you can plug in a monitor, keyboard, and mouse outside of the case, then you can plug in memory modules, SATA cables, and so forth inside the case.  The most daunting part is attaching the CPU heatsink, but there, if it's a little crooked or some such, it doesn't matter at all.  You do need a Phillips screwdriver (the end looks like a +), and it's nice to have an anti-static wrist strap, though the latter isn't really necessary.

As for what parts to get, here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128689

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113331

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231655

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147023

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136270

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416776

That comes to $570 including shipping, and before $30 in mail-in rebates.  Do use the promo codes on the CPU, memory, case, and optical drive.

On your budget, you're going to use integrated graphics at first.  But it will be fast integrated graphics, and would probably roughly keep pace with a $60 discrete card--and without having to buy the discrete card, which is the point of using integrated graphics.

You do have a clear upgrade path, however.  If you later decide that you need a faster video card, you buy a video card and plug it in, and then you have a faster video card.  I would recommend trying the integrated graphics first, though, as if you're happy with medium graphics, it should offer that or better in nearly every game ever made.

I also picked a 240 GB SSD for you to start.  If you later decide that you need more capacity, it's easy to buy a 1 TB or 2 TB or whatever hard drive later and add it.  I do recommend getting an SSD first, though, as it's much harder to add an SSD later if you started with a hard drive, as you want the OS and your main programs to run on the SSD.

The motherboard probably won't recognize the memory as being 2133 MHz; it will probably default to 1333 MHz or some such.  It will be easy to change it in the BIOS, but do note that you'll have to increase the voltage and latency timings, as well.

If you add a discrete video card later, I'd change the memory to 1866 MHz, 1.5 V, and latency timings of 9-11-11-27 or so at that time, as the extra memory speed only matters if you're using integrated graphics.

So you're saying that a particular game used to scale well with Crossfire at that resolution, you didn't change anything, and now it doesn't?  Did you update video drivers?

Crossfire, like SLI, is very heavily dependent upon driver magic to scale properly.  While it's possible for game developers to sabotage Crossfire and SLI (e.g., by having an engine pause when rendering to try to time when a new frame starts), it's not possible for game developers to implement it.  That relies on video drivers, and often relies on driver optimizations on a per-game basis.

AMD and Nvidia don't have time to optimize drivers for every single GPU they've ever made for every single game.  Instead, they focus on a handful of high-profile games, especially games that are used in video card reviews.  And they also focus only on recent cards; once a card is off the market, they don't need to keep optimizing drivers for it to get you to buy it.

This is why people recommend against buying two mid-range or upper mid-range cards for Crossfire or SLI.  You're better off with a single high end card, even if it's only 50% faster, as you'll get that 50% in every single game rather than having to rely on per-game driver optimizations.

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