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Amusing comments. So many saying 'all free to play games are ______"   Cheerfully fill in the blank. Might as well say 'all pay to play games are not ______ "   Doesn't really matter what you put in the blank space, the answer is wrong. I have played many, many mmos. The only thing I can say in reference to any one category is that they are all different. Played some very good free games and some very bad pay games.

 True, some free to play games are pay to win. But then I have seen a few pay to play games that had an item mall with unbalanced game items as well. Also there are quite a few free games that allow any cash shop item to be earned in game; either through the auction house or by some in game currency exchange system,  only advantage to the rich gamer in those type of games is that they can get stuff faster.

 Also disagree with the statement that all free games are bad as well as the unspoken inference that all pay to play games are good.  That's utter nonsence and anyone that doesn't see that isn't paying attention. There are good and bad games on BOTH sides of that distinction and even the most rabid defender / attacker of a particular type of game knows it; even if they won't admit it.

 Pay to win game is a game that makes gear available that provides ONLY the paying customers with a clear and insurmountable advantage over those that choose not to pay. Just because a free game has a cash shop doesn't make it pay to win, even if that shop sells gear.

 If you want to discuss the merits of a particular game, I will follow with interest; but there are too many differences between games to make any blanket statement that accurately covers any particular genre.

Originally posted by Soltek
Originally posted by Keitaro333
Originally posted by colddog04

So then is paying a sub to WoW P2W? If you don't pay to play, you are at 100% disadvantage because you can't play at all.

You cant win if you dont play. You also cant lose. So, no.

P2W is when you do play a competitive game but play by stricter rules until you pay, which in turn makes you more likely to... surprise surprise, win, over those who dont pay.

See the chess analogy made before.

If you'd be paying an entry fee to a chess tournament, thats like P2P / B2P. If you then could pay extra to buy more or stronger pieces than the opponent, that would be P2W. Not to mention retarded.

Aren't all F2P games P2W?

NO. For example Star Trek online. You can earn cash shop currency by trading with in game currency. Sure you have to do extra quests to earn the extra currency, but a pure free player can get anything in game that a 'cash' player can; it just takes longer. Although I haven't played this game, it sounds like the ONLY way to get the advantage is to pay. Also the advantage granted is not cute fashion or a faster mount... nice items that don't really give any advantage other than bragging rights that support many F2p games without making them pay to win... the purchased option grants a clear advantage for the player paying. I really don't understand how this isn't clear, the advantage makes pvp frustrating at best for free players. For a free player to beat a vip at pvp the vip would have to be a pvp noob.

 

For the argument that leveling to max = win... what do you do when you hit max level? Make a new character? Quit the game?  Most game models allow for pvp and/or end game raids. For pvp, you would just lose 90% of the time as a free player. As far as end game raids, I am willing to bet that every raid leader would rather fill his raid with all vips rather than use the 'weaker' free players. Either way, the vip still has a clear advantage over the free player. Only a player that only plays solo would not be handicapped by this model. If your one of  those players, I have always wondered, what exactly is the point of playing an MMO solo anyway?

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Sorry, but with stuff like the unlimited SWTOR trial, previously pay to play games like Aion and Champions Online now free to play, the upcoming beta weekend/release of Guild Wars 2, and the upcoming beta tests/release of RaiderZ and Neverwinter, I do not see me ever playing this game.

"unlimited SWTOR trial" is anything but unlimited. One craft slot instead of three for subs, 2 chars max instead of 12 per server for subs and worst of all, exp is gimped to the point where you are forced to grind in the 30s to 40s just to open up more story line quests.. no, its just a trial with limitations like any p2p game.

Title says it all. Despite numerous complaints about frequent disconnections, the GamesCampus (current operators at the time of this entry) insist on trying to blame the customers computers and/or suggesting they solve the problem themselves. Which is a real shame as 9Dragons is a nice game. A bit grind heavy, but rather fun overall. Except of coarse when you disconnect .. or rather are forcibly logged out by Error code 183, and have to log back in, repeatedly.  Not only does GameCampus ignore the issue, refuse to answer direct questions about what exactly error code 183 is, but the geniuses actually came up with an 'event' that gives player larger rewards for the time they are online at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 hours. Sadly, disconnecting or even changing characters resets the timer. Meaning anyone affected by the dissconnect bug gets double the frustration.

 

Save your sanity, dont walk, RUN away from this game.

Originally posted by Faitu
Originally posted by sanedor

Why do people fuss about these games , they are free to play . but if you want more then you pay for the extras.. would you work for free? not !!

 

They are not free. One thing cannot be partially free, if there is some cost involved, it already stops being free. We're not whinning that these games should be 100% free and that their workers should gain no profit, we're saying that the use of the terminology "Free to Play" in games like this is absurdly wrong. Playing such games is as using "Shareware" or "Demo" software. They're not Freeware, but many of them can be used for as long as you want. The thing about shareware is that if you want to own the software, you have to pay. It's no different in these games, they just use the term "Free" to lure more people and have them believe they don't have to pay anything to experience the full game. But as soon as those people start playing, they notice that what the ads had them believe was obviously wrong.

But it IS free to play.. you can play the game.. have fun gain a few levels you only have to pay if you want to be top player or reach high levels..   THe statement "free to play" is 100% accurate. You can play free.. you might have to PAY TO SUCCEDE  but they never mentioned success. If you want to quibble about semantics at least follow your own rules. Free to play is no garantee of success despite what you want to read into it. EVERY  F2P game i have ever seen is the same way. Yes its free to play, but hard to be top player or #1 pvper or whatever without access to cash shop items either through direct purchases and/or through extensive hours of play to earn game money/items to exchange for cash shop items.  Free to play is just saying you dont have to pay money to enter the game. Personally i LIKE the free game set up. When i played WOW i paid for many months that I had very little time to play. When playing a F2P game i can spend money in cash shop on days when i do have time to play and not spend any money on days or months when I dont have time. There are all different games out there for all different types of people i just dont understand the complaints about F2P games.. They are free to play.. you can play em for as long as you like without spending a dime and you cannot argue with that.
Now before you start flaming... stop and think about it.. what EXACTLY does the statement "Free to Play" actually SAY? Can you play the game for free? As long as you like? Doesnt that make the statement !00% accurate?
Those who say its not F2P are making an ASSUMPTION that you must be garanteed free to suceede and I just wonder where they get this insane idea.... after all, even WITH lots of money... there is NO garantee to suceede neither in games nor in life.

 

 

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