I could go for one as well, Im trying to convince my wife she needs to write a paper on Eve's player driven economy for one of her business classes! Can these be left at our MMORPG mailbox?

FFXI

Originally posted by SaintViktor

And you wonder why Blizzard milks WoW like there is no tomorrow. Countries like the U.S., Canada and Europe are just a drop in the bucket compared to the Eastern market.  Even the majority of profit Blizzard and other Western mmo developers comes from the Eastern market.

www.massively.com/2009/11/27/wall-street-journal-china-on-track-to-claim-half-of-online-gami/

China has a problem, if they get undercut by Bangladesh, their ride is over.

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by cyandk

Originally posted by dreamscaper

Originally posted by cyandk

The most unique feature in LOTRO is the fact that they could make a MMO where PvP is so damn boring and meaningless. Even with the new expansion coming the PvP is just a timesink and not worth it.

 

 if I want to pvp, I'll go play Aion. ^.^
 

<3

 

Say wut? Aion for pvp? ... hehe

 Aion has the best pvp out right now imo. Give Aion a year of updates and new content and it will only get better. GW2 might outdue Aion but if it doesnt Aion should deliver for pvp fans for the 1-2 years easily.
 

I have to disagree on some level. Ive used my spirit master to kill 3 and 4 like level people at a time solo. Is it my skill? Not really, nothing hard about AOE fear.

That doesnt scream balanced, well thought out Pvp to me.

Originally posted by chrisel

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Mithios

It's not that we don't like soloers, but us "freaks" are not the ones trying to change the nature of MMORPGs and take away everyone elses reason for playing a "Multi" Massive Role P;aying Game.

 

Soloers didn't change the nature of MMOs, reality did.  When MMOs went mainstream, the overwhelming majority of players didn't have the time to be fanatics about the game.  If that's what you're expecting of MMOs today, you're living in the past.  In fact, soloing in MMOs isn't "taking away everyone else's reason for playing", more people play MMOs today than ever.

 

And yet for all of your overglorification, I keep reading that there are less and less MMOs being developed out there. I dont think the genre is healthy at all.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/260411/General-Wachter-The-Failed-Game.html

Sorry to get fingerprints on your rose  colored glasses.

 

Hmm... fewer MMO's? I did not check your link, but  when I look into the Game List here at MMORPG.COM, I have NEVER seen as many MMO's in development as ever before. Back 10 years ago, "everyone" were hyped for ages about 1 single release. Now, theres like dozens of  "main" releases next year.

If you ask me, I would actually see fewer releases, cause it seems that "everyone" has jumped the bandwagon of MMO making; 99% of MMO's released today are utterly crap. If there were fewer releases, then I think the developers would feel they have better time to prepare their MMO's for the market than they have today. Most games I have played after LOTRO's release have felt like they still were in BETA. (Last one was Fallen Earth, and that was way to bugged for me, my sister & her bf)

 

*EDIT* Did check it. Read some of it, and I can say I agree with most. MMO's are not in a healthy state. After the giga-success, every gaming company thought they could earn lots on MMO's. Well, this is just a phase, we will see giga-hits like WoW again, just wait & see. There will be new innovating MMOs for us, that are even MORE solo friendly than World of Warcraft. Blizzard has after all joined forced with Activision. Just imagine what that can bring us...

I honestly hate myself for saying this. But how come we cant have a serious game with as much to do as a game like FreeRealms?

If there were more ways to get xp than just crafting and killing monsters, I think the genre would be huge by comparison.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Mithios

It's not that we don't like soloers, but us "freaks" are not the ones trying to change the nature of MMORPGs and take away everyone elses reason for playing a "Multi" Massive Role P;aying Game.

 

Soloers didn't change the nature of MMOs, reality did.  When MMOs went mainstream, the overwhelming majority of players didn't have the time to be fanatics about the game.  If that's what you're expecting of MMOs today, you're living in the past.  In fact, soloing in MMOs isn't "taking away everyone else's reason for playing", more people play MMOs today than ever.

And yet for all of your overglorification, I keep reading that there are less and less MMOs being developed out there. I dont think the genre is healthy at all.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/260411/General-Wachter-The-Failed-Game.html

Sorry to get fingerprints on your rose  colored glasses.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by ghoul31

LOL, I told u so.

 

 

LOL @ you buddy!

 

LOL at you rejecting an idea that would have saved your game.

with 10k subscribers and falling, they will never be able to pay back their 10 million dollar loan

 

Read the expansion Q&A, Tasos says theyre adding new employees and getting a new office. Man those 10k people must be paying  $100 sub fee a month.
 

Originally posted by Toquio3

The funny thing is, technically, I never solo. I always duo with a friend, or trio (?) with two friends. Thats how mmos go for me. I never pug anymore though. I can count with the fingers of one hand the times I actually enjoyed a pug. so I just dont do it, the pleasure of getting a good group once every full moon doesnt out-weigh (spelling?) the grief of getting bad ones on a daily basis.

 

I cant disagree that there are some really inane people out there that you can fall into a PUG with. However its been my experience that you meet new people and the more people you know, the easier it is to find good groups.

Originally posted by chrisel

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by chrisel

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by SuperXero89

That's only because if players are not encouraged to group with each other, they won't group.

Then apparently, most people don't like grouping if they won't do it unless forced.  That ought to tell you something.

 

This!

 

I dont mind that people want to group. I do also group, on a very exclusive basis. But I do get a bit pift-off when someone try to force it down my throat in the game I play. Well, not so angry, I just leave if the MMO aint support soloing levels.

Anyways, the whole intention of my post was to try turn the view on the "group-facists"; as I earlier said, the average forum user here is NOT the average MMO player. People here are more interested in other parts of the MMO than the average 'powergaming' player approach.

So, whew, it MIGHT appear so that the 'group-facsists' are outnumbering the 'soloers', but it is not. If it had been so, World of Warcraft would NOT be the #1 MMO outthere. The "group-fascists" are a outnumbered & dieing breed.

There will not ever again be any monster selling MMO wich focus on grouping.

Accept this, and life will be easier, especially in your MMO with your virtual friends.

Honestly they need to classify new games as something other than MMORPGs then
 

Why dont you come up with a new acronym for easy street no challenge, instant gratifaction with no work involved, mind numbing monster soloing games. 

Maybe MSORPG?

Massively singleplayer roleplaying games?

 

No work involved? Wow... Well, I still remember back when I soloed the first instances in Hellfire (World of Warcraft) at level 70.... Would you call that no work?  Beating up 2 other pallies alone in the arena... equally geared as me, alone, thats no skills...?

Dude, I do not need raid instances to get my challenges; I create them myself!

Well, roleplaying is also almost 'dead'. It is a minority of the MMO genre who does that. Even on the RP servers.So, a better term, would perhaps be Massive Multiplayer Online Game; MMOO?

Thats a nice pic, you lift part time?
 

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

I simply want back what you stole from us first.
 

We didn't steal anything, reality did.  Grouping had it's shot, it FAILED.  As games became more popular, the majority of players didn't want to group.  Therefore games started to cater more to their wishes because those are the people who are paying the bills.  If the MMO world went to catering to groupers, it would implode, there aren't enough groupers out there to keep the genre alive.

But you don't like that, you want to live in a fantasy world where you can have your way.  Because people obviously aren't going to CHOOSE to play your way, you want to either force it on them or bribe them.  Anything to get people to do what *YOU* want, then you whine that people stole something from you.  And you don't even see the hypocrisy.

 

Im not going to force it on anyone. read the rest of the thread hoss. You are missing the entire point in your overzealous attempt to stir up trouble.

I just did read the entire thread, all 27 pages of it.  And you keep talking about giving groupers extra rewards or making games more difficult so that more people will group.  THAT IS FORCE!

Or are you really that blind?

Well man, when we both get banned on account of your neurosis, youll have plenty of time to pick fights with people on other websites for fun.
 

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

Why would a 43 year old man who doesnt play MMOs anymore be on this site just to start fights? Creepy.
 

Like I said, you're an ass.  Grow up.

At least Im not a 43 year old man who gets his rocks off picking fights on MMORPG.COM.

Id rather be an ass than a psycho.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

It WAS a team sport. But as more people with an overgrown selfish sense of entitlement filter in the genre demanding that the genre bend THEIR way the more the game suffers. MMO's are dead. And if I wasnt playing with some friends, Id tell the whole stagnated genre and all its flotsom to rot in hell.
 

Bring out your dead.

Then go ahead, nobody will miss you.  You're living in the past.  Today, those "group-heavy" games would be considered AAA failures.  It wasn't until the MMO market broke out into the mainstream that we saw millions of subscribers and tons of games being available.  The "team-sport MMO world" that you want to exist FAILED and was replaced by something that not only succeeded, but thrived.

It's not MMOs that are dead, but your narrow  vision of what you wished they would be.  Those died a well-deserved death and aren't coming back.

 

Hopefully someone will pull your favorite hobby out from under you, so I can laugh at your misfortune. Youd deserve it.

Grow up.  You sound like you're 10 years old.

Besides, MMOs are hardly my favorite hobby, that would be something that I can do solo and nobody can take it away from me because I don't rely on others to make it fun.

Keep whining, it seems like all you can do.

So if someone completely changed MMOs into a thing youd no longer like right this moment, youd shut your mouth and take it without so much as a whimper? Answer honestly now. I do not like liars.
 

Sure, I'd go find something else to do that I happened to enjoy.  But I'm not a fanatic about MMOs, I play them if they are fun, if they are not fun, I don't play.  Right now, I'm not playing any because IMO none of them are fun.  We'll see what happens with the next batch that come out.

You, on the other hand, are so fixated on a particular genre that you can't even imagine just going to find something different to do.

Why would a 43 year old man who doesnt play MMOs anymore be on this site just to start fights? Creepy.
 

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

 

I disagree. People who solo WOULD group if the grouping experience were far greater and more rewarding. However because its not, people prefer to solo.

What kills me though, are the most ardent supporters of solo content are the people that no one would want to spend more than a few seconds around anyway.

Do you ever get tired of being so full of shit?  I wouldn't group just to get greater rewards, I'd be more apt to just quit playing the game entirely, which is likely what most people would do.  So if you want to drive the entire genre into the ground, sure, keep doing what you're doing.

Did you want to go out on a date or something before you try and ride my ass? Are you seriously going to go through this thread ignoring everying but my posts then go back and systematically argue every single thing Ive posted. Get help. Thats not healthy to obsess like that.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

I simply want back what you stole from us first.
 

We didn't steal anything, reality did.  Grouping had it's shot, it FAILED.  As games became more popular, the majority of players didn't want to group.  Therefore games started to cater more to their wishes because those are the people who are paying the bills.  If the MMO world went to catering to groupers, it would implode, there aren't enough groupers out there to keep the genre alive.

But you don't like that, you want to live in a fantasy world where you can have your way.  Because people obviously aren't going to CHOOSE to play your way, you want to either force it on them or bribe them.  Anything to get people to do what *YOU* want, then you whine that people stole something from you.  And you don't even see the hypocrisy.

Im not going to force it on anyone. read the rest of the thread hoss. You are missing the entire point in your overzealous attempt to stir up trouble.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

I simply want back what you stole from us first.
 

We didn't steal anything, reality did.  Grouping had it's shot, it FAILED.  As games became more popular, the majority of players didn't want to group.  Therefore games started to cater more to their wishes because those are the people who are paying the bills.  If the MMO world went to catering to groupers, it would implode, there aren't enough groupers out there to keep the genre alive.

But you don't like that, you want to live in a fantasy world where you can have your way.  Because people obviously aren't going to CHOOSE to play your way, you want to either force it on them or bribe them.  Anything to get people to do what *YOU* want, then you whine that people stole something from you.  And you don't even see the hypocrisy.

Please answer my above question before you flame more.

Originally posted by chrisel

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by SuperXero89

That's only because if players are not encouraged to group with each other, they won't group.

Then apparently, most people don't like grouping if they won't do it unless forced.  That ought to tell you something.

 

This!

 

I dont mind that people want to group. I do also group, on a very exclusive basis. But I do get a bit pift-off when someone try to force it down my throat in the game I play. Well, not so angry, I just leave if the MMO aint support soloing levels.

Anyways, the whole intention of my post was to try turn the view on the "group-facists"; as I earlier said, the average forum user here is NOT the average MMO player. People here are more interested in other parts of the MMO than the average 'powergaming' player approach.

So, whew, it MIGHT appear so that the 'group-facsists' are outnumbering the 'soloers', but it is not. If it had been so, World of Warcraft would NOT be the #1 MMO outthere. The "group-fascists" are a outnumbered & dieing breed.

There will not ever again be any monster selling MMO wich focus on grouping.

Accept this, and life will be easier, especially in your MMO with your virtual friends.

Honestly they need to classify new games as something other than MMORPGs then
 

Why dont you come up with a new acronym for easy street no challenge, instant gratifaction with no work involved, mind numbing monster soloing games. 

Maybe MSORPG?

Massively singleplayer roleplaying games?

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

It WAS a team sport. But as more people with an overgrown selfish sense of entitlement filter in the genre demanding that the genre bend THEIR way the more the game suffers. MMO's are dead. And if I wasnt playing with some friends, Id tell the whole stagnated genre and all its flotsom to rot in hell.
 

Bring out your dead.

Then go ahead, nobody will miss you.  You're living in the past.  Today, those "group-heavy" games would be considered AAA failures.  It wasn't until the MMO market broke out into the mainstream that we saw millions of subscribers and tons of games being available.  The "team-sport MMO world" that you want to exist FAILED and was replaced by something that not only succeeded, but thrived.

It's not MMOs that are dead, but your narrow  vision of what you wished they would be.  Those died a well-deserved death and aren't coming back.

 

Hopefully someone will pull your favorite hobby out from under you, so I can laugh at your misfortune. Youd deserve it.

Grow up.  You sound like you're 10 years old.

Besides, MMOs are hardly my favorite hobby, that would be something that I can do solo and nobody can take it away from me because I don't rely on others to make it fun.

Keep whining, it seems like all you can do.

So if someone completely changed MMOs into a thing youd no longer like right this moment, youd shut your mouth and take it without so much as a whimper? Answer honestly now. I do not like liars.
 

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Arcken

It WAS a team sport. But as more people with an overgrown selfish sense of entitlement filter in the genre demanding that the genre bend THEIR way the more the game suffers. MMO's are dead. And if I wasnt playing with some friends, Id tell the whole stagnated genre and all its flotsom to rot in hell.
 

Bring out your dead.

Then go ahead, nobody will miss you.  You're living in the past.  Today, those "group-heavy" games would be considered AAA failures.  It wasn't until the MMO market broke out into the mainstream that we saw millions of subscribers and tons of games being available.  The "team-sport MMO world" that you want to exist FAILED and was replaced by something that not only succeeded, but thrived.

It's not MMOs that are dead, but your narrow  vision of what you wished they would be.  Those died a well-deserved death and aren't coming back.

Hopefully someone will pull your favorite hobby out from under you, so I can laugh at your misfortune. Youd deserve it.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 Great article guys. The game is developing wonderfully

 

To think the haters were stating the game would shut down in 6 months....lol....they are actually hiring new people and moving into a bigger building. 

 

Unlike some games....

Frankly I smell more spin.

How can a game with such a low population be getting anywhere?

Originally posted by stormpuma21

 I enjoy solo'ing in an mmo because, i may be on my own ventures but, i can see other "real" people running past me. People populating the environment around me and providing ambience definitely breaks up the solitude. I think i just "happen" to play solo but i enjoy others around. Even if i dont socialize with them.

I play at a much slower pace than others and too often, everyone is rushing towards their objective. I like to kill every mob on the way to the quest objective sometime, and roleplay with my character inside of my own head lol. Play the game however you like to right? 

I dont think the solution is banishing soloing, I wont lie, Ive done plenty of it in my day. However I think the problem lies in the fact that if everyone solos, it will make grouping obsolete. I prefer to group, however with soloing becoming more and more common place, it takes away from the pool of players who you could potentially be grouping with.