I can confirm that the game is in fact 19.99 atm and only 9.99 a month

Well this is the part where folks are either in love or absolutely hate the game.

The major draw to eve is the social interactions and player driven events that happen due to the openness of the game.

Think of it this way. There are two ways to look at a sandbox in your back yard. One... its just 5 bags of 50lb sand...boring. Another way to look at is, an entire kingdom you can create, build, and enjoy.

Eve is that sandbox.

What is there to do in eve... well lots of things.

You can become a trade / market mogul. One who goes from region to region tracking prices and gaining wealth. Trading your goods and possibly even hauling services while you amass wealth. Once you reach enough captial you can then use your wealth to influence the market to your benefit... and others detriment. I.E. market pvp.

You could become an explorer, someone who seeks out lost relics, resources, and other points of interest. Gaining powerful ships and items as you go, eventually exploring wormhole space and either living there, or roaming worm hole to worm hole killing as you go.

You  could become an evil pirate who hides in the depths of lawless space, waiting for victims, and either killing them out right for profit, or ransom them. Over time building friends and enemies, and perhaps turning into a mercenary who for a fee, is willing to use his prowess to enforce others will.

The problem / benefit of all of the above scenarios is they rely on you to create, play, and enjoy. I talked them up and made them sound exciting, but one could also make them dull and boring... it all depends on your outlook.

For instance.

My corp caught our enemy unawares and blew them up. They never saw it coming. I guess it was fun...

or

My corp spent weeks getting a spy into the enemy corporation. We used the intel to setup a covert op that would give us the tactical edge. We setup in a system nearby their mining op, and when we got the go ahead hit them up for about 4 billion in assets, pretty much destroying their industrial wing. Due to this we have been able to force them to pay us our ransom and have pushed them out of our space.

Thats the same event, told two different ways. If you only see the first, you are going to hate eve. If you can see the second, you will love it. Hope that was some help...

Both aion and Darkfall are grind oriented games.

Granted you can macro in darkfall if you like so you dont have to actively play it to do the grind... but as someone who just came back to DF with a fresh toon, I'd honestly recommend Aion more.

Why?

Simply because you can play Aion from the get go. You will have a good month of fun playing with friends, pvping, and doing dungeons etc.

With darkfall you will spend your entire month getting 4 shot by vets while you try to raise your skills to a competitive level. The expansions going to fix some of those issues, but even with the new melee and archery buffs you are still going to need magery for healing and buffs to survive, and thats a hell of a grind.

If you are mainly looking for fun over christmas break Id avoid DF.

Speed hack, Teleporting, and Radar are still functioning and still used. People dont "See them" anymore because if you report a hacker they get banned.

But, if someone can see you coming outside of clipping, and can teleport instantly anywhere in the map... if they are smart you will never see them.

So, these hacks arent used in pvp anymore as it risks your account, but they are definitely used to fund folks pve wise. Being able to make 5k an hour as a newbie and GM all your melee in a week is a rather tempting deal.

Hopefully AV will turn off the clients ability to do that, or simple set it to where it must be checked by the server... cause at the current time you can hack your ass off and as long as you are cautious you will never get caught

I find the world building and web page integration to be rather interesting... I checked it out for a bit this summer, but havent messed with it since. Was curious if there was anyone here who dabbled with / in metaplace.

You might want to check into Metaplace... its not a traditional mmo as in you build a little world and such, but it definitely is female friendly and they seem to like it.

The engine is fairly open ended and you can make your own little mini games and adventures with it.

If you are looking for traditional, try out LOTRO.

Originally posted by WhackANewbie

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by WhackANewbie

Originally posted by sjamP

Originally posted by WhackANewbie

you are saying 2 million people have tried Darkfall? Nothing against Darkfall but....epic fail. You need to divide big time.

 

There is quite a difference between 2 million people having watched the Darkfall page and 2 million people actually trying the game. That said, 2 million sounds like quite a lot, and I'm not going to completely dismiss the thought that some people have tried tampering with the statistics. However, there has been a lot of talk, good and bad, about Darkfall, hence a lot of people have probably checked out its page.

 

The posting says 'the visits to darkfall', nothing bout watching Darkfall. So fail. And no I'm not being a douche I just roll my eyes when people try to prove something when there is no evidence. The OP said nothing about watching it, only visiting. Visiting, as in, playing because you're visiting the world, not watching. If everyone 'visitied' an MMO, in your terminology, then no MMO would be cancelled.

Not that I really care that much, but I assumed he meant vists to either the webpage, or hits via mmorpg.  I highly doubt he meant played the game.

I dont care to debate semantics with you, I just think it was pretty obvious what he was trying to say.

If you did not care to debate semantics then why reply? a visit means you went somewhere. I went to california so i experienced it. if you visit darkfall you went there. i would think 'visit' would mean playing then going to a website. have him say what he meant, i don't care. but you commented on what i said when a visit can, clearly, imply that 2 million people have played the game. going to a website seems like unlikey, to me. you wanted to object to it.
 

No... for those that arent dense, and have been following DF on MMORPG.com there has been a rather massive surge in "Hits" to the website, over 2 million in the past few months. Thats a rather large number of hits and since MMORPG does advertising thats a lot of impressions that advertisers are not going to want to pay for if its not legit traffic.

Regardless, you assumed the OP was talking about the game, which could be an easy assumption if you hadnt been keeping up on the recent debates about the game. However, once it was pointed out and you keep harping on it... you are either dense, or just being obstinate.

Originally posted by Ruyn

To the haters, are you jealous when a group of random clan members group up and take down a dragon?  They are able to group up because their are no level restrictions to be able to contribute and no restrictions to be able to participate?!.

Darkfall has just as many limitations. Im currently a new player starting out, and Im extremely restricted right now due to my skills, or lack there of.

Most vets can 2 - 3 shot me, I have 0 chance against them. Very few mobs othere than trolls or goblins are able to be killed by me yet (unless of course you count exploiting).

So no... Id have to disagree with you there.

Darkfall is a good game, but its far from the best. I'd even say its not the best in its genre, I believe EvE is a much more polished version of darkfall.

Darkfall may turn out to be a good game once AV gets it polished, but its still pretty damn rough around the edges.

Originally posted by chrisel

I am looking forward to SW-TOR myself. But after I played Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare, I am quite shocked/surprised what could be gotten out of a proper GFX engine... So, I will prolly expect more from SW-TOR than so far I have seen from the screenshots...

Hopefully I will be positively surprised. Both STO & SW-TOR...

So from your last few posts its rather apparent that you only care about graphics... in that instance you might wish to check out vanguard!

Agricola1

If you would like I can set you up as a contributor on DFONews.com and you can make your posts there as well. I have a few folks contributing and we are trying to cover the news in the DF community.

If your interested let me know.

Servers are located in California, but time zone isnt really relevant.

As for boxed copies, the game is currently ONLY available through digital download. Personally id strongly recommend you get used to that method now, as in a few years odds are it will be the only method.

If I remember my turbine history, MS was out of the picture by the time AC2 was around...might be wrong though.

Been playing Df for the past two weeks and havent seen this.

I have seen people getting covered in blood the lower their health is, also as armor is destroyed while fighting it disapears, but other than that no.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

AV could have avoided any comments by simply offering a free month to play for bringing in another player.  

Instead once again AV manages take something completely normal and twist it around into something bizarre.    As well as providing an entertaining read on the community forums lol 

Its not bizarre...CCP has been doing this for years, its standard affiliate marketing. Actually... I take that back it is bizarre, the commission they are paying is rather low.

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

This isnt new for any affiliate marketing type stuff, check out clickbank. Same deal. You arent an employee, you are being given a product and choosing to sell it. Should you do so, you are given a %. Most affiliate marketing sites dont require tax information until you pop 500 bucks.

I seriously doubt anyone with the affiliate program is going to sell enough darkfall accounts the pop the tax barrier.

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

EvE actually has this SAME exact program but they pay 7 bucks cash per sale instead of 10 (games also only 20 bucks).

 

 

Really? I didnt know, but if EVE has it then DF should have it too, damn it!

 

Yeah I have been a member of eve's for a while on my eve blog, you can find the webpage here.

Its a lot harder to find than DF's

It's not the exact same program.  PAying a website owner to advertise is a legitimate business relationship and is no different than paying mmorpg.com to advertise.
 

What Adventurine is doing is using players as paid labor to advertise without the legitimate business relationship.

Edit:

The EVE Online affiliate program is intended for individuals and organizations that have ways to promote products on the Internet and want to profit at the same time. EVE Online is an award-winning, critically-acclaimed massively multiplayer online roleplaying game (MMORPG) and our subscription base is expanding every day. This is a great opportunity to introduce a fresh and exciting product to new users. The target group is large as the group of MMORPG players is constantly growing.

We have affiliate partnerships with a wide variety of web sites, ranging from personal blogs to larger sites. These publishers earn additional revenue each month generating sales from both their existing and new visitors. The affiliate program can be a way to help cover the costs of hosting a website or a way to generate additional income.

 

Actually, there is no difference between eve's and AV's.

Both give you banners for your website, and thats the intended purpose, however, both can be used as links in signatures, forum fake reviews, squidoo pages, article marketing, and every other kind of internet spam you can think of.

AV intended for this to be website marketing on web pages, folks just took the idea and ran with it in a different direction, which most affiliate marketers have been using for years.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

EvE actually has this SAME exact program but they pay 7 bucks cash per sale instead of 10 (games also only 20 bucks).

 

 

Really? I didnt know, but if EVE has it then DF should have it too, damn it!

Yeah I have been a member of eve's for a while on my eve blog, you can find the webpage here.

Its a lot harder to find than DF's

Originally posted by Euphoryk

Originally posted by Vaygus

I've seen a few threads and personally removed them on the basis that they contained referral links, which isn't allowed and we are required to remove. As of now they are treated as any other referral link. This could be subject to change, I honestly couldn't tell you, but there hasn't been a word from any off the bossmen about it as of yet.

Edited.

 

Good to know, I'll keep reporting them then whenever I see one.

They can find somewhere else to advertise. It is beyond annoying seeing those threads pop up claiming that DF is "amazing!" or what have you, followed by a refferal link, all in an attempt to put cash in there own pockets.

This site is not an appropriate avenue for such things.

This I do agree with, I find no problems with the program itself, but people need to use their fan sites (like mine) and other avenues to promote, not simply make forum threads here.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

What the hell are you folks complaining about?

Most games do this, WoW, EvE, LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, etc etc... the only difference is, AV gives you 10 bucks, the other games give you a free month of gameplay (15 bucks).

This isnt new, its not sinister, its not evil, and it sure as hell isnt illegal.

Its called word of mouth / affiliate marketing. Welcome to the internet folks.

As someone else mentioned, to get the benefits in other games, you usually have to play with the person, AND they get a trial. For Darkfall, you just post a referral link, big up the game and have those people drop $50 or whatever and you get a fifth of that. It's like the difference between INTRODUCING a friend to something and SELLING a person something.

To get ALL the benefits from wow yes, for the rest no.

WoW gives you a free month even if you never see that person or play with them, as do all the other games. WoW goes beyond that and hooks you up with a nice exp bonus as well.

The fact remains, that most folks dont use these to "Play" with friends, most use them to get free months of gametime. Hell, my eve account has been free from August to next Feb cause I have given people trials, and I think only one of them ever messaged my character, I answered his questions helped him out, and he went on his way, but he definitely isnt a close friend.

Fact of the matter is, 10 bucks or a free month of game time are both payments for a service. EvE actually has this SAME exact program but they pay 7 bucks cash per sale instead of 10 (games also only 20 bucks).

So this is not new, and again, its not bad. Yes you are being a paid salesman for that company... but again this is the basis for internet and affiliate marketing.

What the hell are you folks complaining about?

Most games do this, WoW, EvE, LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, etc etc... the only difference is, AV gives you 10 bucks, the other games give you a free month of gameplay (15 bucks).

This isnt new, its not sinister, its not evil, and it sure as hell isnt illegal.

Its called word of mouth / affiliate marketing. Welcome to the internet folks.