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I expect I am really out that airlock this time with my reply:
That is absolutely the WORST idea I have ever heard, seriously. That will totally destroy server communities. Even worse than the NGE did. It will make `leet speak, bad behavior, and forum wars even MORE prevalent. If implimented, SWG will lose several thousand more subscriblers than it already will lose because of the continued existance of the NGE. Which it can ill afford. We are better off with more communication, not less. |
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Elyssa, btw, is the resident Eva Braun of the Senate. She keeps whining that there is TOO MUCH free speech on the forums.
I am not surprised that her solution to in game problems is in game censorship. I am sure that MsNil will soon join her in her cause. |
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10/21/06 12:57:44 AM#3
I actually fully support the idea. It'd be one more nail... |
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That it would be... Of course, censorship is already in the hands of the individual player. You can elect to not communicate with anyone you wish. It's called /addignore. That is where it should stay, not with faction or SOE. I was always a Rebel in SWG. However, I had a LOT of Imp friends, one of my best friends in the game is even an Imp guild leader. Sure we will fight each other when we're red, but we will laugh about it later. That is community. It's a GAME, not a fucking war. Elyssa is truly a mindless twit. And she proves the worthlessness of the Senate. The Senate is costing them subscribers at this point, by giving these sycophantic suckups a larger voice and status. People actually believe that if a piss yellow name posts something like this that it will come true, so she undoubtably caused some cancels tonight. Two things in SWG need to go for it to once again grow and prosper: 1. The NGE 2. The Senate |
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10/21/06 1:04:40 AM#5
IF it was a tick option in the Options window that wasn't on by default, then I'd have no problem with it. I wouldn't support it if it was a forced thing though. I wouldn't have it turned on though
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There IS an option for it. /addignore. This crap is yet another reason for disbanding the Senate. An idiot like Elyssa posts this junk, it lives and gets read and gets taken seriously. When she is really in the bottom 5% as far as constructive posters go. The Sentator Suckasses like her use their blind support for SOE as cover to advance even dumber, more destructive ideas than the NGE. I have to admit, faction chat blackout DOES fit with the Romper Room design of the NGE. |
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10/21/06 1:20:05 AM#7
There IS an option for it. /addignore. This crap is yet another reason for disbanding the Senate. An idiot like Elyssa posts this junk, it lives and gets read and gets taken seriously. When she is really in the bottom 5% as far as constructive posters go. The Sentator Suckasses like her use their blind support for SOE as cover to advance even dumber, more destructive ideas than the NGE. I have to admit, faction chat blackout DOES fit with the Romper Room design of the NGE. Yeah /addignore works in a simillar way, although manually. I'm kinda mixed on it though. If people don't want to see trash talk in PvP then they should have options not to, which /addignore sort of does but you have to recieve some tells first and it doesn't work on emails. On the other hand, having a feature such as this automatically assumes all PvP'ers are assholes on a mission to put you down, which is something that I don't agree with. I've met just as many trash talking PvE'ers as I have PvP'ers over my time in the game.
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10/21/06 1:24:22 AM#8
This is why I can't come to this forum anymore. SOE or one of their most ardent supportters (not talking about Obraik, Obraik just has a difference of opinion in my book. Also will not define the line between difference of opinion and SOE zealot because it is very subjective to the individual.) comes up with some insane idea and I lose faith in humanity.
I want to do like "Clockwork Orange" to the Dev's. I want to take some toothpicks, prop their eye lids open, and force them to read millions of lines of assinine ideas until assinine ideas cause extreme revulsion to them. 
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10/21/06 1:29:48 AM#9
Kind of like WoW. Horde cant communicate with Alliance or vice versa. The idea is kind of OK, I guess. But I dont think it would stop the trash talking and being rude. All anyone has to do is wait for the target player to go on leave if they really wanted to (if I understand the proposed system correctly). And who is to say that they just cant log on with thier thier Neutral Alt? I suppose they could make it permanent like WoW, but from what I hear the server populations are pretty low, and it would divide an already suffering population. Decent idea all in all I guess. But too many loop holes as far as I am concerned. |
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Well, that 4th forum permaban is coming. The bitch responds to me (and I've completely turned the thread against her by pointing out /addignore)
Your idea is irrational, not practical, and community destroying. /addignore has existed since the inception of the game. Your solution, to a nonexistant problem (since a game mecahnic exists to serve everyone affected by trash talk) is the equivalent of killing a fly with a nuclear bomb. Exactly. No one need receive an unwanted tell, etc, more than once. This thread is pointless and should be locked/moved. If this idea were implimented would it make people nicer? NO, it'd have the opposite effect, it'd make the Imperial and Rebel sides even MORE hostile and hateful, given that SWG is becoming an all player killing all the time game, because they COULD NOT communicate! I played on THE heaviest PvP server SWG has ever had, Bloodfin. Early on, did I hate Imp players for killing me? Yes I did. Did I get beyond that because I got to know them and indeed, became friends with many of them? Yep. Would that have happened if I could never have communicated with them? Nope. Problems and conflicts rarely get better with communication blackouts. I petition Elyssa to withdraw her idea. |
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Petion denied:
Then why are ideas that are even less controversial than yours (trust me, if a Senator were to propose Pre-Cu classic servers you'd have a LOT more support and little player opposition) squashed by the mods, while your post, which could be labeled an unconstructive troll (I would) lives on? What you propose would worsen the problem you claim exists: Forum wars caused by in game happenings. If people can't communicate in game, before, during, and after a conflict, where will they go? The forums. And if they can't go there, they will go OUTSIDE, as most of us have already had to (mmorpg.com SWG Vet Refuge forum). Which is even worse. When it gets out of game because it can't be communicated there, the problem gets worse. When it gets out of the game forums because it can't be communicated there, it gets into the New York Times :) I understand your sentiment. No one LIKES hate tells (well, I do, they signified success in PvP), but they are a consequence of player conflict, which a game that is becomeong ever MORE centered on creating player conflict by increasing PvP (because nothing has been done to boost PvE in a year) is inevitable. It is something you, your "senate" and the redmanes need to learn to live with becauase it's a direct result of choices made by SOE. Let's see how she and the mods handle THAT. |
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Well, we found out. Helios weighs in:
Helios, that is absolutely asinine. Sorry, I have to use that word, because I believe it to be true. WORST POST YOU HAVE EVER made, and well... if I can't say anything nice I won't say anything at all. PM me. Do you actually WANT there to be no such thing as a server community?! Do you WANT people standing around for hours doing notjing? DO you WANT people who have real lives and who work 9-5 unable to play at all except weekends? I can't believe this. You've made the whole debate even worse. |
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dookseid
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Joined: 7/05/06
...and then this crap came shootin'' out of a wooden tube and I was all like "WTF!!" Kirk sploitz! |
10/21/06 2:20:07 AM#13
I hope he was sitting home drunk off his ass when he typed that!! These guys truly have no idea what makes an mmorpg fun do they? From that post alone you can see that Helios still has Single Player game mentality. Unfreakinbelievable.... |
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She is not going to argue with me anymore:
It is a solution in search of a problem. If someone is harassed, they can /report. Someone going over the line SHOULD have action taken against them. But the game allows that even if not, they can do it themselves /addignore... They can ban someone themselves. Look, if someone can't bother to do a /report if they have a legit harassment issue or /addignore if they are simply ignored, I have no sympathy. R T F M. What you propose is tantamount to "automatic group guilt". I guess if you were a school principal, and a bully in 4th grade stole the lunch money of a 2nd grader, you would advocate the punishment of all 4th graders, not the individual. This IS what you are proposing. If I played SWG again (Which I do not plan to anytime soon) I want to be able to communicate with anyone as I could when I left. Elyssa, it's you who refuses to support your proposal with any argument or logic whatsoever. You refuse to respond to me again? I guess that is because you can't refute anything I have said. Which is what I have come to expect. |
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10/21/06 2:28:40 AM#15
This is like party politics. They run some bullshit topic up the flag and get some mindless sycophants to stir people up as though it's a real issue. You're telling me with the 21 day subs failing and people continuing to cancel this is a real issue of concern for a dev to be considering? Of course not. It's a political ploy so the devs can say "see we care what you think". "You created a constructive post and we gave it consideration." Hell they'll probably implement it just to say they did. Of course at this rate only the senate will be playing shortly so their ideas should be golden. Way to focus on real issues SOE. |
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RankorCity wrote:
This is the kettle calling. Yep, LOL. The "Senate" does not listen to us, does not represent us in any way, was not chosen by us, and is not accountable to us. So what purpose, Senate? Draw your own concusion. Case in point Elyssa's complete non argument, "I will take my ball and go home, and oh, when GarVa wakes up I will so have your posts deleted implication " style vs my logical, rational argument, and explanation as to why this change would be negative not positive, and as to how everyone who has this problem can use an EXISTING feature to avoid it, ie: /addignore. Master Lightsaber/Healer 4000/Enhancer 3002/Defender 4044 |
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10/21/06 2:48:03 AM#17
Yeah...I just read this crybaby shit from Elyssa. It's really pathetic because being able to openly communicate with the opposing faction is one of the strong points of SWG. Love, Sodapop |
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10/21/06 3:05:19 AM#18
Ignoring the chat stuff, the 6 hour timer thing would add a loss factor to PvP. It would add a reason to make sure you don't die during PvP, because if you did you wouldn't be able to join in on the battle again. It'd also put a stop to clone zerging too and factions would potentially be able to controll PvP zones. There are of course some negatives and it could potentially kill off PvP as people might not want to PvP unless they're sure they could win.
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10/21/06 3:06:09 AM#19
My 2 cents (destined for deletion I'm sure) in the thread:
Look..This is a video game. I've seen you Senators and the Devs and TH say that before. TH himself has said on many occasions that if a video game bothers you that much, then you must have some deeper issues in you life that you need to explore. You are trying to bring people into PvP that just are not interested in it. You are chasing that imaginary playerbase that got you in trouble last November (and every month since then).
Love, Sodapop |
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Do you bear the PWDNP guild tag?
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