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  Beatnik59

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10/03/06 6:30:58 PM#41

Originally posted by Ivannatinkle
That brings up an interesting, and valid, point. Which other games are AD involved with?

They were involved with Seed, doing community management and live events.  Actually, I think the better parts of Seed were in the CS and live events.  Always prompt, always helpful, and always thinking of ways to make the experience better.

Both D&L and Seed were unfinished and rough at launch.  The difference is that Farlan made AD's job harder, by doing screwy stuff with preorders, account difficulties, undue bannings, etc.  Runestone was up front, more than aware of the difficulties, and worked extra hard to make up for it, making AD's job easier.

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  Senbonzakura

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10/04/06 5:36:48 AM#42
will NOT be playing that game. I guess the fact that it  handles lots of on screen characters is good since most games lag when this happens, but thats not enough to make up for the lack of erm... everything!

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  Lamamoto

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10/04/06 9:26:23 AM#43

Keep Hands off this game.....

I was in SoG , as an Pioneer, I canceled the game b4 I get mad of....

biggest problem is the error if u use ATI graphiccards, you have to use an older version of thre driver, 6.3 i think...  , and so on and on

It could be a great game ....  ; but they fumbled  it to dead

have to say that with an tear in my eye  (crying or laughing, i dont know )

to see zhat game going down the drain, makes me really angry

ok, I stop flame

greetings

  Tiller

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10/04/06 10:08:26 AM#44
I thought it was a hash enough review. It makes me not want to buy or try the game. I kinda feel sorry for the company. I'll bet my left nut that most of the people who were hyping the game were SW:G refuges.  Once it launched and turned out to be a POS, They killed it by being vocal (I remember reading about what people thought). Word of mouth in the MMO industry is a killer.


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  User Deleted
10/04/06 10:21:10 AM#45

Originally posted by tillamook
 Word of mouth in the MMO industry is a killer.
Very true. Maybe one of these days game developers will wise up to that fact
  tepthtanis

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The key word in any game is "Fun!"

10/04/06 3:16:23 PM#46

Originally posted by Lamamoto

Keep Hands off this game.....

I was in SoG , as an Pioneer, I canceled the game b4 I get mad of....

biggest problem is the error if u use ATI graphiccards, you have to use an older version of thre driver, 6.3 i think...  , and so on and on

It could be a great game ....  ; but they fumbled  it to dead

have to say that with an tear in my eye  (crying or laughing, i dont know )

to see zhat game going down the drain, makes me really angry

ok, I stop flame

greetings



Like I told MrsButterworth. The biggest fault of Farlan/DnL was their mistreatment of their fans. Blaming the games failings on them. Total lack of customer support. "Hello, this is DnL support.....please hold the line...we will be with you in...fornever!" The ATI graphix card debacle was just a side effect of their lack of customer support.

Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  User Deleted
10/04/06 4:43:19 PM#47

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)

I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.

Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did =)


Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.

But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.


Please prove me wrong.

Thanks.


So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?

They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.

I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"

So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...

Prove me wrong.

Have a nice day.


you have issues man. I did not say any of thoes things. Get the voices in your head checked.
  tepthtanis

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The key word in any game is "Fun!"

10/04/06 6:18:59 PM#48


Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

you have issues man. I did not say any of thoes things. Get the voices in your head checked.



Okay, here we go...

1) You attacked my original statement and called me a moron because I said you were a fanboi...I wasn't rude, I didn't say anything mean and yet you called me a moron. You even said "we" hate you. Sorry buddy! I don't hate anyone!

2) I came back and made you bleed because of your pitiful lies...It's so obvious! I'm sure if we took a poll I would win hands down!

3) Here's somemore...I went back and read your review under DnL ratings. You said you haven't been a fanboi since before SOG. Then why after the release of DnL on June 5th did you say..."A great game! A step above the norm." (Actually you said "I great game". You can't even spell "A" right and you have the nerve to call me a moron!)... then you said..."not an easy game...very complex." The only two things that are complex about DnL are Logging in and getting a refund. Then you said the game has some issues but it was just released and they will be resolved. If you're not a fanboi then no one is...

4) Anyone can go on to DnL forums and read your posts. There is plenty of evidence there of your fanboi status.

5) You come on here and say that DnL is great now because of the dual threading in the latest patch so it runs peachy-keen on your computer. FYI. Not everyone has an "easy button" on their computer. In fact, your the only one. I suppose your computer corrects all the DnL bugs for you. I suppose it adds the promised content that is missing for you. I suppose it has it's own customer support that is 100% efficient.

6) Any game in the world would look good after the stuff that you've been smoking,popping or injecting. "Hey everyone! Let's have a rousing game of hopscotch!!!" 

7)So hey Blood, just drop it. I've had so much experience wtih lying idiots like you that everything you say is painted in red. If you really want to get nasty. E-mail me! I freely display it in my bio.

8) I've had enough of your whining and your bs. All this because I called you a fanboi. I got you dead to rights you sad, sad little boy. Don't go any further if you know what's good for you.

Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  Salvatoris

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10/04/06 6:35:38 PM#49

I don't understand all the hate directed at this game. I understand that it is a buggy hunk of crap, built by 4 or 5 dudes... but is it really any worse than the other buggy pieces of crap built by 5 dudes?  I am certainly not defending it, and wouldn't pay one red cent to play it... but is it really that much worse than Roma Victor or Seed?

I  mean, it did get the lowest score ever from this site... how exactly do you get from that to saying the review was soft?

  User Deleted
10/04/06 6:36:41 PM#50


Originally posted by bigoberly


Originally posted by Ivannatinkle That brings up an interesting, and valid, point. Which other games are AD involved with?


          Not sure on that. I will look it up and post here.
          All Codemasters games.


What you two are insinuating has nothing to do with Business and the Principles of Success.
What happened in the past does not dictate what WILL for a fact happen in the future.

You can walk right? You can read. You can speak? Those skills didnt come about instantaneously and perfectly. You made mistakes but you kept on going.

What does determine AD's success, is how they respond to this hurtle on the way to there goal. Obviously there goal is to make the best game possible. Will they learn from there mistakes? Will they better themselves from this setback or let it haunt there future? Thats all that truly matters. Somehow, I doubt any of you are privy to any of that information.

  tepthtanis

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The key word in any game is "Fun!"

10/04/06 7:00:09 PM#51

To the last two on here. It has nothing to do with gameplay. It has everything to do with past mistakes...

If you make a mistake and insult someone as a businessman/woman do you not apologize? It is simply good business to do so to a good customer.

Farlan/npcube/AD all had a hand in insulting the intelligence and integrity of their fanbase. Did they apologize? No! Did they make up for it in any way? No!

I agree with Iogangregor in that it all depends on what they do now. But are these companies willing to bite the bullet and admit to their shortcomings? I doubt it. They've shown no integrity so far...

Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  tepthtanis

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The key word in any game is "Fun!"

10/04/06 7:58:16 PM#52
On a side note to everyone. I still haven't gotten rid of that DnL virus that was released during the summer by DnL. I still get ghosts of DnL on my comp. DnL folders popping up every now and then even though I've tried to erase every aspect of DnL from my computer. How do I get rid of it without having to rollback my system??? Anybody? 

Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  User Deleted
10/04/06 8:45:24 PM#53


Originally posted by tepthtanis
To the last two on here. It has nothing to do with gameplay. It has everything to do with past mistakes...
If you make a mistake and insult someone as a businessman/woman do you not apoogize? It is simply good business to do so to a good customer.
Farlan/npcube/AD all had a hand in insulting the intelligence and integrity of their fanbase. Did they apologize? No! Did they make up for it in any way? No!
I agree with Iogangregor in that it all depends on what they do now. But are these companies willing to bite the bullet and admit to their shortcomings? I doubt it. They've shown no integrity so far...

Maybe Im mistaken but isnt AD the company that posted on the Forums and said that they were taking on the game in its present state and were trying to fix it-- make a good game etc? Isnt that the company thats trying to Make the game that everyone wants?


  tepthtanis

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The key word in any game is "Fun!"

10/04/06 9:07:45 PM#54

Originally posted by logangregor

Maybe Im mistaken but isnt AD the company that posted on the Forums and said that they were taking on the game in its present state and were trying to fix it-- make a good game etc? Isnt that the company thats trying to Make the game that everyone wants?




Sorry, but no. Ad/Alchemic dreams is a company out of Canada that performs moderation/Gm duties among other things for other companies. Npcube is the company with the DnL dream and the developers and Farlan are the folks with the money.

But you know, I haven't seen the forums for awhile. Maybe AD bought the game out from under Farlan... Stranger things have happened!

Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  User Deleted
10/04/06 9:32:44 PM#55


Originally posted by tepthtanis


Originally posted by logangregor

Maybe Im mistaken but isnt AD the company that posted on the Forums and said that they were taking on the game in its present state and were trying to fix it-- make a good game etc? Isnt that the company thats trying to Make the game that everyone wants?



Sorry, but no. Ad/Alchemic dreams is a company out of Canada that performs moderation/Gm duties among other things for other companies. Npcube is the company with the DnL dream and the developers and Farlan are the folks with the money.
But you know, I haven't seen the forums for awhile. Maybe AD bought the game out from under Farlan... Stranger things have happened!

Hmmm my bad. I swear I remember some Big Wig Dev come on the General Forums of MMORPG and say how they purchased DnL and were fixing the game etc and they were going to make the game great....and most peoples quotes were "good luck with that, you have alot of very angry fans".....and he got flamed from a few VERY upset ex customers.

Does that Ring any bells???

If anyone knows what Im talking about PLEASE TELL ME lol. It has to be DnL that happened with....unless there is some other game released in the last 4 months that everyone had such a problem with.

Im getting the strong suspicion that I put my two cents in .....but got the games mixed up.
THERES TOO MANY MMOS!!

  User Deleted
10/04/06 9:47:08 PM#56

Originally posted by logangregor


Originally posted by tepthtanis


Originally posted by logangregor

Maybe Im mistaken but isnt AD the company that posted on the Forums and said that they were taking on the game in its present state and were trying to fix it-- make a good game etc? Isnt that the company thats trying to Make the game that everyone wants?



Sorry, but no. Ad/Alchemic dreams is a company out of Canada that performs moderation/Gm duties among other things for other companies. Npcube is the company with the DnL dream and the developers and Farlan are the folks with the money.
But you know, I haven't seen the forums for awhile. Maybe AD bought the game out from under Farlan... Stranger things have happened!

Hmmm my bad. I swear I remember some Big Wig Dev come on the General Forums of MMORPG and say how they purchased DnL and were fixing the game etc and they were going to make the game great....and most peoples quotes were "good luck with that, you have alot of very angry fans".....and he got flamed from a few VERY upset ex customers.

Does that Ring any bells???

If anyone knows what Im talking about PLEASE TELL ME lol. It has to be DnL that happened with....unless there is some other game released in the last 4 months that everyone had such a problem with.

Im getting the strong suspicion that I put my two cents in .....but got the games mixed up.
THERES TOO MANY MMOS!!


That was LoudAssSoftware talking about how they bought Mourning and were now calling it Thrones of Chaos. They were flamed because most people can see right through their little name change charade, since it's not the first time they tried that tactic with that particular game.
  jackilojohn

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10/04/06 10:34:05 PM#57
I am with the guy at the top of this page. I don't see why this game gets so much hate. I believe another person was dead on about the fanbase though. I believe alot of SWGers were betting on this one. I know a large guild from SWG that was planning on taking DnL over but of course there is nothing to be taken lol.

 Back to my point. Yes, the game is bad. Yes, there is basically nothing to do besides kill stuff, Yes, it's broken and has all kinds of problems. Yes, the company has no customer support. Yes, all of those bad things are true but.....it still isn't the worst game on the mmorpg list...actually it is no where near the worst game so I believe some people need to calm down about it.

 What really happened with this game,what I believe anyhow, is that a small company bit off more than they could chew. It had some wonderful ideas but that was about as far as it got "idea stage 1" The huge one world server is amazing. No matter what anyone says to me this was a kickass idea. The ideas behind sieges and player built cities....agian good stuff. Yea, the combat sucked, the animations sucked, the graphics weren't up to today's standards but....the ideas were great. So, a small company with some good ideas screwed up their big chance and now everyone is against them. I am actually going to go completely against that and say to the devs, atleast you tried. Atleast, it wasn't another damn EQ clone. Atleast, it wasn't the retardedness that WoW is. BTW yes WoW is a very well made game and it's perfect in everyway, unless you are actually looking for some substance in your mmorpg......grind grind grind  get l33t l00t badass more l00t  oh got to have it l0ot l00t l00t ;) Anyone, with a brain will know exactly what I mean. There are other games that have good ideas but who knows if they will deliver either "darkfall" Anyway, yea, I say lay off these guys because it's not that big of a deal if you happened to give them your money and now your mad about it. If you read anything on the forums about SoG and still bought it then shame on you.
  treysmooth

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/25/06
Posts: 639

10/04/06 10:44:50 PM#58
People hate  farland for their shady business practices.  They would ban your account but continue to bill you.  You couldn't log in to cancel and they turned a deaf ear to emails and many went as far as having to tell the credit card company of it and stopping payment that way.  From what I understand farland bordered on criminal if not criminal  which is where the disdain comes from from the average player.  Shady practices get you nothing in an industry thats based around respect for the customer, just look at how Sony is viewed after the NGE fiasco.
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10/05/06 12:17:14 AM#59

Originally posted by jackilojohn
I am with the guy at the top of this page. I don't see why this game gets so much hate. I believe another person was dead on about the fanbase though. I believe alot of SWGers were betting on this one. I know a large guild from SWG that was planning on taking DnL over but of course there is nothing to be taken lol.

 Back to my point. Yes, the game is bad. Yes, there is basically nothing to do besides kill stuff, Yes, it's broken and has all kinds of problems. Yes, the company has no customer support. Yes, all of those bad things are true but.....it still isn't the worst game on the mmorpg list...actually it is no where near the worst game so I believe some people need to calm down about it.

 What really happened with this game,what I believe anyhow, is that a small company bit off more than they could chew. It had some wonderful ideas but that was about as far as it got "idea stage 1" The huge one world server is amazing. No matter what anyone says to me this was a kickass idea. The ideas behind sieges and player built cities....agian good stuff. Yea, the combat sucked, the animations sucked, the graphics weren't up to today's standards but....the ideas were great. So, a small company with some good ideas screwed up their big chance and now everyone is against them. I am actually going to go completely against that and say to the devs, atleast you tried. Atleast, it wasn't another damn EQ clone. Atleast, it wasn't the retardedness that WoW is. BTW yes WoW is a very well made game and it's perfect in everyway, unless you are actually looking for some substance in your mmorpg......grind grind grind  get l33t l00t badass more l00t  oh got to have it l0ot l00t l00t ;) Anyone, with a brain will know exactly what I mean. There are other games that have good ideas but who knows if they will deliver either "darkfall" Anyway, yea, I say lay off these guys because it's not that big of a deal if you happened to give them your money and now your mad about it. If you read anything on the forums about SoG and still bought it then shame on you.

Please, the only thing these "devs" tried to do is fleece as many people as they could as fast as they could. The reason the game has so many bugs, for one, is that the guy that created the game engine got the hell out and their "developers" couldn't code a TRS80. They are also trying to claim credit for that game/graphic engine as their own when it's not. They deliberately lied to everyone they came into contact with: customers, gamesites, reviewers,etc. They tried to lay all the blame for their failing on the customers first and investors second. And this "small time" operation had more than enough financial backing to succeed at creating a game if that's what they really wanted to do. Apparently, they didn't.

All I can say, is you are entitled to your opinion. But in light of all the things Farlan and company did, the callous disregard/disdain they showed for their customers, their unapologetic and holier-than-thou/elitist attitude when confronted with the facts, I am going to have to say your opinion is dead wrong. And you'll find that most here will agree. Oh, and they got no money from me. That has nothing to do with why I post here. I am here because I want to see them gone, along with Mourning/Thrones of Chaos and any other so-called "developers" that think they can just screw people around and not be held accountable. It's asshats like these that ruin true developers chances to create something unique and non-cookie cutter, because people get to where they can't trust anyone and won't take chances with "the little guys".
  Razorback

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Joined: 3/05/04
Posts: 5266

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

10/05/06 12:42:17 AM#60

Originally posted by tepthtanis
On a side note to everyone. I still haven't gotten rid of that DnL virus that was released during the summer by DnL. I still get ghosts of DnL on my comp. DnL folders popping up every now and then even though I've tried to erase every aspect of DnL from my computer. How do I get rid of it without having to rollback my system??? Anybody? 
Have you tried using a good registry cleaner ?

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