While I feel that mmorpg.com was overly generous, I also realise that I'm a jaded customer of DnL and mmorpg.com is a business like any other and I don't blame them for not stepping on anyones toes.(too hard!) I don't agree with some points of course but I can't feel bad about the overall review.

PS... And Mr.Bloodworth! You are a big loose fanboi that's second only to Ztyx,weg and puure or whatever. I remember you...but I won't say anything bad about you because everyone deserves an opinion. But if you can't be objective and list the flaws as well as the pluses of the last patch then don't say anything at all.

Indira! I'm your #1 fan!

PS...Lepidus, why do you have a dead/newborn monkey as your avatar? I associate monkeys with DnL devs...LOL!

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Originally posted by nightbird305

There are things in that review that made me want to try the game. But i played the engine they sent out..lets just say the sky had more lines and colours then a rainbow.

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I have done the Tour and from what i have seen the engine is pretty good and have not really notice the thing about the sky having so much colour, for me the sky was on of the things that truly looked realistic, especialy when i took the flight with the Dragon and we moved thru clouds wich was a nice effect, but other then that i fully agree with the topic post, i also stated on their website they should have waited before release and make the game complete,i also am of mind that the game could have been beter in its current state if advertising of the game was done in honosty instead of kinda lying to the public about it. The way it was advertised made us gamers have high hopes wich resulted in disappointments.

I still believe the game has potentiol but not in its current state.....

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Originally posted by Ivannatinkle
That brings up an interesting, and valid, point. Which other games are AD involved with?

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          Not sure on that. I will look it up and post here.

          All Codemasters games.

Well I applied to this beta ages ago and never got in. Thats no problem I was still quite interested in it anyway.

Howvere I have had several attempts to buy the game key via there website to no avail. They use what seems to me to be a silly way of purchasing.

Didnt matter what I did I always got an error on completeing the transaction. Click and Buy would add me as an active subscriber, but I never received a key.

When I mailed them about this all I was told is that I wont be able to play the game til I purchase a key ....doh...

Then they pointed me to the website to buy and do all the same stuff again !

So I have given up this idea and by the sound of the review, maybe thats a good thing

I think the review perfectly shows why not to subscribe to this game. With that said the World-engine is always worth the deal to visit (for some exploration) if you haven't yet. Had this been a serious development team this game could have been a hit but they got in way over their heads.

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Originally posted by Sheista
Last I heard, AD was backing out of GMing for the game due to the negative light it was shedding on them.  Not sure if there is any substance to this rumor, but I read something about it.

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Originally posted by Supergohan
it breaks my heart to see the game still hasnt changed that much from the early beta.i agree with every point given, except the support. cause that should be a - number. if you want support you gonna have to go to the players themself.

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Isn't that the truth...started with SoG....where I along with several others volunteered to help with support of SoG (remember DSH in IRC chat?)...little did we realise we were really the only support that game offered...when we left, support was just no longer there. I know we weren't liked by part of the community...but we helped a great number of people get into and try the game. Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered...would have caused the downfall of this game a lot quicker..

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Originally posted by indiramourn

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Seems this review was done before the last patch. They removed the 25 FPS cap.

The Multi-threading realy does improve things alot also.

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The latest patch did a lot more damage than it did good.  Isn't that obvious?  Or have you been avoiding the official forums?  The only reason the DnL servers are still up at all are for the few suckers who are tricked into buying the game (which is the soul purpose of the recently released "demo") and to beta test patches on a hold-on group of masochistic diehards who--like yourself--refuse to see the writing on the wall. 

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Sorry, not a fan boy.

I haven’t had the issues with the patch others have had. And the dual core updates did do allot for performance...and i have two types of comps, Multithreaded and dual core.

I don’t speak about what I don’t experience. I have read the forums. I bought the game after launch, and im a freedom pass subscriber. I pay no monthly fee. Don’t be mad at me because I didn’t believe the hype and played it smart when entering the game. And like I have said before, I’m a fan of the TECH not the game. I only log in when they patch...and even then not for very long. And like i said, i can log in any time they patch...for free basically, no subscription. So, like I said, stop hating me because I was smarter than you and didn’t get screwed by a blatantly incompetent company.

I’m sorry your mom is upset about the charges you cant cancel on her CC.

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I only log in when they patch...and even then not for very long.

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

PS: Tepthtanis, your a moron.

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Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.

Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?

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Originally posted by tepthtanis

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

PS: Tepthtanis, your a moron.

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Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.

Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?

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Every part of that post is a lie. Please post a link to where i said "I love DnL, nothing is wrong, its the best game ever". Because you are thinking of WEG.

I called you a moron because of your post, and postings. You have no idea what you are talking about, and decided to insult me.

My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)

I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.

Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did =)

Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.

Please prove me wrong.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)

I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.

Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did =)

Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.

But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.

Please prove me wrong.

Thanks.

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So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?

They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.

I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"

So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...

Prove me wrong.

Have a nice day.

I was thinking about applying for a position at my work (sideways move) recently and one of the things required was "marketing skills" and preferably a degree or diploma in marketing.

I consider myself at 40y/o and having been an admin and training professional for the last 10 years, to have a solid grasp of marketing concepts, though I have no formal qualifications. I applied anyway and the selection process is still going. So why am I telling you this here ?

Because marketing is like drinking a glass of milk. Anyone with 1/10th of a brain and at least one working limb can do it. Having to go to University to study marketing is like having to go to a technical school to study wiping your butt for mine. Its just not neccessary.

However the MMORPG industry seems to be swamped, nay infested, with people who occupy marketing positions but seem to have no concept whatsoever of how to successfully market a product. My personal view is that its because they all went to Uni and studied it. They all learned the same tired 19th century marketing strategies from their ageging professors and they have not noticed that the world (particularly gaming) has become far more savvy to these basic advertising techniquies.

The absoloute most basic tennant of successful product or service promotion is "under promise and over deliver"

The exact opposite of the system used to market MMORPG's

So.... no surprises here with DnL.

Nice review

This is the review that took so long to release? Uh... OK. Kind of un-inspired, no?

Was there something else going on here? I mean so much could have been done with a review about this game and this was just kinda.."yeah game sucks, everyone is leaving, bye".

Just curious.