Gameloading
    Let me begin with , saying you dont follow law much. There have been hundreds of cases of false advistering involving what is printed or said in the media. DAOC use to have a quote about the number of classes in that , until a fan brought it up.
     I ve spoken with people who are as high as 41 and 43 , they have no seen any no content but the grind. The quests arent 2500 , they are 45 each side with steps , which is very misleading.

    Because its beta. false and outright lies? like what?

           They pulled the review and made it hidden. But it was CNet that pointed it out from the Korean and US version.
     Have you also notice that companies like Cnet.net have pulled the Archlord game from its shelves?

     I believe Zeno as far I can throw him... I got lvl 36 Destoryer , lvl 30 Summoner , Lvl 30 Driver , and spend 5 days on RFonline servers. There is little to no activity on most servers... the only one with a spark of life .. is Spirit Cora side.
     Earth , Fire , and Wind are all ghost towns , use to be lively chat and people asking for groups and general spam. Its very quiet on Wind , and very empty.

   Ok found it >>>

       ", but we're told that story-driven quest chains and even player-versus-player quests will be quite common"

      This is from the quests .. we got a lvl 41 , checking .. no pvp quests , nor story driven chains.. Been doing quests on every character since 1 to 27 , no where have there been story driven quests or pvp quests. The lvl 41 has done all the Moonelf quests up to Der and none have open up , non involve pvp or story driven.

     "weather will be in the game"

        I have not seen any weather .. nor has anyone I spoken with.

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        Couple more things but I m not gonna bother with going though the whole list.  Because you ll go "Its beta."

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Originally posted by Azure77

Gameloading
    Let me begin with , saying you dont follow law much. There have been hundreds of cases of false advistering involving what is printed or said in the media. DAOC use to have a quote about the number of classes in that , until a fan brought it up.
     I ve spoken with people who are as high as 41 and 43 , they have no seen any no content but the grind. The
quests arent 2500 , they are 45 each side with steps , which is very misleading.

Its hardly misleading. a new "step" is considered a new quest, and there is hardly anything misleading about it.

    Because its beta. false and outright lies? like what?

           They pulled the review and made it hidden. But it was CNet that pointed it out from the Korean and US version.
     Have you also notice that companies like Cnet.net have pulled the Archlord game from its shelves?

No, I did not know Cnet has pulled AL from the shelves, but what review exactly are you talking about?And t he game is in beta, wouldn't it be a preview?

     I believe Zeno as far I can throw him... I got lvl 36 Destoryer , lvl 30 Summoner , Lvl 30 Driver , and spend 5 days on RFonline servers. There is little to no activity on most servers... the only one with a spark of life .. is Spirit Cora side.
     Earth , Fire , and Wind are all ghost towns , use to be lively chat and people asking for groups and general spam. Its very quiet on Wind , and very empty.

I was playing on spirit 1 month ago, and unless the player base was cut in half, then the spirit server is still VERY active.

   Ok found it >>>

       ", but we're told that story-driven quest chains and even player-versus-player quests will be quite common"

      This is from the quests .. we got a lvl 41 , checking .. no pvp quests , nor story driven chains.. Been doing quests on every character since 1 to 27 , no where have there been story driven quests or pvp quests. The lvl 41 has done all the Moonelf quests up to Der and none have open up , non involve pvp or story driven.

Although I can't confirm it, I think PVP quests will come avaible at a higher level. I'll ask CM about it, so I'll have an answer for you soon. one pvp quest has already been implanted, and thats the AL quest. many quests actually are story driven, there just isn't a main story. many players just prefer to skip trough the quest text.

     "weather will be in the game"

        I have not seen any weather .. nor has anyone I spoken with.

Keyword.

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        Couple more things but I m not gonna bother with going though the whole list.  Because you ll go "Its beta."

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   Talking to a Korean website , they said that quests , only 2 so far as he knows open up at 60...

    So from 25 to 60 = grindfest O.o

    Cnet.net has people in Open Beta , they had a review of Archlord , its archive now , only impossible to find. Just after they pulled Archlord from there shelves , they removed the review and put a Gamespot review (preview?/Ad). The guy / girl who did the review listed everything up to lvl 35 , flaws , bugs and such , it was written around Sept 6 or 7.

      When you buy a game and see on the package "2500 quests" you are mislead to believe there are in fact 2500 , no matter which class/race you pick from. Canada has a law about this , Blizzard uses this in its Ads in the US but not in Canada because it punishable. (I had a NDA with Sir-Tech Canada... crash course in Canadian law and US law).

         This isnt the first time Codemasters has hand a in making thier games seem more than they are. In 80s , quotes on thier games came from within the company but were attributed to review magz and suck. The quotes came from founders , and CEOs.

      There is a record of complaint against Codemasters use of Ads dating back to 1987 or so. (You can look them on law history websites and developers sites.) There was even a Scottland based game/company/individual that were so upset with CM that they called them out.

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Originally posted by Azure77

   Talking to a Korean website , they said that quests , only 2 so far as he knows open up at 60...

    So from 25 to 60 = grindfest O.o

    Cnet.net has people in Open Beta , they had a review of Archlord , its archive now , only impossible to find. Just after they pulled Archlord from there shelves , they removed the review and put a Gamespot review (preview?/Ad). The guy / girl who did the review listed everything up to lvl 35 , flaws , bugs and such , it was written around Sept 6 or 7.

The fact that Cnet.net writes a review when a game still is in Beta is saying something about Cnet.net. its simply rediculous. as you can see, the review would have already been outdated because it was written too soon

      When you buy a game and see on the package "2500 quests" you are mislead to believe there are in fact 2500 , no matter which class/race you pick from. Canada has a law about this , Blizzard uses this in its Ads in the US but not in Canada because it punishable. (I had a NDA with Sir-Tech Canada... crash course in Canadian law and US law).

You can't sue them for that, simple as that. They advertise that 2500 quests are there. not once did it say that you can do then with only one character.

         This isnt the first time Codemasters has hand a in making thier games seem more than they are. In 80s , quotes on thier games came from within the company but were attributed to review magz and suck. The quotes came from founders , and CEOs.

      There is a record of complaint against Codemasters use of Ads dating back to 1987 or so. (You can look them on law history websites and developers sites.) There was even a Scottland based game/company/individual that were so upset with CM that they called them out.

    

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You can't sue them for that, simple as that. They advertise that 2500 quests are there. not once did it say that you can do then with only one character.

  Depends on the law of the country. In the US they are golden , only read basic law for England and Euro , but in Canada they could e fined or punished for this ad or if they put it on there box. You would have to file a complaint , then take it to civil court , if it didnt change.

    In Canada you could  file a complaint with thier Justice Department , and then it would go from there. Blizzard , Mythic and SOE have all had this done. SOE is in the process in Canada of defending it self from the SWG deal that happen a while back.

    Some countries are more up to date with thier internet law then others. For example in the US , internet crimes are still filed under Mail Fruad...

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Originally posted by Azure77

You can't sue them for that, simple as that. They advertise that 2500 quests are there. not once did it say that you can do then with only one character.

  Depends on the law of the country. In the US they are golden , only read basic law for England and Euro , but in Canada they could e fined or punished for this ad or if they put it on there box. You would have to file a complaint , then take it to civil court , if it didnt change.

    In Canada you could  file a complaint with thier Justice Department , and then it would go from there. Blizzard , Mythic and SOE have all had this done. SOE is in the process in Canada of defending it self from the SWG deal that happen a while back.

    Some countries are more up to date with thier internet law then others. For example in the US , internet crimes are still filed under Mail Fruad...

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by Azure77

You can't sue them for that, simple as that. They advertise that 2500 quests are there. not once did it say that you can do then with only one character.

  Depends on the law of the country. In the US they are golden , only read basic law for England and Euro , but in Canada they could e fined or punished for this ad or if they put it on there box. You would have to file a complaint , then take it to civil court , if it didnt change.

    In Canada you could  file a complaint with thier Justice Department , and then it would go from there. Blizzard , Mythic and SOE have all had this done. SOE is in the process in Canada of defending it self from the SWG deal that happen a while back.

    Some countries are more up to date with thier internet law then others. For example in the US , internet crimes are still filed under Mail Fruad...

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so, lets get this right.

IF a game advertised an mmorpg has 2500 quests, but you can't do them all with one character, its a scam? that is rediculous!

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   Deceptive Ads are punished in Canada ... WoW had to change their ad of 7 million users to show proof that they had 7 million subscribers , not 7 million boxes sold or 7 million users over a certain period of time.

     Deceptive Ads have been pulled by SOE , to some games offering free time and PVP tourments from Korean companies. In the deal with some publishers fines and restrictions have been made.

     Game publishers in the US are becoming more libial (spelling) for game content , ads and other things.

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by Azure77

You can't sue them for that, simple as that. They advertise that 2500 quests are there. not once did it say that you can do then with only one character.

  Depends on the law of the country. In the US they are golden , only read basic law for England and Euro , but in Canada they could e fined or punished for this ad or if they put it on there box. You would have to file a complaint , then take it to civil court , if it didnt change.

    In Canada you could  file a complaint with thier Justice Department , and then it would go from there. Blizzard , Mythic and SOE have all had this done. SOE is in the process in Canada of defending it self from the SWG deal that happen a while back.

    Some countries are more up to date with thier internet law then others. For example in the US , internet crimes are still filed under Mail Fruad...

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so, lets get this right.

IF a game advertised an mmorpg has 2500 quests, but you can't do them all with one character, its a scam? that is rediculous!

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   Deceptive Ads are punished in Canada ... WoW had to change their ad of 7 million users to show proof that they had 7 million subscribers , not 7 million boxes sold or 7 million users over a certain period of time.

     Deceptive Ads have been pulled by SOE , to some games offering free time and PVP tourments from Korean companies. In the deal with some publishers fines and restrictions have been made.

     Game publishers in the US are becoming more libial (spelling) for game content , ads and other things.

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Gameloading, if you truely are a representative of CodeMasters in way of a forum moderator, you have done more harm then good in this one thread.

I admit that some of the members of this board can be combative, but at the same time you've given in and gone overboard with your commentary, even to the point of nearly attacking other members.  There are more tactful ways to prove points then critisizing a critic.  If you wanted examples, I could reword almost every post you have made in this thread, but then what would be the point, I'm sure you'll respond to this post like the others.

Point for the beta, and what is beta closed vs open, they are both beta argument.

The difference between closed and open, is that Open Beta, even though still in beta, is considered by most every gaming company out there to be an open preview to the game.  Now everyone enters the open beta with the expectation of minor bugs, maybe a major bug but normally in a very untested section of the game (normally high end content), but in the end, the open beta is a showcase of what people can expect once the game goes live.  Even at this point, most people expect to hear that there are issues right up until release, but in the last 2 weeks before release, patches normally do not impact major areas such as XP (Leveling), Gold (Economy), and Potions (Combat).  Unfortunately leveling, economy, and combat are the three areas that you never want to modify to any great degree as these become the foundation of each MMO on the market.  In one patch, people got understandably upset as the fundemental areas where changed.  Further to this, the dev's admitted the fault and wanted to fix this issue with the potions, well that was all well and good, execpt that the patch isn't released yet, and if it is, I personally am still ripping through potions like a bad habbit.

Admittingly I know myself that there doesn't seem to be many critical bugs that I personally have been able to find, but searching through the forums at Archlord, you can find examples of a few.  I haven't played far enough into the game as I am a casual player, and have not seen much outside the area surrounding the starting city.

What I have seen in my short time is that this game does not at all accomidate casual gamers.  Casual gamers defined would generally be someone who plays less then 8 hours in a 7 day stretch.  Yes I know there is a system in place to assist with that, but at paying nearly double the monthly fee, the math doesn't work out.  The reason I say this is that with paying the higher amount, by going at my current rate, it would take me close to 2 to 3 years to make it to level 100.  Obviously from time to time a casual gamer may be able to put in more time, but generally it stays pretty even.  Further to this, the same system to "assist" casual gamers also speeds up the hardcore gamers end game.  With this then the extra payments probably won't substantially increase anything as the Dev's don't want people flying from 1 to 100 in the first month, and conversly, the casual gamer suffers yet again.  Now its definately not the dev's fault that casual gamers are just that, but there are systems in place that can help casual gamers compete and even succeed in online games.  Unfortunately CM's approach is flawed from design.  For an example of a better system for casual gamers, look at DAoC, WoW, and I'm sure a few others have very nice systems.

If you don't know these systems which are common knowledge to everyone who plays these MMO's, I'd suggest possibly start reading up as this can make or break selling 100% or 200% or your product.

Direct comments to your posts here:

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so, lets get this right.

IF a game advertised an mmorpg has 2500 quests, but you can't do them all with one character, its a scam? that is rediculous!

Your not a lawyer, and even if you where, the correct statement back by any representitive of any organization is, here's the email/phone number where you can direct this concern.  Saying a law in a different country other then your own is rediculous does not make the law any less substantial or applicable to the product.

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You were already whining about the PlayPLUS system a few days after beta started. it would have been impossible for you to have reached lvl 28 when you started whining. you mentioned you started in AL Open beta. you already started whining way before that.

Nice try though.

You wanted an example of an unprofessional response by you.

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I will Lose an arguement when the "opponent" has brough up valid points.

Since none of the haters, like yourself, have made up valid points, I'm not really losing

So far, 3 Archlord haters don't like me because I tell them to actually play the game first.

Boo hoo, I'll go pack my bags now.

hey, what a coincidence! 3 people dislike me, thats the same number of times you have been banned on this forum for rude language and immature behavior!!

and I also fixed your post, no, don't worry, you don't have to thank me.

And another.  There are many different ways this could have been handled, this would have been the wrong way.

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Nah, DnL was a scam. Archlord is a quality title. but its simply not for everybody.

Also, Archlord isn't even half as broken as DnL.

And another.  Slamming other products in favor of your own is highly unprofessional.

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My points are valid because I actually play the game.

I have said this before, and I will say it again. Archlord is NOT for everyone. its for people intrested in PVP and especialy clan politics. THATS who the game is for. comments like "nothing but mindless grinds" only proves that the person does not play the game the way it was designed to be played.

Your points may be valid, but you just stated that many MMO'ers out there will probably not like this game.  Fair enough, nothing is for everyone.  However, you cannot level threw clan politics, so this is not a feature more of a inherent issue you should expect playing the game.  If there is a certain way to play the game, should this not be spelled out in a handy dandy manual stating: game expectations, examples of gameplay, who the game is tailored to, why you should consider or not consider the game, what constitutes actions where xp is involved, etc etc etc.

Admittingly I have not read every last page of the manual, or the knowledgebase, but I suppose this could be in there.

If you wonder how this would do any good?  Well it would help moderators in the forums (point to faq/manual page) for most answers.  Would help new players decide if they want to play.  Would assist with many aspects that currently get argued over constantly.

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I see we have a diffrent concept when we talk about Critical. What I understood under critical errors are errors that take a long time to fix, none of those should take a long time to fix. the chat exploit has been fixed, so are the textures. I personally don't have any crashses since I downloaded the latest Nvidia geforce patch (I did before)  did you try updating your drivers?

This post and everything in it was a very professional response, although your information is inaccurate unfortunately.  Red Moth's still have no textures, as are a few others I can't remember the names for, which was after the last patch.  The chat exploit still happens from what I've seen so far.  There are many reports of crashes on the forums, and many people who I know that play the game get CTD's or Blue screens from time to time.  When submitting reports to support, they have not been much help.  Further to this, there is no error handler on the login other then "Can't connect to login server".  Which apparently covers everything from connection issues, login server actually being down, to wrong user/pass.

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Maybe that is your way of testing, but not CM's way. if it happens at Closed beta or open beta, as long as the end result is good at retail, then does it really matter when it gets implanted?

The sad part about CM's mentality, if this is truely the way they do things, is that it impede's making sales from go.  With an open beta, if people do not feel confident in the game before release, then they simply won't buy it.  Less sales, less people, will equal a game that goes nowhere and will be shut down in 12-18 months from release unless something major happens soon.  It's happened to many games in the past, and it's unfortuantely that they have not learned from the mistakes of others.

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Why would it be okay in Closed beta but not in open beta? Both are still in beta.

Well, the reason why things are ok in Closed beta, but not Open Beta, is that in Closed beta, you have a controlled environment where you can test any number of things on the fly, during specified times, and with the right people.  In open beta, it is more to show off what has been done, and work out any bugs that where not considered or did not show any major issues in closed beta.  Now given the amount of bugs, and minor ones at that, just with textures for example, and the chat bug, those should have been found long before opening the floodgates.  In defence of that, you can only do so much with the experience of the people doing the closed beta, so in hindsight, somethings just may have not been mentioned.  Yet again, those review/previews that you where getting upset about look at these things and offer a glimpse at what the game has to offer both good and bad.

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Nerfing the XP doesn't have anything to do with it being a PK game or not. If your playing this game with the only idea in mind to improve your character every second your playing, then AL is not the game for you.

With 100 levels ahead of you, why wouldn't you want to improve your character.  By that statement alone I'm guessing everyone should be level 1?  XP allows you to get to the end game, in the pursuit of XP you get armor and equipment which thus also improve your chances of surviving to the end game, money allows influence with other characters in providing bribes and donations and loans, also the equipment you get from gaining said XP can be used in the same fashion.  So judging by what you have stated before saying this is a political game, then why no XP for politics?  So if improving your character is not supposed to be part of the game, then what is there?  Just wondering as you seem to be eluding to something else.

Also just wanted to add, this is not intended as a complete flame as more of an observation.  I will not be checking back for replies or responding to anything past this point, so feel free to comment, but again, I simply don't check these that often, just happened that this thread caught my eye and I felt I had to comment on a few things.

-2cents

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Originally posted by sabbok

Gameloading, if you truely are a representative of CodeMasters in way of a forum moderator, you have done more harm then good in this one thread.

I do not reprent Codemasters on this forum. I do not work for them. if Archlord becomes a success or a failure is none of my bussiness. If I would represent Codemasters, then my nickname would have been Ziant (which is the nickname of my Codemasters forum moderator account)

I admit that some of the members of this board can be combative, but at the same time you've given in and gone overboard with your commentary, even to the point of nearly attacking other members.  There are more tactful ways to prove points then critisizing a critic.  If you wanted examples, I could reword almost every post you have made in this thread, but then what would be the point, I'm sure you'll respond to this post like the others.

Correct, I will respond to this post.

I will fully admit that my posts may seem agressive, but I don't "attack" someone unless truly deserved.

Point for the beta, and what is beta closed vs open, they are both beta argument.

The difference between closed and open, is that Open Beta, even though still in beta, is considered by most every gaming company out there to be an open preview to the game.  Now everyone enters the open beta with the expectation of minor bugs, maybe a major bug but normally in a very untested section of the game (normally high end content), but in the end, the open beta is a showcase of what people can expect once the game goes live.  Even at this point, most people expect to hear that there are issues right up until release, but in the last 2 weeks before release, patches normally do not impact major areas such as XP (Leveling), Gold (Economy), and Potions (Combat).  Unfortunately leveling, economy, and combat are the three areas that you never want to modify to any great degree as these become the foundation of each MMO on the market.  In one patch, people got understandably upset as the fundemental areas where changed.  Further to this, the dev's admitted the fault and wanted to fix this issue with the potions, well that was all well and good, execpt that the patch isn't released yet, and if it is, I personally am still ripping through potions like a bad habbit.

You will never hear me say that the way CM is doing things right now is the standard way, or even that it is the right way. but as long as it is BETA, then they have, IMO, the full right to change the game as they see fit. it is the end result that counts, and that is when beta is over. when beta is over, THEN people can complain about major and game breaking bugs, or when a game gets turned a 180 degree. but open beta or closed beta, its still beta, and changes, big and small, should be expected.

Admittingly I know myself that there doesn't seem to be many critical bugs that I personally have been able to find, but searching through the forums at Archlord, you can find examples of a few.  I haven't played far enough into the game as I am a casual player, and have not seen much outside the area surrounding the starting city.

What I have seen in my short time is that this game does not at all accomidate casual gamers.  Casual gamers defined would generally be someone who plays less then 8 hours in a 7 day stretch.  Yes I know there is a system in place to assist with that, but at paying nearly double the monthly fee, the math doesn't work out.  The reason I say this is that with paying the higher amount, by going at my current rate, it would take me close to 2 to 3 years to make it to level 100.  Obviously from time to time a casual gamer may be able to put in more time, but generally it stays pretty even.  Further to this, the same system to "assist" casual gamers also speeds up the hardcore gamers end game.  With this then the extra payments probably won't substantially increase anything as the Dev's don't want people flying from 1 to 100 in the first month, and conversly, the casual gamer suffers yet again.  Now its definately not the dev's fault that casual gamers are just that, but there are systems in place that can help casual gamers compete and even succeed in online games.  Unfortunately CM's approach is flawed from design.  For an example of a better system for casual gamers, look at DAoC, WoW, and I'm sure a few others have very nice systems.

If you don't know these systems which are common knowledge to everyone who plays these MMO's, I'd suggest possibly start reading up as this can make or break selling 100% or 200% or your product.

Direct comments to your posts here:

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so, lets get this right.

IF a game advertised an mmorpg has 2500 quests, but you can't do them all with one character, its a scam? that is rediculous!

Your not a lawyer, and even if you where, the correct statement back by any representitive of any organization is, here's the email/phone number where you can direct this concern.  Saying a law in a different country other then your own is rediculous does not make the law any less substantial or applicable to the product.

So because I am not a lawyer I have no right to have an opinion on a certain law? I don't "Need" to back things like that up. its simply not important enough. I have serious doubt that this is truly something that CM could get sue'd for, both in my country and Canada. there is no lie in the advertisement.

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You were already whining about the PlayPLUS system a few days after beta started. it would have been impossible for you to have reached lvl 28 when you started whining. you mentioned you started in AL Open beta. you already started whining way before that.

Nice try though.

You wanted an example of an unprofessional response by you.

Why would I need to act professional on mmorpg.com? Like I said, I do not represent CM. I act professional (or at least I try to) on the official Archlord forums, not mmorpg.com.

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I will Lose an arguement when the "opponent" has brough up valid points.

Since none of the haters, like yourself, have made up valid points, I'm not really losing

So far, 3 Archlord haters don't like me because I tell them to actually play the game first.

Boo hoo, I'll go pack my bags now.

hey, what a coincidence! 3 people dislike me, thats the same number of times you have been banned on this forum for rude language and immature behavior!!

and I also fixed your post, no, don't worry, you don't have to thank me.

And another.  There are many different ways this could have been handled, this would have been the wrong way.

again, read above. on a sidenote, I suggest you read SteveIrwins post history.  anything constructive said to him is useless. he simply deserved that post.

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Nah, DnL was a scam. Archlord is a quality title. but its simply not for everybody.

Also, Archlord isn't even half as broken as DnL.

And another.  Slamming other products in favor of your own is highly unprofessional.

I don't have any products,I am not a CM employee. and again, I do not represent CM on this forum.

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My points are valid because I actually play the game.

I have said this before, and I will say it again. Archlord is NOT for everyone. its for people intrested in PVP and especialy clan politics. THATS who the game is for. comments like "nothing but mindless grinds" only proves that the person does not play the game the way it was designed to be played.

Your points may be valid, but you just stated that many MMO'ers out there will probably not like this game.  Fair enough, nothing is for everyone.  However, you cannot level threw clan politics, so this is not a feature more of a inherent issue you should expect playing the game.  If there is a certain way to play the game, should this not be spelled out in a handy dandy manual stating: game expectations, examples of gameplay, who the game is tailored to, why you should consider or not consider the game, what constitutes actions where xp is involved, etc etc etc.

CM has made quite clear what the game is about. so I don't really understand your point.

Admittingly I have not read every last page of the manual, or the knowledgebase, but I suppose this could be in there.

If you wonder how this would do any good?  Well it would help moderators in the forums (point to faq/manual page) for most answers.  Would help new players decide if they want to play.  Would assist with many aspects that currently get argued over constantly.

There are many things I as a moderator can not help with. I am truly trying my best on the official forum, but as I said, I am not an employee of codemasters. I do not have answers to many of the questions.

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I see we have a diffrent concept when we talk about Critical. What I understood under critical errors are errors that take a long time to fix, none of those should take a long time to fix. the chat exploit has been fixed, so are the textures. I personally don't have any crashses since I downloaded the latest Nvidia geforce patch (I did before)  did you try updating your drivers?

This post and everything in it was a very professional response, although your information is inaccurate unfortunately.  Red Moth's still have no textures, as are a few others I can't remember the names for, which was after the last patch.  The chat exploit still happens from what I've seen so far.  There are many reports of crashes on the forums, and many people who I know that play the game get CTD's or Blue screens from time to time.  When submitting reports to support, they have not been much help.  Further to this, there is no error handler on the login other then "Can't connect to login server".  Which apparently covers everything from connection issues, login server actually being down, to wrong user/pass.

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Maybe that is your way of testing, but not CM's way. if it happens at Closed beta or open beta, as long as the end result is good at retail, then does it really matter when it gets implanted?

The sad part about CM's mentality, if this is truely the way they do things, is that it impede's making sales from go.  With an open beta, if people do not feel confident in the game before release, then they simply won't buy it.  Less sales, less people, will equal a game that goes nowhere and will be shut down in 12-18 months from release unless something major happens soon.  It's happened to many games in the past, and it's unfortuantely that they have not learned from the mistakes of others.

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Why would it be okay in Closed beta but not in open beta? Both are still in beta.

Well, the reason why things are ok in Closed beta, but not Open Beta, is that in Closed beta, you have a controlled environment where you can test any number of things on the fly, during specified times, and with the right people.  In open beta, it is more to show off what has been done, and work out any bugs that where not considered or did not show any major issues in closed beta.  Now given the amount of bugs, and minor ones at that, just with textures for example, and the chat bug, those should have been found long before opening the floodgates.  In defence of that, you can only do so much with the experience of the people doing the closed beta, so in hindsight, somethings just may have not been mentioned.  Yet again, those review/previews that you where getting upset about look at these things and offer a glimpse at what the game has to offer both good and bad.

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Nerfing the XP doesn't have anything to do with it being a PK game or not. If your playing this game with the only idea in mind to improve your character every second your playing, then AL is not the game for you.

With 100 levels ahead of you, why wouldn't you want to improve your character.  By that statement alone I'm guessing everyone should be level 1?  XP allows you to get to the end game, in the pursuit of XP you get armor and equipment which thus also improve your chances of surviving to the end game, money allows influence with other characters in providing bribes and donations and loans, also the equipment you get from gaining said XP can be used in the same fashion.  So judging by what you have stated before saying this is a political game, then why no XP for politics?  So if improving your character is not supposed to be part of the game, then what is there?  Just wondering as you seem to be eluding to something else.

Grinding is indeed the way to improve your character, but that does not mean that is the ONLY thing you should be doing. as I said, if you ignore the PVP aspect of this game, then your missing out a great deal of the game

Also just wanted to add, this is not intended as a complete flame as more of an observation.  I will not be checking back for replies or responding to anything past this point, so feel free to comment, but again, I simply don't check these that often, just happened that this thread caught my eye and I felt I had to comment on a few things.

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Originally posted by face30
You do realize gameloading that you announcing that you are a moderator for Codemasters Archlord forums, even though you go by a different name there makes you no less responsible for your comments or actions on any boards ,anywhere. To probably most here you still are a reprsentative and your actions or comments will still be associated back to where you are a mod.I can honestly say that I both agree and disagree with alot of things you have said and will not waste my time announcing my own opinions of Archlord being that it seems everyone has an opinion on everyone's opinion on these boards. I am still a toss up on whether I will keep my pre-order or not, it is dependent on if they change this nerf patch. Yes i understand that beta is beta and I am willing to bet they are not using open beta as implied, which is a stress test, but to see how the western market will react to the eastern grind in this title.

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You are 100% correct,it is not your problem .....by you stating that you are a rep of codemasters of any form then that would make what you do Codemasters problem. Don't be foolish and make an argument of it, or put an NDA on your account stating that any of your opinions do not represent CM in any form. Im just make a suggestion to you being the fact that it is an "implied" that if i walk around wearing anything that shows my company logo upon it that i shall have the respect to not only to think of who i represent or any of my actions while displaying so. In fact the company I represent has certain policies such as not wearing company logos in a liquor establishment, while its not a law its suggested as a respect.

I enjoy archlord but in many ways and choose to keep my positives and negative to myself for i believe each his own to make his/her opinion due to their own experience. I am just stating that while defending a game which you obviously try to represent in some way that you do it in a manner that is a bit more responsible and less attackful and argumentative, for just by me reading through this post merely looking for new AL information you have made me think twice of the game just because of you attitude. I think to myself if CM allows this person to mod then........

You get the point.

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Originally posted by face30

You are 100% correct,it is not your problem .....by you stating that you are a rep of codemasters of any form then that would make what you do Codemasters problem. Don't be foolish and make an argument of it, or put an NDA on your account stating that any of your opinions do not represent CM in any form. Im just make a suggestion to you being the fact that it is an "implied" that if i walk around wearing anything that shows my company logo upon it that i shall have the respect to not only to think of who i represent or any of my actions while displaying so. In fact the company I represent has certain policies such as not wearing company logos in a liquor establishment, while its not a law its suggested as a respect.

I enjoy archlord but in many ways and choose to keep my positives and negative to myself for i believe each his own to make his/her opinion due to their own experience. I am just stating that while defending a game which you obviously try to represent in some way that you do it in a manner that is a bit more responsible and less attackful and argumentative, for just by me reading through this post merely looking for new AL information you have made me think twice of the game just because of you attitude. I think to myself if CM allows this person to mod then........

You get the point.

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Originally posted by face30
You do realize gameloading that you announcing that you are a moderator for Codemasters Archlord forums, even though you go by a different name there makes you no less responsible for your comments or actions on any boards ,anywhere. To probably most here you still are a reprsentative and your actions or comments will still be associated back to where you are a mod.I can honestly say that I both agree and disagree with alot of things you have said and will not waste my time announcing my own opinions of Archlord being that it seems everyone has an opinion on everyone's opinion on these boards. I am still a toss up on whether I will keep my pre-order or not, it is dependent on if they change this nerf patch. Yes i understand that beta is beta and I am willing to bet they are not using open beta as implied, which is a stress test, but to see how the western market will react to the eastern grind in this title.

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The info of me being a mod on the AL forums leaked out a long time ago. I have no intentions to hide it. but that does not mean I represent CM on this forum. if people think I do, then that is simply not my problem.

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Originally posted by SteveIrwin

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by face30
You do realize gameloading that you announcing that you are a moderator for Codemasters Archlord forums, even though you go by a different name there makes you no less responsible for your comments or actions on any boards ,anywhere. To probably most here you still are a reprsentative and your actions or comments will still be associated back to where you are a mod.I can honestly say that I both agree and disagree with alot of things you have said and will not waste my time announcing my own opinions of Archlord being that it seems everyone has an opinion on everyone's opinion on these boards. I am still a toss up on whether I will keep my pre-order or not, it is dependent on if they change this nerf patch. Yes i understand that beta is beta and I am willing to bet they are not using open beta as implied, which is a stress test, but to see how the western market will react to the eastern grind in this title.

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The info of me being a mod on the AL forums leaked out a long time ago. I have no intentions to hide it. but that does not mean I represent CM on this forum. if people think I do, then that is simply not my problem.

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This clown is actually a mod somewhere? Lol wow. This guy is always trying (and failing) to put people down. Makes you wonder how smart these AL guys are. No wonder he defends it so desperatly. I knew something was up with the way he defended this game that pretty much EVERYONE cept for him and a few select others know is garbage.....

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by SteveIrwin

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by face30
You do realize gameloading that you announcing that you are a moderator for Codemasters Archlord forums, even though you go by a different name there makes you no less responsible for your comments or actions on any boards ,anywhere. To probably most here you still are a reprsentative and your actions or comments will still be associated back to where you are a mod.I can honestly say that I both agree and disagree with alot of things you have said and will not waste my time announcing my own opinions of Archlord being that it seems everyone has an opinion on everyone's opinion on these boards. I am still a toss up on whether I will keep my pre-order or not, it is dependent on if they change this nerf patch. Yes i understand that beta is beta and I am willing to bet they are not using open beta as implied, which is a stress test, but to see how the western market will react to the eastern grind in this title.

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The info of me being a mod on the AL forums leaked out a long time ago. I have no intentions to hide it. but that does not mean I represent CM on this forum. if people think I do, then that is simply not my problem.

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This clown is actually a mod somewhere? Lol wow. This guy is always trying (and failing) to put people down. Makes you wonder how smart these AL guys are. No wonder he defends it so desperatly. I knew something was up with the way he defended this game that pretty much EVERYONE cept for him and a few select others know is garbage.....

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Really? I am putting people down? I don't really remember me doing that (except for you, after you flamed me to oblivion for having a diffrent opinion then you do). you are actually the one that is flaming and bashing people who don't agree with you.you should stop mixing up your posts with mine. also, everyone hates it? thats weird, because AL is gaining more players by the day.

go ahead, quote me where I insulted and flamed people.

There is a reason why you have been banned 3 times in record time, and I have been banned not ONCE since I joined this forum 2 years ago.

oh, and what was your excuse? You completely ignored all your flame and insults, and stated that all moderators are corrupt.

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