I highly recommend you cancel your pre-order. Codemasters is the slowest patcher all of the current Publishers , they dont seem to have any control over thier developers , pushing forward a patch that made it impossible to test or patch.

      Right now , if play / test for 6 hours , your weapon will break every 45 minutes to 1 hour , depending on how much you use it. You average 20 gold from mobs , and when you start getting into the 100 gold mobs , you average a ratio of 6 to every mob killed. You recieve next to nothing for fighting mobs.

      My guild formed an AOE group last night ... We killed 10 to 20 mobs at time , we got 1 green loot , for 15 mobs , and 20 potions total for the entire night. We spent 50k or so each , knights a bit less and earned a whooping 10k from all the dead mobs for the enitire night. Everything had to sold , to make it 10k.

       We went from lvl 28 groups to 22 groups , averaging 8 gold for 22 mobs and 16 gold from 28 mobs. We breiftly did lvl 30 mobs , and got a nice 22 gold.  There is no buff (xp , or gold) for being in a party.

     We went solo while people ate and what not , I earned 30 gold from lvl 26 mobs and in the hour or I spent solo , I got no potions , and no drops.

     Tonight we tried a different test , only quests ... Results were ugly , Moonelf Elementist , doing 30 quest , got 1 reinforcement , 1 reverse orb , and some dinner (about 7 food items that sell for 100 to 300 gold). I personally earned 12k from 10 pm to 3 am.  My staff would break from taking down mobs and I used my stash of medium pots from Orc and Knight .. In the entire time , I got 1 stone , from hunting 2 quests , killing 20 wolves and 15 zombies.

     Now Codemasters always says the QAs on "test server" are testing this patch or this other patch. I submitt to you that Codemasters is using trained chimps to test these patches. We have seen horrible patches from them in RFonline and now we are seeing them here in Archlord.

      Anyone who is a gamer , can see how negetively this mega nerf has on the playability of Archlord. Now is the time to make our voices heard , if you want them to continue crying "This is beta" or "We didnt know" then by all means buy Archlord. But if you had enough of these crap jobs on patching , judging the bandwith needed to download a file , and thier lack of CSR (until you raise Kane) then cancel your pre-orders and dont take this BS from them.

    Yes we understand its beta , yes it is meant to test , but you do not change game rules in Open Beta , unless you are bunch of dumbasses. Rule changes happen in Alpha and Closed Beta, even then its slowly brought online to test each change and the impact of the change.

      Codemasters defense once again , "Like .. I didnt know that was in there." , then why the hell do they have a private test servers and QAs if they arent reviewing the patches as they come in? That kind of incompentacy would get someone killed in my old job...

     If this was Codemasters first attempt at MMORPG , or they didnt have this kinda of patch before , then we could forgive and forget , chalk it up to inexperience. But they have tried MMORPGs before Therealm , and RFonline .. Dragon Empire's development.  They have also slip in things in RFOnline patches in the pass...

     We are all gamers , be you a fan , or just someone looking to help Archlord become smoother. But since when is nerfing , and really cheesy voice overs more important than major bugs? Human archers still cant put stones on some thier end armor , people are still exploiting the chat bug , people are still are crashing , the server has become less stable since the patch... Numberous things cryout that we as gamers put our foot down and say "Codemasters , fix it or we will vote with our dollar"

    I believe it is time we voted , make them fix the game with canceling the pre-order , its a good game , and it can be fun , but Codemasters are acting like a bunch of newbies with the way they handle thier customers and testers.

     Publishers have money and resources without the pre-order , if they want this to go to market as a half ass , and bugged game they need to see we wont take it.

Wow,I didn't think it'd be that bad in the higher levels. And they removed the party buff? (I've noticed it's more of a potion-spamming struggle here in the lower levels,although in part due to the potion drop nerf adjustment,but I didn't think about how bad it would be at the higher levels)

Don't worry,I'm sure the Archlord fanboys will have plenty to argue with; but I feel not for much longer. They won't be able to hide behind 'beta excuse' when it's a 'release excuse' come soon,3 weeks from now or less.

If this patch is as bad as it is,it needs to be fixed now in the beta before release,otherwise you're not going to get a lot of people BUYING the game you 'love' so much. And all these negative opinions don't help newcomers either,cheap price to pay or not.

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

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        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

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        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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Have to agree there.  Better to just let him ramble on.

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

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        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

Oh really? Critical errors? Like what? I have been playing this game for quite a while now, and have yet to see these unfixed crititcal errors. I am sure you could mention a few?

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

It doesn't matter if its at the start of beta or 2 weeks like now, Beta is beta. period.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

this is not "abusing". this is called testing. they are currently testing new concepts. in beta, yes, in BETA. if you don't like gameplay changes during a TEST phase, then DO NOT join a beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

I have yet to see these "lack of respect" responses, and as a Moderator, I am pretty sure I visit the official forum more then you do.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

If the company wants to TEST these changes to see how the western audience will respond to it, who are you to say "No, you can't!"?

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

They are checking out the feedback. the recent potion change is the proof that CM actually IS listening to its customers. but you can't expect a change 5 minutes after the patch came out. give it some time.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

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        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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Originally posted by SteveIrwin

I wouldnt rest your case if I were you since your losing. He had alot of very good very smart points, you didnt fanboi

Lol funny you keep saying noone wants me here, yet all I keep seeing is people laughing at you and just not wanting you around. Take a hint and leave your not welcome here

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

---

        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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Do you like having me embaress you?

I already told you in another post i made it to level 28 with a moonelf archer, and level 20 with an orc sorc. I also said i stand by what i said, what case are you resting? You've jsut refuted me by ignoring the fact that i have experience with the game already.

It seems you just post random comments without even think...... Gah, im starting to feel silly.

*walks away from the wall*

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

---

And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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Do you like having me embaress you?

I already told you in another post i made it to level 28 with a moonelf archer, and level 20 with an orc sorc. I also said i stand by what i said, what case are you resting? You've jsut refuted me by ignoring the fact that i have experience with the game already.

It seems you just post random comments without even think...... Gah, im starting to feel silly.

*walks away from the wall*

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

---

And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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Do you like having me embaress you?

I already told you in another post i made it to level 28 with a moonelf archer, and level 20 with an orc sorc. I also said i stand by what i said, what case are you resting? You've jsut refuted me by ignoring the fact that i have experience with the game already.

Remeber this thread = http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/93841

It seems you just post random comments without even think...... Gah, im starting to feel silly.

*walks away from the wall*

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Originally posted by SteveIrwin

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

---

        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

---

And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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I wouldnt rest your case if I were you since your losing. He had alot of very good very smart points, you didnt fanboi

Lol funny you keep saying noone wants me here, yet all I keep seeing is people laughing at you and just not wanting you around. Take a hint and leave your not welcome here

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

---

And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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I wouldnt rest your case if I were you since your losing. He had alot of very good very smart points, you didnt fanboi

Lol funny you keep saying noone wants me here, yet all I keep seeing is people laughing at you and just not wanting you around. Take a hint and leave your not welcome here

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

---

        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

---

And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

---

Do you like having me embaress you?

I already told you in another post i made it to level 28 with a moonelf archer, and level 20 with an orc sorc. I also said i stand by what i said, what case are you resting? You've jsut refuted me by ignoring the fact that i have experience with the game already.

It seems you just post random comments without even think...... Gah, im starting to feel silly.

*walks away from the wall*

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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Do you like having me embaress you?

I already told you in another post i made it to level 28 with a moonelf archer, and level 20 with an orc sorc. I also said i stand by what i said, what case are you resting? You've jsut refuted me by ignoring the fact that i have experience with the game already.

It seems you just post random comments without even think...... Gah, im starting to feel silly.

*walks away from the wall*

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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Do you like having me embaress you?

I already told you in another post i made it to level 28 with a moonelf archer, and level 20 with an orc sorc. I also said i stand by what i said, what case are you resting? You've jsut refuted me by ignoring the fact that i have experience with the game already.

Remeber this thread = http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/93841

It seems you just post random comments without even think...... Gah, im starting to feel silly.

*walks away from the wall*

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Originally posted by SteveIrwin

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Azure77

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Originally posted by Gameloading
Op, if you can't understand that game companies experiment during test phase, then DO NOT join beta tests.

This would be a valid complaint if you were actually a paying subscriber.
 but your not yet. A beta is a phase where companies will test things. you decided to join the test.

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        My testing experience goes back to the days of Origin , back to the 80s and 90s for most games. I ve seen alphas , betas , open betas , released games in beta stages. NCsoft knows me well for being a "proactive" bug hunter since the days of Lineage 1 Korean beta.

        I dont speak from my ass on this , I ve been a mild game investor , and coder for a few years now. We have already bought from retailers in the case of Codemasters , pre-orders which are 5.00 of the retailer's price , and Fileplanet subs.

        When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

     I respect that during beta , you bring change , sometimes not for the best on the player behalf. But this is close to launch , and these kinda of changes are brought in Close Beta , while the NDA is vaild and can be used to silence people who dont like the changes.

    We are the paying public , we decide if we are going to take BS and lack of control over the patching process. We have sunk time , and many of us money into helping to test. But that does not give them the right to abuse us, even if its beta.

      Have you even read the responses from the boards? The complete lack of respect to testers from GM staff and System Ops? They are like ground hogs.. they only surface when there is major outcry from the public.

      Your "its beta" sounds like a cult response from a Cult leader... Hey I m God , so I can abuse you as fit , and you ll love because "its beta". Doesnt happen like that , you dont stealthly nerf everything to hell and then tell the customers to "Oops I did it again!" like some teenager.

    If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

     Players job here is to give feedback mostly , and if Codemasters expect the average person who downloaded the fileplanet open beta to be diehard , take the bullet for the company "because its beta" they are in for a huge shock.

     I ve done Alpha and Beta tests with skeleton crews and basic QAs that knew more about what a patch contained than these clowns. If you think its excusable for someone to say they didnt know or say its beta and thus we can treat the populacion as we see fit, then remind me to never work around you.

    

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Wow.. i dont think i could've ended that better even if i tried.. no need for me to follow that up.

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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I wouldnt rest your case if I were you since your losing. He had alot of very good very smart points, you didnt fanboi

Lol funny you keep saying noone wants me here, yet all I keep seeing is people laughing at you and just not wanting you around. Take a hint and leave your not welcome here

But talking to gameloading is like talking to a wall, just give up early, after a while you start to feel silly.

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And thats coming from the same person who already claimed PlayPLUS and Archlord as a failure without even PLAYING the game for a reasonable amount of time.

I rest my case.

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I wouldnt rest your case if I were you since your losing. He had alot of very good very smart points, you didnt fanboi

I don't like it that you reply to my post when I say this game totally sucks after 10 minutes of playing. I don't want you here, Get out!

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Sounds like the game is really borked atm.

Actually, it sounds awfully similar to the DnL fiasco. Remember? "SoG isn't the final game! It'll be way better once released as DnL!"

Gameloading, you appear to be a steadfast, die-hard, nothing could ever faze you fanboy, but I digress. You should go play DnL too, its broken, and most everyone hates it, so you'll love it by the sound of things.

On topic, too bad AL is so messed up, I was going to try it, but this is clearly not a game for me or my guild.

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Originally posted by Die_Scream

Sounds like the game is really borked atm.

Actually, it sounds awfully similar to the DnL fiasco. Remember? "SoG isn't the final game! It'll be way better once released as DnL!"

Gameloading, you appear to be a steadfast, die-hard, nothing could ever faze you fanboy, but I digress. You should go play DnL too, its broken, and most everyone hates it, so you'll love it by the sound of things.

On topic, too bad AL is so messed up, I was going to try it, but this is clearly not a game for me or my guild.

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I hope I'm not one of your 'haters' Gameloading,cos I'm not.

I just think sometimes you need to cut down on defending Archlord so much; I used to fanatically defend against ToC trolls in my game's forum,but after some smart advice I realised I should just let ignorant comments be posted without a response; it makes them look more stupid. If people criticise my game in the future I shall observe their comment,reply if a good point is found,and leave it at that.

If people like SteveIrwin rant at you; just let them rant on. If people like Lillith (your no.1 Archlord/Gameloading fangirl ) et al are right and you are deemed more 'popular' for bringing up credible points about the BETA version of Archlord,then you don't really need to reply to every single post made against you and Archlord. Just make your initial point,and leave it at that.

Well,unless it's under the job description as Archlord forum mod of course.  Then by all means carry on. You can anyway,but just trying to help.

I had a decent response.. but due to a post error it was lost, not gonna waste time reposting it.

Ill just say if you are willing to play this game, and just try and brush all the obvious issues under a rock, then so be it. Your money not mine.

Ive lost all interest in carrying this debate.

Archlord is quality... if you say it, it must be true, your points are always valid says your sidekick.

Its so rich i absolutly love it.. i will check back in six months, see if you still avidly parade your archlord banner. But i doubt you will be, youll mostlikly latch on to the next underdog game so you can defend and bring up "valid points" Though i havent actually had you disprove one of my points with an actual fact.. just your opinion reflected as fact, your points are always, ALWAYS valid.

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I had a decent response.. but due to a post error it was lost, not gonna waste time reposting it.

Ill just say if you are willing to play this game, and just try and brush all the obvious issues under a rock, then so be it. Your money not mine.

Ive lost all interest in carrying this debate.

Archlord is quality... if you say it, it must be true, your points are always valid says your sidekick.

Its so rich i absolutly love it.. i will check back in six months, see if you still avidly parade your archlord banner. But i doubt you will be, youll mostlikly latch on to the next underdog game so you can defend and bring up "valid points" Though i havent actually had you disprove one of my points with an actual fact.. just your opinion reflected as fact, your points are always, ALWAYS valid.

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Oh really? Critical errors? Like what? I have been playing this game for quite a while now, and have yet to see these unfixed crititcal errors. I am sure you could mention a few?

    Let's see missing textures that cause some people to crash , the chat exploit is still usable, Archer Human armor cant be found on the AH, Archer Human armor purple gear cant use elemental stones and half of the defense stones, critical crashes inflicted when you use ransack , skinning or other trade tools. Critical crashes inflicted when the server crashes (hardlock up), major lag and unstable servers when the server is up for more than 8 hours , a host of broken skills, a host of broken pets, (I can list more.. I got all my logs and all the documents from 45 players.)

    this is not "abusing". this is called testing. they are currently testing new concepts. in beta, yes, in BETA. if you don't like gameplay changes during a TEST phase, then DO NOT join a beta.

    You must have never been in Beta of any kind before. Yes changes go in , but they are launching in 2 weeks for retail. Rule changes go in at Close Beta stage , slowly.

     Let me put to you this way... Have you ever drawn a bath? When you draw a bath , do you just open the Hot water , then jump in? No you mix cold with hot until you get a temp, you like. The patch that was introduced wasnt a test of any kind , it was full on Hot water , there was no cold water added.
       Reduce the drops by 80% , reduce the gold 80%, xp reduced by 50%, double potion prices and reduce potion drop.. On top of that they doubled the potion timer. What did they add to reduce or less these changes to balance them out? Nothing .. it was a full frontal nerf.
      If it had been a test , they would have add a "rest" command like CoH , or they would increased gold by x amount , and then reduced drops by x ammount.
      The problem is .. people are beginning to see 2+2 = 4.. Because the Item Mall was suppose to be brought online the night of the patch. Now if they are going to test drops, gold, xp , by the Item mall buffs , then this game is screwed.

     I have yet to see these "lack of respect" responses, and as a Moderator, I am pretty sure I visit the official forum more then you do.

      You must not read every post.. Ulric, Slayer , and sometimes Ziant response in a total unproffession manner. Slayer especially has shown comtemp towards players , the way a Sciencist would play with his rats before injecting them with AIDS or something. AD must be training them how to be jerks in 12 easy steps , the boards use to be pretty friendly and was sometimes helpful. Since AD join , they begin acting like the Mods, over at Dark and Light. When you question "the vison" the tear into you like a pack of wild dogs. I seen Ulric (who I use to respect) come off with some snid remark .. then when called on it he goes on the offensive.

     But this is becoming more and more common in MMORPGs.. only the places I would called 3rd world CSR seem to be doing much quicker than SOE or NCsoft.

    If the company wants to TEST these changes to see how the western audience will respond to it, who are you to say "No, you can't!"?

     Who am I? I m customer , and gamer.. Its fine to test in Close Beta but this is Open Beta. Who am I? I m the guy who takes out the whip and puts the clowns back into thier little car when they get too annoying. I have voice because Codemasters doesnt seem to be in control nor capible to deal with thier developers.

    They are checking out the feedback. the recent potion change is the proof that CM actually IS listening to its customers. but you can't expect a change 5 minutes after the patch came out. give it some time.

        No they only listen when you raise Hell. They only reserved the potions nerf, because more than 90% of gamers walked out on them. Still reviewing the impact on pre-sales right now , but seems alot of people canceled pre-orders over this. Proof that money talks and gets our point across.
       If they had control over thier developers , or had any balls what so ever , they can get patches done in 48 hours (they dont seem to know how to test them anyhow.)
    CoH , CoV , Lineage 1 , Lineage 2 , Earth and Beyond , UO , AO , just to name a few had 72 hour patch turn around. In Lineage 1 we had a "dog bug" , at the time NCinteractive was in charge , took them 3 days to fix it and then they increased the drop / adena rate in events afterwards.
   

     Gameloading, riddle me this Batman? You say the point of this game is pvp , and clan politics. Ok then why did the nerf the xp , so it became impossible to get out of your teens? Why havent they fixed clans .. Why arent we testing Sieges (well now its impossible because you get 2 lvls every 8 hours at 25)... Why did they make it impossible to pvp or have clan wars? (Cost vs. risk vs. reward).
      PVP opens up at 20 and begins to get decent at 30 , you begin to do sieges at around 60. You collect skulls at around 20 in the pvp dungeon.. So why did they decide when all is said and done to basically cap everyone at 16 or 17?

      People who just started during this patch are gaining 1 lvl per game session. While at higher lvls , it takes around 50k to 70k to make 2 lvls.

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Originally posted by Azure77

Oh really? Critical errors? Like what? I have been playing this game for quite a while now, and have yet to see these unfixed crititcal errors. I am sure you could mention a few?

    Let's see missing textures that cause some people to crash , the chat exploit is still usable, Archer Human armor cant be found on the AH, Archer Human armor purple gear cant use elemental stones and half of the defense stones, critical crashes inflicted when you use ransack , skinning or other trade tools. Critical crashes inflicted when the server crashes (hardlock up), major lag and unstable servers when the server is up for more than 8 hours , a host of broken skills, a host of broken pets, (I can list more.. I got all my logs and all the documents from 45 players.)

I see we have a diffrent concept when we talk about Critical. What I understood under critical errors are errors that take a long time to fix, none of those should take a long time to fix. the chat exploit has been fixed, so are the textures. I personally don't have any crashses since I downloaded the latest Nvidia geforce patch (I did before)  did you try updating your drivers?

    this is not "abusing". this is called testing. they are currently testing new concepts. in beta, yes, in BETA. if you don't like gameplay changes during a TEST phase, then DO NOT join a beta.

    You must have never been in Beta of any kind before. Yes changes go in , but they are launching in 2 weeks for retail. Rule changes go in at Close Beta stage , slowly.

Maybe that is your way of testing, but not CM's way. if it happens at Closed beta or open beta, as long as the end result is good at retail, then does it really matter when it gets implanted?

     Let me put to you this way... Have you ever drawn a bath? When you draw a bath , do you just open the Hot water , then jump in? No you mix cold with hot until you get a temp, you like. The patch that was introduced wasnt a test of any kind , it was full on Hot water , there was no cold water added.
       Reduce the drops by 80% , reduce the gold 80%, xp reduced by 50%, double potion prices and reduce potion drop.. On top of that they doubled the potion timer. What did they add to reduce or less these changes to balance them out? Nothing .. it was a full frontal nerf.
      If it had been a test , they would have add a "rest" command like CoH , or they would increased gold by x amount , and then reduced drops by x ammount.
      The problem is .. people are beginning to see 2+2 = 4.. Because the Item Mall was suppose to be brought online the night of the patch. Now if they are going to test drops, gold, xp , by the Item mall buffs , then this game is screwed.

That absolutely totally has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if it was a nerf or a buff, it does not take away it was a test.

     I have yet to see these "lack of respect" responses, and as a Moderator, I am pretty sure I visit the official forum more then you do.

      You must not read every post.. Ulric, Slayer , and sometimes Ziant response in a total unproffession manner. Slayer especially has shown comtemp towards players , the way a Sciencist would play with his rats before injecting them with AIDS or something. AD must be training them how to be jerks in 12 easy steps , the boards use to be pretty friendly and was sometimes helpful. Since AD join , they begin acting like the Mods, over at Dark and Light. When you question "the vison" the tear into you like a pack of wild dogs. I seen Ulric (who I use to respect) come off with some snid remark .. then when called on it he goes on the offensive.

Really? well, if you could point out any post where I wrote a response in a "total unproffesion manner" then by all means show me here. I have been trying very hard right from the start to respond in a proffesional manner.

     But this is becoming more and more common in MMORPGs.. only the places I would called 3rd world CSR seem to be doing much quicker than SOE or NCsoft.

    If the company wants to TEST these changes to see how the western audience will respond to it, who are you to say "No, you can't!"?

     Who am I? I m customer , and gamer.. Its fine to test in Close Beta but this is Open Beta. Who am I? I m the guy who takes out the whip and puts the clowns back into thier little car when they get too annoying. I have voice because Codemasters doesnt seem to be in control nor capible to deal with thier developers.

Why would it be okay in Closed beta but not in open beta? Both are still in beta.

    They are checking out the feedback. the recent potion change is the proof that CM actually IS listening to its customers. but you can't expect a change 5 minutes after the patch came out. give it some time.

        No they only listen when you raise Hell. They only reserved the potions nerf, because more than 90% of gamers walked out on them. Still reviewing the impact on pre-sales right now , but seems alot of people canceled pre-orders over this. Proof that money talks and gets our point across.
       If they had control over thier developers , or had any balls what so ever , they can get patches done in 48 hours (they dont seem to know how to test them anyhow.)
    CoH , CoV , Lineage 1 , Lineage 2 , Earth and Beyond , UO , AO , just to name a few had 72 hour patch turn around. In Lineage 1 we had a "dog bug" , at the time NCinteractive was in charge , took them 3 days to fix it and then they increased the drop / adena rate in events afterwards.

   That totally depends on what kind of bug it is. Do you honnestly think CM employees are sitting in their lazy chair, just received the latest fix and thinking "hah! everybody is waiting for this fix, but oh, tea time!"

     Gameloading, riddle me this Batman? You say the point of this game is pvp , and clan politics. Ok then why did the nerf the xp , so it became impossible to get out of your teens? Why havent they fixed clans .. Why arent we testing Sieges (well now its impossible because you get 2 lvls every 8 hours at 25)... Why did they make it impossible to pvp or have clan wars? (Cost vs. risk vs. reward).
      PVP opens up at 20 and begins to get decent at 30 , you begin to do sieges at around 60. You collect skulls at around 20 in the pvp dungeon.. So why did they decide when all is said and done to basically cap everyone at 16 or 17?

Nerfing the XP doesn't have anything to do with it being a PK game or not. If your playing this game with the only idea in mind to improve your character every second your playing, then AL is not the game for you.

      People who just started during this patch are gaining 1 lvl per game session. While at higher lvls , it takes around 50k to 70k to make 2 lvls.

       what exactly is so bad about this? should we all be at the cap level in 3 months, raiding a dungeon with 40 people every saturday? wondering what to do? what is so fun about leveling up so fast and being at the endgame?

 

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Originally posted by Azure77

    

    

      1.  When you are testing a game , you bring critical items online first , only a complete boob would bring a nerf patch before fixing game critical errors. There are so many small holes in the ship right now that it is sinking.

   2. If thier QAs are not testing the patches and relaying the basic information to Codemasters .. we have big problems. What stops them releasing another patch that nerfs everything or changes the game for the worst for the player? If they can do this with less than 2 weeks to go to launch , there is no depth to the madness they bring to the game and come up with a lame excuse as to why it was brought online.

    

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1.So true and do you ever remember any Beta getting such a drastic "adjustment" a few weeks before it goes Gold?

2.Can you imagine what will happen if further "adjustments" are made say.. two months after October 3?

To put it bluntly currently AL is a half a$$ed MMORPG in an extremely competive Market...a lot of us have been posting suggestions that would increase AL's market share and all we get is "oh you should not play Beta if you don't like it..or you don't know anything about the MMORPG Market" so if CM thinks they know best,just like SWG's "Focus Group" then GL .

Here is what we are talking about  http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131685

"Yesterday i repaired all armour to full, recorded my gold, xp and number of pots. I then went out and killed mobs until my armour needed repaired again. I am lvl35 berserker and i was killing lvl32 mobs as i can do this very fast and take little damage.

After returning to repair and replace used pots. I sold all loot drops from killing the 400 mobs(yes i counted) which was barly a full bag. the result was that i lost 15k gold from this excursion.

I have been doing similiar tests with different lvl mobs but I am finding i take a loss everytime. currently i have under 10k gold and can't even afford to repair my sword"

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Originally posted by RyuukoGo Here is what we are talking about  http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131685

"Yesterday i repaired all armour to full, recorded my gold, xp and number of pots. I then went out and killed mobs until my armour needed repaired again. I am lvl35 berserker and i was killing lvl32 mobs as i can do this very fast and take little damage.

After returning to repair and replace used pots. I sold all loot drops from killing the 400 mobs(yes i counted) which was barly a full bag. the result was that i lost 15k gold from this excursion.

I have been doing similiar tests with different lvl mobs but I am finding i take a loss everytime. currently i have under 10k gold and can't even afford to repair my sword"

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"Your administrator has required a password to access this forum. Please enter this password now.
Note: This requires cookies!" Ok.  Despite having an Archlord forum account,yeah.

How many players have found a similiar situation? If this is widespread,that's pretty depressing.....for now.

i was so close to buyin this game today but i thought id check the forum before going out and im glad i did.

I used to play Planetside and i feel in love with it. but slowly slowly SOE added or nerfed aspects of the game without even askin if they were good ideas, thats what it sounds like with archlord.

can anyone tell me what this Payplus crap is? is it not monthly fee?

also, what is the PvP and lvlin up like?

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Originally posted by Kasp3r

i was so close to buyin this game today but i thought id check the forum before going out and im glad i did.

I used to play Planetside and i feel in love with it. but slowly slowly SOE added or nerfed aspects of the game without even askin if they were good ideas, thats what it sounds like with archlord.

can anyone tell me what this Payplus crap is? is it not monthly fee?

also, what is the PvP and lvlin up like?

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