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  Shayde

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Joined: 9/26/05
Posts: 4551

The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

NOW you realize that! - Shayde

7/31/06 2:50:40 PM#41

Originally posted by iskareot

Originally posted by maxanto

Originally posted by Shayde
Selling currency in ANY videogame is NOT illegal.

Period.

Now it does break most companies EULA, which is a very weak contract between the gamer and the provider. At MOST you can get banned from playing the game.

To recap... Gold selling is NOT Illegal... just against company policy.

Shayde hits the nail on the heads of this one. Besides this site is a business and needs some form of income to help pay all of its mods, and servers... What is appaling to me is the HUGE ammount of disrespect going on in this thread.

This is their site and their rules, if you do not agree thats cool we all have different views on things but to flame its staff and moderators is out of line. If I were the mods here I would have made this stickie a locked topic. I think maybe they should not have made it into a discussion.

Ok I guess we need to be more clear on this then.  It is not legal according to SOEs contract and AGREEMENT THAT IS LEGAL AND A BINDING CONTRACT by all means noted as a "legal" format and document according to the legal dept. 

So I guess we should say it is NOT LEGAL according to MOST games ONLINE AGREEMENT THAT IS A LEGAL agreement binding you to not doing so when you type your name or sign in.

So again.. the act there of is not illegal BASED ON THE GAMES rules and agreements.   SHeewww... You guys and petty details and wording lol.   The NGE has fried us all thats for sure.

DO THIS.. Call SOE, ask them if it is OK for you to buy some credits online for your account if you have any questions -THIS WAY you can hear it from them and not us...lol  (Bit of advice though) DO NOT TELL THEM YOUR NAME OR LOGIN UNTIL YOU ASK..lol...

I do not think anyone got flamed though, people need to read between the lines sometimes and grow a pair.. there is nothing wrong with questions when they are sincere.   I do think that there is more underlying issues at play here though.


You're using "Illegal" incorrectly, that's all. Illegal means that you have broken a law. A contract, no matter how flimsy or strong, is not a law. At MOST you can be in "Breech of contract".

Those that sell or buy gold are in breach of their EULA, and that is why the game companies can ban them from playing. But that's all. It's like a restraunt with a "no hats" policy asking you to remove your hat or leave. They can refuse service if you don't follow their rules, and you agree to folow their rules when you click on the EULA.

No, Congress hasn't made a "ubaigold" law and they never will. Hell, some of thim think the internets is a bunch of tubes For Frak's Sake.

Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.


It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  iskareot

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/06
Posts: 2158

I like green eggs and ham, I am Isk I am.

7/31/06 3:14:24 PM#42

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by iskareot

Originally posted by maxanto

Originally posted by Shayde
Selling currency in ANY videogame is NOT illegal.

Period.

Now it does break most companies EULA, which is a very weak contract between the gamer and the provider. At MOST you can get banned from playing the game.

To recap... Gold selling is NOT Illegal... just against company policy.

Shayde hits the nail on the heads of this one. Besides this site is a business and needs some form of income to help pay all of its mods, and servers... What is appaling to me is the HUGE ammount of disrespect going on in this thread.

This is their site and their rules, if you do not agree thats cool we all have different views on things but to flame its staff and moderators is out of line. If I were the mods here I would have made this stickie a locked topic. I think maybe they should not have made it into a discussion.

Ok I guess we need to be more clear on this then.  It is not legal according to SOEs contract and AGREEMENT THAT IS LEGAL AND A BINDING CONTRACT by all means noted as a "legal" format and document according to the legal dept. 

So I guess we should say it is NOT LEGAL according to MOST games ONLINE AGREEMENT THAT IS A LEGAL agreement binding you to not doing so when you type your name or sign in.

So again.. the act there of is not illegal BASED ON THE GAMES rules and agreements.   SHeewww... You guys and petty details and wording lol.   The NGE has fried us all thats for sure.

DO THIS.. Call SOE, ask them if it is OK for you to buy some credits online for your account if you have any questions -THIS WAY you can hear it from them and not us...lol  (Bit of advice though) DO NOT TELL THEM YOUR NAME OR LOGIN UNTIL YOU ASK..lol...

I do not think anyone got flamed though, people need to read between the lines sometimes and grow a pair.. there is nothing wrong with questions when they are sincere.   I do think that there is more underlying issues at play here though.


You're using "Illegal" incorrectly, that's all. Illegal means that you have broken a law. A contract, no matter how flimsy or strong, is not a law. At MOST you can be in "Breech of contract".

Those that sell or buy gold are in breach of their EULA, and that is why the game companies can ban them from playing. But that's all. It's like a restraunt with a "no hats" policy asking you to remove your hat or leave. They can refuse service if you don't follow their rules, and you agree to folow their rules when you click on the EULA.

No, Congress hasn't made a "ubaigold" law and they never will. Hell, some of thim think the internets is a bunch of tubes For Frak's Sake.

I see what your saying, but as I just asked two lawyers in the office.. the term "Legal" is the phrase used in this sense.    The agreement you accept is a (binding legal one) as they just said.   I did ask them how vauge is that..lol , The one guy laughed and said that actually any contract you agree to or sign can be considered a "LEGAL" document perse.     (so the phrase and term is used in a court of law correctly) -- For instance, my company sells the GIANT ass machines that make or create the box and carton that LA uses for thier products (:( yes I know -- dont get me started) Now then, when they spec it out and sign on the line that (THATS THE MODEL THEY WANT) -- then it is a legal and binding agreement.   SO then here comes the result of that... IT is a legal statement and agreement that they chose that particular machine, a judge would back that in the case of a backing out due to them changing thier mind after we brought a 2 million dollar machine here for them.

Stealing or reselling intel property in any fasion will 9 times out of ten get you in trouble, UNLESS it is parody i.e. making fun of... (This is not in this case).   So will a judge throw you in jail for it?? Naa, but he can let SOE fine the crap out of you and then own you.     I understand the term and do understand what your saying but that agreement is a legal one and a approved legal document.

But see the legal mumbo jumbo is still just that... a lot of paperwork and crap.  I do know people that did get the ole ban stick from the game though buying credits... they did lose thier account.

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  caine6621

Novice Member

Joined: 2/28/05
Posts: 202

There is no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid students.

7/31/06 7:27:47 PM#43
Ok, just to help clear it up I guess a definition of legal is in order.

What Shayde and other are saying is that its not a criminal activity.  There is no federal or state (in US) criminal law against gold farming.

What the others are saying is that you have agreed to a contract and by violating it you could be brought into court (civil I guess) and face some penalty.

So I guess based on how you were looking at the word "illegal" would decide whether you thought gold farming was or not.

So really everyone is right.



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  Sago

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/28/05
Posts: 520

7/31/06 9:49:42 PM#44

Hope I am not breaking any rules by posting this. If I am it wasn't intentional, but .... Well Guys I logged into the SWGEmu.

Yup I reinstalled SWG and downloaded all the patches to get me to Patch 12.1 or maybe it was Patch 13 ... I think. That is where the game will run at  .... IF it ever gets completed.

I been posting here for a while now so most everyone should know me. I love SWG and HATE $LA and $OE.

I argued about the whether or not a SWGEmu would ever stay  up after the Federal Appeals Court handed down that ruling. Well one is up, I was on it. There was more people in Theed than what you will find in the game now. How sad.

Now to what i saw. Or maybe what i didn't see. 

  • No NPcs to speak of.
  • No creatures,
  • Bazzaar doesn't work,
  • No shuttles,
  • no crafting
  • no missions,
  • no banks,
  • planetary map is working but nothing is on it,
  • can't create waypoints,
  • no ships,
  • no resources,
  • no vehicles,
  • no travelling to shuttleports, but I did shuttle to Bestine Starport on Tatooine by using a command,
  • no player housing or cities,
  • no search functions work,
  • can't /addfriend,
  • not sure about email ... but it is there.
  • The place is pretty barren.

What i did see:

  • Chat and tells works. You can "chat" no matter what planet you are on,
  • You can walk, run, and burst run, basically all character movement is fine including swiming.
  • the HAM bar is there with Health, Action, and Mind
  • the preCU interface is all there.
  • What I REALLY enjoyed was seeing all those professions. Every profession tree I looked at was complete with specials and everything,
  • POIs were listed in the datapad but did not show up on the planetary map, nor was the column of light visible on the horizon. (I went to Theed Fallls - WP did take me to it)
  • Theed and Bestine looks complete as far as buildings go.

All in all ... it is going to be a VERY long road before this comes even close to being finished. I am VERY impressed with what the Emu guys have done thus far.

I just hope it isn't all for naught. As Stradden has pointed out, this is a gray area at best. I know what was said in the decision that was handed down by the Federal Appeals Couts regarding a WoW Emu. That decision should end all Emus located in the USA.

However, I don't really agree with the decision 100%. Example why: Unix came into existance in the late 60's. Linux was developed in the mid 80's. Linux was coded/created EXTREMELY close to Unix, to the point that they use the same commands. There was a lawsuit between the people that developed Unix and the Linux people. This lawsuit was initiated in 2003 and in 2004 a decision was handed down that essentially dismissed the case. Linux won.

I am not a lawyer nor have I researched the decision ... but I find this interesting.

Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
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  Xcathdra

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/06
Posts: 1028

"Eliminate the Impossible, and whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

7/31/06 10:12:12 PM#45

Originally posted by Sago

All in all ... it is going to be a VERY long road before this comes even close to being finished. I am VERY impressed with what the Emu guys have done thus far.

I just hope it isn't all for naught. As Stadden has pointed out, this is a gray area at best. I know what was said in the decision that was handed down by the Federal Appeals Couts regarding a WoW Emu. That decision should end all Emus located in the USA.

However, I don't really agree with the decision 100%. Unix came into existance in the late 60's. Linux was developed in the mid 80's. Linux was coded/created EXTREMELY close to Unix, to the point that they use the same commands. There was a lawsuit between the people that developed Unix and the Linux people. This lawsuit was initiated in 2003 and in 2004 a decision was handed down that essentially dismissed the case. Linux won.

I am not a lawyer ... but I find this interesting.


The goofy thing is the ruling handed down by the 8th circuit (St. Louis) only applies to the 8th circuit area. California (SOE headquarters / LEC Headwuarters) falls iwthin the 9th circuit, and it depends on where the individuals live who are working on the EMU. They can use the 8th circuit ruling as a precedent, and thats about it. The court ruled in favor of both Federal Laws (state law wont apply since it corsses state lines and uses the internet). The 8th circuit upheld both, the Fair Use Law AND the DMRA..

Sadly enough if it goes to the 9th circuit then we are screwed (commonly refered to as the 9th circus of appeals.)

Now.. lawsuits aside, hopefully LEC will get the hint that many people want a pre cu version, and do something about it. Provided the phone call was true between the EMU Devs and LEC hopefully something good will come from it.

Xcathdra

Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.

  iskareot

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/06
Posts: 2158

I like green eggs and ham, I am Isk I am.

8/01/06 3:12:07 AM#46

Originally posted by Sago

Hope I am not breaking any rules by posting this. If I am it wasn't intentional, but .... Well Guys I logged into the SWGEmu.

Yup I reinstalled SWG and downloaded all the patches to get me to Patch 12.1 or maybe it was Patch 13 ... I think. That is where the game will run at  .... IF it ever gets completed.

I been posting here for a while now so most everyone should know me. I love SWG and HATE $LA and $OE.

I argued about the whether or not a SWGEmu would ever stay  up after the Federal Appeals Court handed down that ruling. Well one is up, I was on it. There was more people in Theed than what you will find in the game now. How sad.

Now to what i saw. Or maybe what i didn't see.

  • Chat/tells works no matter what planet you are on.
  • No NPcs to speak of.
  • No creatures,
  • Bazzaar doesn't work,
  • No shuttles,
  • no missions,
  • no banks,
  • planetary map is working but nothing is on it,
  • can't create waypoints,
  • no ships,
  • no resources,
  • no vehicles,
  • no travelling to shuttleports, but I did shuttle to Bestine Starport on Tatooine by using a command,
  • no player housing or cities,
  • no search functions work,
  • can't /addfriend,
  • not sure about email ... but it is there.
  • The place is pretty barren.

What i did see:

  • Chat and tells is working,
  • I can walk, run, and burst run, basically all character movement is fine including swiming.
  • the HAM bar is there with Health, Action, and Mind
  • the preCU interface is all there.
  • What I REALLY enjoyed was seeing all those professions. Every profession tree I looked at was complete with specials and everything,
  • POIs were listed in the datapad but did not show up on the planetary map, nor was the column of light visible on the horizon. (I went to Theed Fallls - WP did take me to it)
  • Theed and Bestine looks complete as far as buildings go.

All in all ... it is going to be a VERY long road before this comes even close to being finished. I am VERY impressed with what the Emu guys have done thus far.

I just hope it isn't all for naught. As Stradden has pointed out, this is a gray area at best. I know what was said in the decision that was handed down by the Federal Appeals Couts regarding a WoW Emu. That decision should end all Emus located in the USA.

However, I don't really agree with the decision 100%. Unix came into existance in the late 60's. Linux was developed in the mid 80's. Linux was coded/created EXTREMELY close to Unix, to the point that they use the same commands. There was a lawsuit between the people that developed Unix and the Linux people. This lawsuit was initiated in 2003 and in 2004 a decision was handed down that essentially dismissed the case. Linux won.

I am not a lawyer ... but I find this interesting.


Rofl, I use Unix right now on one of my servers.. yeah the one thats been up for 265 days.

I use SuSe as well... At least they are using the good stuff.    My programmer out of Chicago is on the credits for Linux and Unix's first release ...lol needless to say he's old school.

I gotta say, if your gonna do that then Unix is the shiznit in the real IT world.  Informix for the data base rocks as well,  sure its not the most fancy but it is 10000 times more stable and secure then MS crap.

______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1

  Shayde

Novice Member

Joined: 9/26/05
Posts: 4551

The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

NOW you realize that! - Shayde

8/01/06 9:22:38 AM#47
The big Bliz decision was against the emulator (for WC3, not WoW).. was found in favor of Bliz MOSTLY because it didn't verify that the game you were using wasn't pirated.

That was the achilles heel of that defense. They argued that the emulator encouraged piracy.

Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.


It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
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8/01/06 11:00:14 AM#48

Originally posted by Shayde
The big Bliz decision was against the emulator (for WC3, not WoW).. was found in favor of Bliz MOSTLY because it didn't verify that the game you were using wasn't pirated.

That was the achilles heel of that defense. They argued that the emulator encouraged piracy.


Isn't that also the EMU that actually distributed a version of the client?  Or told you where to get it free or something?
  Shayde

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8/01/06 12:14:41 PM#49

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by Shayde
The big Bliz decision was against the emulator (for WC3, not WoW).. was found in favor of Bliz MOSTLY because it didn't verify that the game you were using wasn't pirated.

That was the achilles heel of that defense. They argued that the emulator encouraged piracy.


Isn't that also the EMU that actually distributed a version of the client?  Or told you where to get it free or something?

No.. the EMU designer didn't... but some of the people running emu servers did. But since there was no piracy protection on the EMU the court thought they helped circumvent it.

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  IcoGames

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8/01/06 12:21:21 PM#50

I'm not sure what people are really complaining about; you can discuss the emu on it's site.

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  Shayde

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The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

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8/01/06 8:02:56 PM#51

Originally posted by IcoGames

I'm not sure what people are really complaining about; you can discuss the emu on it's site.


Right up until you get squealched.

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Proud member of the Cabal.


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  Tiller

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8/01/06 10:04:50 PM#52


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  Xcathdra

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"Eliminate the Impossible, and whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

8/02/06 1:23:08 AM#53

AH... is it illegal.. is it legal... Is it criminal.. is it civil..... Is it moral, is it immoral....

Lets see... You clicked on the EUAL / TOS before install / or before actual game play... The industry already has been spanked for making yoiu give billing info before you agree to the TOS.. So they dont do that anymore..  

To violate the TOS invalidates your ability to play that particular game(according to the TOS anyways).. Criminal Violaton = Nope.. Civil = Ehh... its a stretch but id say no to this also.. The reason I say not really is because  civil liabilities have a monetary damage at the end of it. For instance selling a Jedi on Ebay could violate the TOS, and thereby they cancle your account and delete the toon.. However one could make an argument you are selling your time invested into making the Jedi... But I digress....

Is making an EMU illegal... Not yet.. No one has been succesful in arguing this point yet. Federal Fair Use Law states:

"One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the Copyright Act (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” Although fair use was not mentioned in the previous copyright law, the doctrine has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years. This doctrine has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

  1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

  2. the nature of the copyrighted work;

  3. amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

  4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”

Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.

The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of “fair use” would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered “fair” nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.

FL-102, Revised July 2006


Now... point out in there where it states the EMU is illegal... Well you cant.. its going to be through court rulings and procidents, which are there for this particular type of case...

Now the other side of the coin: Specifically Title II, not included here.. Just the basic overview of the DMCA.

http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/

http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf#search='Digital%20Millennium%20Rights%20Act'

DMCA- The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law which criminalizes production and dissemination of technology that can circumvent measures taken to protect copyright, not merely infringement of copyright itself, and heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed on May 14, 1998 by a unanimous vote in the United States Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998, the DMCA amended title 17 of the US Code to extend the reach of copyright, while limiting the liability of Online Providers from copyright infringement by their users.

Again not specific enough and needs the courts to define (and Blizzard got us on the way for this).

The EMU is not illegal being they are not asking for money in return for using the "servers". They are not asking for money to "devlop" the EMU. All being done for free, and offered for free based on the assumption you have a legally purchased game on your side.

In order for the DMCA to even be applied the entity filing the lawsuit has to have whatever they are suing for be copyrighted. Section 1201(c)(1) also states "rights, remedies ... or defense to copyright infringment, including fair use."

1201 (f) specifically covers reverse engineerings.. It permits reverse engineering if the person doing the reverse engineering has aquired rights legally (in this case they bought the game) and only if they reverse engineer to create interoprability for use with other programs (in the case the Emulator).

Long story short.. No law has been broken...  The EMU team is following established FAIR USE LAW as well as the correct portins of the DMCA law...

Now the fun part.. what started out as a civil violation turns criminal under the DMCA if the EMU team more or less profits from their creation..$500,000.00 fine and up to 5 years in prison jsut for the first offense. Very easy to cross those lines and not even know it...

Xcathdra

Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.

  iceman00

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Kevin Tierney

8/04/06 6:19:12 PM#54

Originally posted by Stradden

Hey Guys,

I feel the need to respond at this point. Not because I have been personally attacked a number of times, but because I appear not to have made the reasons clear.

Yes, Emulator servers are a gray area. That is not the reason that the decision was made to disallow discussion of the EMU in question. I have asked that people not talk about it, because of the huge number of a) threads that were created on the same subject, clogging up the forum, and b) the fact that nearly every thread concerning the EMU contained flames and other rule violations.

The simple fact of the matter is that we had decided to allow conversation about the EMU. It progressed for some time before we were forced to remove the threads because of the rules that were being violated. The topic has become troll and flame bait. It was either take this stance, or be forced into a large number of bans.

I have said before and will say again: We have no intention of censoring anyone. However, we must remember that our rules are in place to make MMORPG.com a fun place for all of our members. When one single subject takes over a forum as well as encourages people to break the rules, it is reasonable to remove those posts. 

I would also like to say that who does or does not advertise with this site has absolutely no effect on the site's content or the decisions of the site's content Editors. We have, for example, run numerous articles that denounce the secondary market (even though, as was pointed out, we do have gold-seller advertising) here is the most recent of them. We have also given poor reviews to games that advertise with us. Likewise, advertisement does not effect decisions that are made regarding the forums.

I hope that this clears things up for people. I realize that there will be some who, for whatever reason, will disagree, but I felt that the reasons for this decision should be made clear in as up-front and honest a way as possible.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager

Also, for those concerned with the virtual seller ads, there is a sticky for just that purpose:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/67413


Can verify that.  I'm doing a debate soon to be placed slamming powerleveling companies as unethical and dishonest.  I was given free reign to make those points.
  tjvoodoo

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8/05/06 5:41:45 PM#55

i dont know if you meant what i took it for but :

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

Yes every MMO i play reminds me of this .

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  OssirisWard

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8/10/06 9:17:01 AM#56

Question for you and your staff John; If the rumor of LA fully supporting the 'Ducks' becomes official, will this change your policy on this stance?

One thing I liked about this forum was that it was an open forum to discuss many things that we cannot all discuss on other forums....I did see quite a few 'duck' posts that were not flamebait or trollfood prior to the no discussion period policy.

In fact I myself was banned for 3 days from this forum for posting a thread about the 'change in attitude' reflected on the ducks' site, a thread that could have cleared up alot of negativity between some MMORPG members and the duck admins.

  tjvoodoo

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8/10/06 9:37:25 AM#57

Originally posted by OssirisWard

Question for you and your staff John; If the rumor of LA fully supporting the 'Ducks' becomes official, will this change your policy on this stance?

One thing I liked about this forum was that it was an open forum to discuss many things that we cannot all discuss on other forums....I did see quite a few 'duck' posts that were not flamebait or trollfood prior to the no discussion period policy.

In fact I myself was banned for 3 days from this forum for posting a thread about the 'change in attitude' reflected on the ducks' site, a thread that could have cleared up alot of negativity between some MMORPG members and the duck admins.


There is no confusion between me a MMORPG member and the ducks - a few of the ducks just don't get on with people to well, wheres the confusion.
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  Shayde

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The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

NOW you realize that! - Shayde

8/10/06 11:57:32 AM#58
Some supposingly new info...

Rumours? The shroud of the dark side has been lifted
Posted 1:28pm by DarthMaulUK (Community News)
Over the past couple of weeks, rumours have been flying around about a Server or group working on a Pre-CU/NGE coding for Star Wars Galaxies and that they also have source code etc to make this happen.

SWGalaxies.net can reveal that this is indeed true and Lucasarts are giving it their support, providing that they go through the LF Network, Lucasfiles and SWGalaxies.net. We can't reveal too much information at this early stage - but if you want to help, or voice your support for the project, you can join the debate on our forums

Now Audune, the Community Relations person wrote on the SWGgalaxies.net site...

Hi, I'm Audune Ado'lynn from the SWGEmu forums, and at the last thing that was mentioned to me, any and all talks we have with anyone from LA or SOE has been deemed PRIVATE and that the information has not been in any way shape or form released to the general Public at this time.

I posted this info on the emu boards, and Audune said that he's trying to see if there's any official plans to announce from LA.

Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.


It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  ShivorEhe

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8/10/06 2:00:02 PM#59

Originally posted by Shayde

I posted this info on the emu boards, and Audune said that he's trying to see if there's any official plans to announce from LA.

Shayde, can you give a link to your post on the EMU boards? Or is that problem with MMORPG?
  tjvoodoo

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8/10/06 4:41:08 PM#60

Originally posted by ShivorEhe

Originally posted by Shayde

I posted this info on the emu boards, and Audune said that he's trying to see if there's any official plans to announce from LA.

Shayde, can you give a link to your post on the EMU boards? Or is that problem with MMORPG?


We can talk about the EMU in the sticky but we cant post links to it. But if this means anything i can verify what shayde has said as true.
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