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  Dana

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7/21/06 3:25:45 PM#1

Horizons - as was announced last night - has been sold to EI Interactive. Today, MMORPG.com spoke to EI Interactive owner Ed Andercheck and Tulga Games CEO David Bowman to find out what this means for the game, its fans and the people who built it.

Ed Andercheck’s EI Interactive has purchased Horizons and, as of last Friday, the deal means that nearly everyone who worked for Tulga Games is out of a job.

“I’m a gamer and I saw a mature and exciting group of people,” explained Andercheck of why his company decided to purchase Horizons.

He added that the culture of the community, the game’s rich potential for storytelling and the way players can grow the world all made Horizons an extremely attractive product for him.

Andercheck added that his company has no plans to radically alter the course Tulga Games had laid out and hopes to stay true to the spirit of Horizons.

You can read the full report here.

Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  Copeland

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Love is where you give,
Happiness is relative.

7/21/06 3:31:07 PM#2

Bye Bye Bowman :)

I hope you never tarnish our genre again. I think i'll be playing this game a bit as soon as his involvement is completely over.

I think Tulga would find it easier to sell their engine if they fired Bowman as well. [MODERATOR: No personal attacks.]

  Parsifal57

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7/21/06 3:40:44 PM#3
I'm still baffled as to what EI think they are going to get out of the deal. Since it sounds like no staff transfers are taking place and settlements was so early that no code had been cut, it would seem than there will be no further investment in the game or development of an expansion (which was going to haev a new engine). The reason i say this is if no staff are being taken on from Tulga (and that seems to include Dev's) who is going to develop addtional content/expansions. If entirely new devs do it look out for very slow/buggy updates

This is a very strange deal, and for it to stand a chance to be at all viable there must be something else going on that is not being made public.

  Copeland

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7/21/06 4:37:58 PM#4
[Moderator: Personal attacks are not permitted, nor open to debate.]
  Jorev

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7/21/06 4:45:58 PM#5

Put a stake in it already and let it die.

I enjoyed Horizions when I played it and if it weren't for all the original management issues that dampened it's launch, it would have been successful. It's too late to try and revive the game now, it has a negative image and suffers from a low playerbase which is a game killer for a MMOG to me.


"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh

  nthnaoun

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7/21/06 7:40:24 PM#6

It sounds like a raw deal that benefited the original owners of Horizons only, while the devs and other workers are getting hosed. Horizons is better off without owners like that. I am interested to see if EI Interactive can make Horizons into a better game.

Right now I see the following wrong with the game:

Very outdated graphics

Poor billing system

No phone support

Looks as though the game is Windows based

  Wardrop

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7/22/06 8:00:50 AM#7
No pvping
No destroyable cities.I mean why build a little town and not destroy it? I mean what is there to do after you grind to death to build it?
How about a reason to craft. i mean you grind all that time for what? to sell to whom?
No real endgame at all.
blight attacks set off by the developers, its not AI controlled right. so everything is predictable.
The game was made to be a kick ass pvping game by design. instead it was turned into a marshmallow joke that no one really cared for. I mean what really is there that is worth paying a fee for?

The games mechanics are garbage and would need a total overhaul. Even still the game will never recover. Its better to build something competitive to go along with such a nice crafting system.
  Jorev

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If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

7/22/06 8:09:30 AM#8

to sell to whom?

Exactly.

I love crafting and Horizons was the best, but I don't craft just to say to  myself, "Good job working on those crafting skills for the last 4 months to become a master craftsman". If there is no one to trade with and nothing to trade for, what is the point?


"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh

  Username!

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7/22/06 8:37:11 AM#9
Well in that article, it was talking bout the the original idea of having the PvP, hopefully they will bring that, I would definitely play.
  holycannoli

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7/22/06 12:31:15 PM#10
[quote]

Andercheck added that his company has no plans to radically alter the course Tulga Games had laid out and hopes to stay true to the spirit of Horizons.[/quote]

Ok, if they want to stay true to the spirit of Horizons and not radically alter it's course, then go back to the ORIGINAL Horizons...you know, the Horizons that was supposed to have Angel PC's vs Demon PC's, lots of PvP, that insect race that's impervious to pain, smaller races able to mount and ride larger races etc.

THAT'S the Horizons I was interested in. They radically altered it into the form we see today, and it's nothing like the original idea. So how about radically altering it back to what it was originally gonna be? After the fiasco that is Dark and Light, and considering that Dark and Light was my last hope in a mmorpg after Horizons was radically altered, I need this! We all need this!

  Dana

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7/22/06 1:58:20 PM#11

Originally posted by holycannoli
[quote]

Andercheck added that his company has no plans to radically alter the course Tulga Games had laid out and hopes to stay true to the spirit of Horizons.[/quote]

Ok, if they want to stay true to the spirit of Horizons and not radically alter it's course, then go back to the ORIGINAL Horizons...you know, the Horizons that was supposed to have Angel PC's vs Demon PC's, lots of PvP, that insect race that's impervious to pain, smaller races able to mount and ride larger races etc.

THAT'S the Horizons I was interested in. They radically altered it into the form we see today, and it's nothing like the original idea. So how about radically altering it back to what it was originally gonna be? After the fiasco that is Dark and Light, and considering that Dark and Light was my last hope in a mmorpg after Horizons was radically altered, I need this! We all need this!



You did read the part about evaluating the possibility of a race war server, right?

Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  holycannoli

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Joined: 3/26/04
Posts: 235

7/22/06 2:11:06 PM#12

Ooh no I didn't. Race war server is a good start.

But it's only a start, since the current Horizons still doesn't even resemble the beloved Horizons I used to read about years ago, when it was still in it's planning stages.

  MrBoots

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Posts: 179

7/22/06 4:07:20 PM#13
The headline should have been "No Name Company buys trash bin MMO"
  Manmadegod

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Joined: 7/21/06
Posts: 505

7/22/06 4:10:39 PM#14
Basically it means the turd is still a turd. 
  Agent_X7

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Joined: 9/07/04
Posts: 494

7/22/06 4:59:01 PM#15

Originally posted by Parsifal57
I'm still baffled as to what EI think they are going to get out of the deal. Since it sounds like no staff transfers are taking place and settlements was so early that no code had been cut, it would seem than there will be no further investment in the game or development of an expansion (which was going to haev a new engine). The reason i say this is if no staff are being taken on from Tulga (and that seems to include Dev's) who is going to develop addtional content/expansions. If entirely new devs do it look out for very slow/buggy updates

This is a very strange deal, and for it to stand a chance to be at all viable there must be something else going on that is not being made public.


Read the whole article. EI makes it clear they will be interviewing the staff of Tulga for positions, and Bowman encouraged them to hire the whole staff.

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  Mysk

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Joined: 11/18/03
Posts: 982

7/22/06 9:51:55 PM#16
This has the potential to be very good.  Especially if the title is sans one individual in particular, and even more so if the new owner's leaders have smart heads on their shoulders.  Some great things could be done with the setting, you just need a little imagination.

"We'll see", as usual, but it's the first time in a very long time that the game could have a real future.


I probably don't follow the threads that I post in. If you want me to see a response then feel free to PM me.

  Ahotare

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Joined: 7/22/06
Posts: 43

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7/22/06 10:39:24 PM#17

Also note that He Who Shall Not Be Named is in fact staying on.

The bad publicity  this game has can prove a boon if the devs can turn it around, the "Ugly Duckling" principle at work.

However, from what people say about this game, that is a big "IF".  I honestly don't know if EI has the knowhow and/or resources to pull off such a feat, especially in the increasingly competitive post-WoW MMO market.

  trixz01

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Joined: 2/26/04
Posts: 6

7/23/06 3:06:13 AM#18
The race wars server would be neat i must say, but it shouldnt be required.  in a way thats probably one of the only interesting things about WoWs design.  they can have that all out attack style on the other side but its entirely voluntary, well less they enter a main city, but the idea that you have to flag your self for PvP and attacking other races is a good idea.  that way it allows for a stable world where people can PvP at times when they want that total chaos state, but it prevents griefers.  you know all those people who talk nothing but leet speak and think their big and bad because they beat up this newbie, but i do look forward to seeing what happens to the game.  in all honesty this is by far one of my most loved, but i get bored so fast with it.  they really need to fix the combat so its not so bleeping boring...coolest combat system ive seen so far was DDO, but man that entirely quest based system was annoying, not to mention inability to solo anything sucked

but all in all the craft system is the best ive seen and this game holds soo much potential for roleplaying its not even funny.    i wouldnt be surprised that if things were different we wouldnt be seeing construction companies running around (throws a timber at the forman)  oops sorry boss it slipped out of my claws
  ciid

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Joined: 5/25/04
Posts: 183

wtf was that?!

7/23/06 4:24:05 AM#19

Originally posted by Mysk
This has the potential to be very good.  Especially if the title is sans one individual in particular, and even more so if the new owner's leaders have smart heads on their shoulders.  Some great things could be done with the setting, you just need a little imagination.

"We'll see", as usual, but it's the first time in a very long time that the game could have a real future.


http://www.eiinteractive.com/

check out the website for the company buying this heap then talk about the future. Its funny like "clown car on fire" funny.Front page 4.0 for the win yo.

http://www.eiinteractive.com/contact.htm

Theres some of the new team.Two people that look like theve bean chaseing ambulances for the last 20 years and a stoner.Check out there one pimp ass office at the bottom that looks like i worn down strip mall.vegas wouldnt even take odds on this game lasting another year.

God people let it die already!

  PeterRJG

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Joined: 4/12/03
Posts: 1020

7/23/06 9:20:33 AM#20

Give Bowman some credit guys; if the "other Dave" was left in charge, Horizons would still be dreamy vapourware in search of funding, like virtually everything else the "other Dave" has thought up.

I feel sorry for HZ's close knit community though, I really do.

It'll be interesting to see where this outfit takes HZ.

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