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8/19/06 5:07:07 AM#121
About VWorld/Pix denying, I made some researchs on the official boards by combining a few words (pseudo, names, etc). Here are some interesting results: http://www.dnl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=63769&page=2&pp=20&highlight=vworld Posted by MrBloodworth
Originally Posted by Aratorn
It is based on Vincent Pourrieux's work. His company is VWorld, and his engine was presented as "the engine in the heart of MAFATE" in mid 2004.
Pourrieux left NP3 somewhere in August 2004 ( not alone ) and since then, there is quite a littel quarell between NP3 and Pourrieux around this engine Pourrieux has been developping since 1996 ( he is legally the owner of this engine ). Thats not true, well, mabye, but his case was thrown out of cort, He had no grounds for complaint, as he was hired to help create it for NP3, this is very standard. I dont even know why he tried. _______________________________________________________________________________
Posted by MrBloodworth
Originally Posted by silkr Originally Posted by silkr
What?
Vword isnt being intergrated any more in this project, anymore than it was that is, and changes to any part of it is not being made by VWorld. _______________________________________________________________________________
http://www.dnl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13397&page=3&pp=20&highlight=terrainPosted by neorapsta (Dnl Staff)
I think technically the BigWorld technology can create a 3d image of the entire planet, just you wouldnt have a computer/server atm that could handle that information
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http://www.dnl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61739&highlight=vworldPosted by neorapsta (Dnl Staff)
Um..apart from trying to create a flame bait.
First, dnl.com and guildwars.com don't look the same, unless you mean the 'link bar across the top under the logo' which has been used on websites since the invention of web design. Sorry to burst your bubble. Second, if you did your research about that guys contract, where technologies he developed while working for Farlan/np3 are the properties of that company(sorry again as its like this with every single company), He worked with them on Mafate not Vworld, if he had kept Vworld as a seperate entity he would have had something he could have done something about. Instead as your link says Vworld was the 'basis' of Mafate, that would be like all the EQ developers suing sony for their share of EQ2. _______________________________________________________________________________
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44571&page=2&pp=20Posted by dakarios
"Pandamonia" = Vincent Pourieux
Vincent Pourieux = Pissed at NPCube/Farlan Pissed Vincent = Trolling these boards under the nick "Pandamonia" to flame his former employer Rinse & repeat...  _______________________________________________________________________________
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Heh and theres old MrB with his total flimflam crap added in. Not being added in "any more" and "changes made to it"...what an ignorant mess he made of that statement eh? Oh THen we have the ignorant Neorapsta telling the world about a supposed contract? Seems to me if there is such a contract, it hardly allows for some juvenile delinquent to spout any info about it in an open public forum doncha think?? Hmm, wonder if he read the fine print about disclosing any part of the contract in public? Total asinine crap again. And he keeps it up with the statement that Pix developed this while working with NP3 although we all know it was developed since 1996 by Vincent Pouriuerx himself. Cant see how they can take all those years of development and creation from him and call it their own. Pure and utter ignorant bs. And THEN you have an accusation of a fake name or alt name on the DNL boards? WTF is wrong with these people???? Pix has been his own name and been very LOUD about all of this. Why in the hell would he then stoop to the low likes of the DNL gang and try to stomp his "former employers"? Ignorant, ignorant , ignorant. High school hijinks are NOT Vincent Pourieux's cup of tea. And lets not forget the closures and bans of those who spoke about Mr. Pouriuex and the statement made by the most ignorant and arrogant of all high school leaders, SERPICO === "In the meantime,any attempt to involve players or Alchemic Dream in this matter is not acceptable, and I will moderate it accordingly " ==== Yet the moderators themselves freely and with false blatant slander and defamation towards Mr. Pourieux involve themselves at any given point in time. The whole Farlan/NpC/AD is trash. Ignorant and self-grandiose TRASH. ***oh and as a side note: I think it would be very interesting to let you all know that a certain Quintillan, who posts here and at DNL forums sent me a PM here (and no, sorry Mr. Quintillian, I didnt sign anything nor do the rules state anywhere here that I cannot publicize a PM ) that he very much wanted to speak to me. That ALchemic Dreams has said some things about me that I may be interested in. I told him I had no intention of speaking with him in a non-public way.As far as what Allchemicals Dreams has to say about me, who gives a flying duck!!!! Very interesting the tactics of all the gang this sleazy game has displayed to the world doncha think????**** |
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8/21/06 10:14:45 AM#123
And what about that one : http://darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33126&highlight=vworldpowered [15:06] [AD]Hochka: A recent interview shows that the Vwordterrain technology keeps on improving. Will DnL benefit from gradual updates, or will DnL engine remain the same ? How could VWorldPowered (so VWorldTerrain) not have any link with Mafate on May 6, 2005, whereas Satange (aka Aurelien Merville CEO of AD) was claiming 4 months before that VWorld tech was working fine into DnL (http://darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?p=194748&highlight=vworld#post194748) Technology works fine (Bigworld, Vworld, Mafate, Loona), several recent interviews announce that the devs have funds until the release and the development is going forward everyday.
Of course, we can't control everything, especially "acts of God" but, for now, the team is really confident. Again revisionism? Or adapting answers according to the situation? Why did NPCube/Farlan refuse to admit they were (and are still) using VWorldTerrain right from the beginning of the development while they had already clearly communicated on this (http://www.pourieux.com/images/splash01.jpg and http://steff.free.fr/url050704.htm)? Why? Why developers like Dream changed their mind in saying now that they never "depended" on VWORLD and used my technology? Only because VWORLD team left the project? Or for any other reason that everybody can guess but which is not so easy to admit, because it's so totally blatant and inadmissible! They really have a knack for twisting the truth. And you know what they are telling their present salaried employees (people who don't know me for the main part of the team) to reassure them?? They just say they don't want to give any public reply not to enter my "game"; LOL when one knows how many posters flamed me and were NOT MODERATED by AD, even before I started to post on forums (!), how can people imagine that they were not giving a public answer that way and trying to ruin any attempt on my part to be given any credibility?? |
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Aye _Pix_ I agree. Theres one thing this soo reminds me of....something every kids mother has always stressed (or should have). Always tell the truth. Its easier to remember the truth, then it is to remember a lie. You see, they really are messing up big time! When you lie, you mess with the truth and with every lie you sink yourself deeper and deeper. This is exactly what DNL gang is doing. They knew the truth back then..no one questioned it. Now that they HAVE stolen the technology, they are weaving even deeper and deeper webs, tangling themselves all up in it. What kills me is cant they see? They keep wrapping these webs all around themselves and have literally caught themselves up in it and cant escape now. Theyve gone too deep. To them, the past should be erased and wiped clear. Why? Cuz it doesnt fit their new bs they are laying out there. Its the same with the game itself. Ignore the past -- the abysmall failure of SOG as well as the DNL release -- it never existed. Currently we have plans for a new staff and we umm are gonna let you pay us first to buy the game that isnt finished still and you will then be our testers for 3 months free, after the 3 months you will pay us a monthly fee in order to continue to help us test it. What? We said we did test it? No no no. That is wrong. Erase that. We never said that. What? The game isnt playable as is? No no no.That is wrong. Erase that. It has always played well. What? Its unfinished? No nonono! Now that is the truth and we said it!! Albeit after 6 months of lieing to you first but we did say it! Thats why we want you to pay us for the game, play it and work for us for free for 3 months, then afer 3 months pay us a monthly fee to work for us until we can all learn how to make a mmo run and make a good mmo! Same goes for your technology there _Pix_! Switch it around and place VWORLDTerrain in the game places and you got the same scenario. Compulsive lying. Thing is, EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE LYING!!! and they want to erase that too. Ya know? This would be an excellent psychology study in compulsive lying behavior. Wheres that college student who claims to be doing a study on gang warfare in dnl forums? Oh and btw -- theres another , or the same person prolly <shrug> also claims to be studying at a college in comp tech in which he was very interested in _Pix_'s technology, but we all know that it isnt Pix;s now is it? BAH!!!! Friggin high school tactics and bordering on the gd imbecile, special yellow bus. Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive........ very wise words ....Farlan you should listen to your momma's...... |
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8/23/06 5:25:18 PM#125
They have been caught in so many lies even they have lost count. The guy running this gang, you would think at least could manage things a little better. It appears they have lied so much with just about everything they themselves are too confused to figure out what IS the truth. always easier to remember the truth. |
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8/27/06 3:58:32 AM#126
Vincent Pourieux founded VWorld Technologies in August 2004. Previously, he had developed a dynamic 3D engine with seamless zooming in 1997. In 2002, he joined NP Cube SARL to create the 3D terrain engine for Farlan Entertainment's MMORPG Dark and Light. There were however disputes, both with a former partner and with Farlan, with many claims to parts of different engines. More about this issue can be read in the game group description of the Mafate engine. All that is quoted there is distorted or uttely false: 1- VWORLD (not VWorld Technologies) was formed in April even if registration was fully done in June as you can see here http://www.societe.com/cgi-bin/recherche?rncs=453448052 . In France, the registration of a company takes 1 to 3 months. We formed VWORLD end of April 2004, full registration was done in June, but certainly not in August. August was the date I stopped working for NPCube (I officially resigned on July 31st). NPCube would really really want people to swallow I formed VWORLD only after I quit them. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE TRUTH, however hard they try make people believe that. 2- I did not join NP Cube SARL: I co-founded this company with V. Pelisson, L.Paret , C.Nazaret, C.Jacquet,and two companies of CEO A.Chane-Pane and CEO F. Caillé. So I was one of the main sharehoders. This was written everywhere (on NPCube's former website, in numerous articles). I resigned from NPCube on July 31st, 2004 and I sold my shares end of 2004 . So now they would want me to have been a salaried employee that only joined them!! 3- My job was not to create the 3D terrain engine while at NPCube. The engine was already done when I signed my salaried employee contract at NPCube in March 2003. I've been working for NPCube as a subcontractor before that date on my own company, CPU Software, and I never brought them VWorldTerrain's IP. My salaried employee real contract, the one I have with my signature, stipulates that I entered the company as R&D Manager in March 2003, there is NO MENTION is this contract that I was hired to develop a technology for the client part of DnL. I was there to direct a team to develop a game engine making use of my technology, so to adapt VWorldTerrain for the client part of the game's needs.
And you know what??? I wrote him recently to remind him that he had to put himself in comformity to the law as regards to respecting my IP rights (because they'd previously asked- July- for extra time to give me a reply, I was giving NPCube an ultimate deadline to the 28th of August before legal things move from negociations status to irreversible court action). BTW, to all people who asked me here to publish my contract to prove the fact I was not employed to develop a technology, will they ask now that I publish the fake contract the CEO of NPCube made? Maybe I could also publish some very interesting documents in which he claims now that Farlan bought another technology to develop Mafate engine? (yes, this is very new! finally Mafate Engine was not a 100% in-house developed, contrary to what they told everybody before http://www.mmorpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10053&prstyle=1&ID=926&sid=9e00c4d9d102408668f418ea9c4794ab or http://www.mmhell.com/articles/120604/dark_and_light_interview_2.html and etc...) IT'S BEEN YEARS THESE PEOPLE PROCEED THAT WAY. THEY OUGHT TO BE STOPPED AND THE WHOLE STORY ABOUT DnL ADDRESSING THE CHINESE MARKET MAKES ME FEEL THEY ARE RUNNING FOR ESCAPE FROM LAW. To come back to the bio on MobyGames' subject, the only thing this surprise very recently added bio is presenting is the "Mafate issue" (and it does not even mention the name of the technology and does not bother to link the appropriate dedicated website www.vworldterrain.com ! ). This is my bio ? My professional life should be resumed to this issue only? Whereas I started in 1988 in the gaming industry (I mean as a professional, because if we consider things in a broader perspective, I did my first game at 14, so much earlier than that). I've been working for Infogrames (more than 15 titles, including blockbusters like Smurfs, Asterix and Obelix, Tintin or like Alone in the Dark II and III), for SEGA of America (Toxic Avengers), for Activision (Pitfall 3D, which was not released BTW), for Cryo Entertainment (another Asterix and Obelix title), for Microïds (Speed Demons) and others. Sorry to have to remind people of all this, but it seems that if I do not proceed that way, other people will continue to distort the truth, behind my back, as usual. Look what should be a "normal" bio http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,13090/ (L.Paret, NPCube) or http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,2244/ (C.Nazaret, NPCube) Moreover this links to "3D Engine Mafate" in which the entire reply from Farlan to the WarCry article is quoted and NOT the entire article from the WarCry journalist itself. Instead the contributor to "3D Engine Mafate" subject ( http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/3d-engine-mafate ) more than misinterprets what was stated in the article and adds numerous facts that are simply not true. You know what: all the infos on Mobygames are supposed to be verified before being published. It seems somebody did not do his job here. Much on the contrary. I will of course ask for an edit and will try to put my real bio. We will see how much time the present bio will stay on-line. After having tried to destroy my credibility with this story of Mafate being a 100% in-house development and with allegations I was salaried to develop a 3D client engine (not true) from the beginning of my contribution to NPCube (not true again), it seems now this is not sufficient: people are trying now to destroy my professional carreer. 28th of August is tomorrow. I think an update on Pourieux.com should come within the next few weeks. I think I will need again to shed more light on this outraging story. EDIT: oh my god. They are quick at Mobygames. My PR requested an edit, and they published it entirely. the link on Mafate Engine description is still working though. Interesting read I copy/paste here http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/3d-engine-mafate Games using a version of the Mafate engine (original or modified) by NP Cube SARL. NP3 company has faced slanderous and deceptive remarks. In agreement with its ethics of transparency and respect towards customers and players who grant the company their confidence, NP3 wishes to bring light to the topics discussed, and to put an end to these allegations with this announcement. I am going to ask to edit this, too, since it works quite well. Easy to spread rumors like this. Interesting case for studies about rumours phenomena, isn't it, Quintillian ? |
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8/27/06 1:04:44 PM#127
Am getting very interested in this whole case and expecially how the DnL team is acting towards the community, former employees and how they are treating Pix. Think i dive in this one, might be a way of fun too get to the bottom of it (not ment bad Pix towards you dont get me wrong. After all i read so far and heard about the DnL team there isnt much dispute who's the guilty part in this mess)
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This one seems to have had its facts straightened out: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,78701/ Developer BIOVincent Pourieux started as a programmer at Infogrames in 1988. After having successfully contributed to the development of a dozen products, including blockbusters such as Asterix and Obelix, The Smurfs, Tintin…, he reached the position of consoles department Team Manager. |
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8/28/06 2:48:04 AM#129
Yes, indeed. Anyway it continues to link to the Mafate Engine, thanks to the only sentence left from the Belgium contributor description (Sciere): "Some issues about this project can be read in the description of the Mafate engine." Interesting to note Sciere brought a lot of information about DnL, on August 15th http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/dark-and-light Press releases: http://www.mobygames.com/game/dark-and-light/adblurbs Companies: (SnailGame, NPCube and Farlan) http://www.mobygames.com/stats/new_companies/offset,15/so,2d/ 3D Engine: (Mafate, but no technical description of this game engine) http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/3d-engine-mafate And developers bio: (mine). http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/bio/developerId,78701/ However it seems there is some lack of info on some of the other developers, since there is no bio of C.Jacquet, S.Quilichini and G.Zedde. Maybe it's because it is the first game they contributed to. |
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8/28/06 4:53:31 PM#130
I've been banned 7 times from the DnL forums and had my IP addresses locked out.(Don't ask me why I keep going back...DnL is like watching a train wreck in progress, I just can't take my eyes off it.) But at least 2 times it was a subject such as this one. I couldn't tell you offhand. What I find all very interesting is that if Farlan had feelers out in the forums...such as the bots, didn't they see the way the community is sliding downhill in a hurry? I mean, what is their true motivation if this is the case? Could the rumors to the effect that they are just trying to grab as much cash as they can before the shit hits the fan be true??? But then, why the 3 free months? Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games. |
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8/28/06 5:39:12 PM#131
Easy. People have to buy the game to get the 3 months "free". That gives them 3 months to collect as much cash from game sales as possible and then simply disappear. |
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8/28/06 7:19:00 PM#132
That would explain why they sent people here to post high ratings for this game. Draw in new blood (suckers) to pay the 39.99. And perhaps the 3 free months is intended to passify the remaining fanbase so no more refunds will be asked for not to mention added incentive for noobs...Good point Zorvan! Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games. |
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8/29/06 4:19:56 AM#133
As Zorvan said, people who want to play DnL have to buy it, even if it's free for 3 months till November. And then Farlan/NPCube will maybe offer others packs, such as Reconquest Premium Pack, including a flying pink Dodo and a Collector Badge of the land of Ganareth they will send... soon (but easier to do than a Pioneer map, isn't it?) And for all the new subscribers, they will certainly offer a new monthly payment system, including a new exclusive canceling process called "etc" (Easy To Cancel): the user will have to send an e-mail to CB and then to AD 3 months later and finally will need writing his bank to cancel his subsciption and then call the Rangers and...etc,etc etc.... (well... a cancel button is too hard to develop, you know, etc system is the future and is cost-effective). Anyway, they will do all they can to make DnL survive because of Snailgame. According to the French forums, apparently they plan to release the Chinese version of DnL by mid 2007. If DnL dies, Snailgame will no doubt be very unhappy with this. Imagine: would you be satisfied of having put 40 people working hard on your game project if this project has already experienced total failure in his western version ... Another reason to me is that they want to resell "their" game engine. They already had some articles alluding to the fact that they wanted to work with the instutional sector (like the University of Reunion Island), and of course they know which branches of industry VWorldTerrain is targeting.(BTW, VWorldTerrain was used in a French Atomic Energy Commission project years before NPCube was formed). Besides they are working with BW, wich is also present in these sectors...We failed in video game industry? Well let's see if we could try serious games and the institutionnal sector. But maybe I'm wrong: they just want to finish DnL.(no pun intended) |
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8/29/06 6:35:37 AM#134
Heh they are using the basic thing humans fall for: FREE. People tend to forget that nothing is free on this world and the customer will always be paying to get something free. But besides that i cant understand people who are still givng their creditcard number to companies like that. Dont they do some research before buying a product. I wanted DnL to go live. I wanted to play DnL because of all the promises they made. But seeying all the crap that happened in the few months before it went live i rather give my creditcard number to the junks in the street then that company. At least the junks will tell you they abuse it, that company will grin in your face......i hate dishonesty, i hate lying. |
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8/29/06 6:37:23 AM#135
As Zorvan said, people who want to play DnL have to buy it, even if it's free for 3 months till November. And then Farlan/NPCube will maybe offer others packs, such as Reconquest Premium Pack, including a flying pink Dodo and a Collector Badge of the land of Ganareth they will send... soon (but easier to do than a Pioneer map, isn't it?) And for all the new subscribers, they will certainly offer a new monthly payment system, including a new exclusive canceling process called "etc" (Easy To Cancel): the user will have to send an e-mail to CB and then to AD 3 months later and finally will need writing his bank to cancel his subsciption and then call the Rangers and...etc,etc etc.... (well... a cancel button is too hard to develop, you know, etc system is the future and is cost-effective). Anyway, they will do all they can to make DnL survive because of Snailgame. According to the French forums, apparently they plan to release the Chinese version of DnL by mid 2007. If DnL dies, Snailgame will no doubt be very unhappy with this. Imagine: would you be satisfied of having put 40 people working hard on your game project if this project has already experienced total failure in his western version ... Another reason to me is that they want to resell "their" game engine. They already had some articles alluding to the fact that they wanted to work with the instutional sector (like the University of Reunion Island), and of course they know which branches of industry VWorldTerrain is targeting.(BTW, VWorldTerrain was used in a French Atomic Energy Commission project years before NPCube was formed). Besides they are working with BW, wich is also present in these sectors...We failed in video game industry? Well let's see if we could try serious games and the institutionnal sector. But maybe I'm wrong: they just want to finish DnL.(no pun intended)
2) Did i read that right? "French atomic energy" We better find a new solar system before they are getting involved in that sort of stuff. |
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8/29/06 2:41:20 PM#136
Wow -Pix_!!! If I knew you had such a good sense of humor I would've contacted you long ago. You're not the arrogant, self rightious, dildodong that the fanbois of DnL have you pegged to be! I am of course assuming that you are the real -Pix_ . It would be very pointless for someone to pretend to be Pix since that would be such a tiny little tingling of the nut sac that to do so would be pointless. And I am, of course, being completely serious. Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games. |
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8/29/06 2:46:34 PM#137
LOL!!! My thoughts exactly!!!! Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games. |
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9/01/06 3:11:34 AM#138
Hello tepthtanis, Yes, I am definitely the real _Pix_ and I'm giving you a good tip to check: If one day you read a post from me saying NPCube/Farlan are cutting-edge techology companies (as I've just read from the CEO of SnailGame), this would be for 2 possible reasons only: In both cases, DnL fanbois will be told to say RIPPix. Alas for them, that day hasn't come yet. Fanbois said I was an arrogant and self-righteous kind of person? So strange... they are not supposed to know me since I never made any interview with them, never met them. The only people I discussed with from the DnL community were people from SoF at E3, and I cannot consider them as fanbois anyway. Only cesar, Vuuar or Zedux were in charge of meeting their future customers and had a chance to discuss with fanbois (in what they call IRLs). Maybe one or two well-intentionned someones gave me a bad rep. Interesting, very new concept! LOL |
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9/01/06 5:29:55 AM#139
This was also my thinking after I saw at the E3 using DnL just as a ShowCase at the BigWorld booth. The game itself was only little advertised - the main focus was to show the capabilities of the world engine - which is the only good part of this "game". |
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9/01/06 5:39:20 AM#140
This must have been Bluenose, Delta and CheeseMouse back in 2003 if I remember right. SoF got 5 free entry tickets for the E3. Sadly I lacked the time back then to join them or we would have met. Looking back today I could bite my ass for nt having met you.  |
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