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This is truly incredible. The mods reaction was one of trying to involve AD in this thread -- where the hell did they get that? BS excuse to lock away any information when a poster gives the truth -- yet a fanboi can bring up insults and false info with nothing. Serpico is an azzhat to the extreme. NP3 is running scared by _Pix_ and should be! PRoblem they have is they are allowing it to show. |
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I just can't put my finger on their #1 fan. I go to work, I go home, I go to the store, pre-school, mall, the works, I see all age groups on a daily basis yet he or she doesn't seem to fit into any of the categories. Weird I tell ya. |
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Wait, what am I missing. Someon point me to a thread where Vuur and pix had an argument. plz |
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Found it.... or part of the debate anyways. Though I am confused, i thought Farlan/Np3 setle with them out of court about 2 years ago... because there was talk about Dark & Light being canceled for stealing code. translation to the 1st link: Let us speak a little some practise in the Indian Ocean… My name is Vincent Pourieux, alias Pix, for those which perhaps know me my beginnings in the industry of the video game, 18 years ago. I am an inventor of a procedural technology of returned ground 3D real time, technology which I initially called V-world, then VWorldTerrain, whose first algorithms were developed in 1996. This technology was already used, inter alia, in the ludo-educational software Eingana 1.0 and Eingana 1.5 marketed in 2001 and 2003, software presenting the first simulation 3D real time of the whole Earth, on 2 Cd-ROMs PC. VWorldTerrain technology is marketed exclusively by company VWORLD. I am also a ex-member of the team of development of the MMORPG Dark and Light developed not the company réunionnaise NPCube and published by the offshore oil rig company Farlan Mauritian. I was founder member of the company NPCube, limited liability company founded in September 2002. I was paid of this same company of March 2003 to July 2004, date on which I gave my resignation. I thereafter sold my shares with the capital of NPCube in December 2004. Let us specify that no technological contribution was made on this company, for some technology that it is, and that its founder members did everything an only numerary contribution. It proves that Dark and Light made use of the engine of play Mafate developed by the NPCube company for the realization of this MMORPG. Mafate (thus Dark and Light) very largely uses VWorldTerrain technology in its version 2002. Technology presented at the time the following characteristics - without however which they all were used for the development of Mafate: - satellite use of data of various formats and resolutions - wide world without cargo loading areas - creation of procedural data in real time - infinite field of vision and management of the rotundity of planet - dynamic management of the weather and the climatic phenomena - procedural management ALF - solid drop shadows in real time (system of ray-casting) for the ground and the objects - daylight and artificial dynamic - simulation of the true vault of heaven and the stars - integration of cities per automatic extrusion - dynamic management of the vegetation - terra-forming real time for the ground and the buildings - tools of edition of scenes in returned the 3D This list is not-exhaustive there but is not the goal of my matter. I specify again that the engine of play Mafate uses part of these functionalities in their simplified version, whereas others, more complex, were not used (extrusion of the buildings, terra-forming real time of the ground, data satellite in multi-formats and resolutions, infinite field of vision, inter alia). It does not remain about it less than Mafate made use of VWorldTerrain and than thanks to that, Dark and Light is a project which asserts the greatest surface of play ever realized, as well as a management of natural landscapes or a dynamic weather, characteristics still today innovating in the sector of the MMORPG. This use of VWorldTerrain was not possible in 2002, 2003 and until August 2004, only parce what I personally authorized the NPCube company, and this for the only development of the MMORPG Dark and Light, and only within the following framework: surface world of 40.000 km2, important field of vision, single world waiter. However, it proves that the NPCube company does not respect my intellectual property, while refusing since 1 year and half to make be reproduced the use of VWordTerrain technology in its official communication on the development of Dark and Light. Moreover, the NPCube company announces to use its “technology owner” by quoting the engine of play Mafate, without specifying that Mafate makes use of VWorldTerrain technology, which I regard as an attack with my royalty and a violation of the copyright which is attached to it. In addition, the NPCube company refuses to pour royalties on the realizable potential benefit on the future sales of the product Dark and Light. We have, my lawyer and myself, of course done what is necessary near the NPCube company and to its council to try to find a solution friendly. We however ran up against a wall of fallacious reasons and it thus appears necessary, before the marketing of Dark and Light, to specify with its potentials purchasers which the NPCube company does not respect the international code of the intellectual property. It goes obviously without saying that I do not authorize the NPCube company to be continued to use VWorldTerrain technology for the development of the MMORPG Dark and Light (or any other project), as it is still the case today. An action at law seems to us to be today the only possible exit. Some useful bonds: |
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So November 2005, Pix withdrew authorization to utilize the VWorld technology he developed? Forgive my simplicity in all matters regarding computers or law.. The gist is if he wins his case either a monetary settlement will have to be made or pull the plug?
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NSberserk
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Joined: 5/12/06
DnL dev: Guys, I think I''ve just found a program in my bug. |
I'm still waiting for Serpico to send me the board rules he said he would send me on the french forums.
Guess I'll have to log in witha new ID and ask for them again. |
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NSberserk, you got banned for your post in that thread? You didn't even do anything other than post links. Those mods are horrible. Probably the worst I've ever seen. Too damn trigger happy.
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NSberserk
Novice Member
Joined: 5/12/06
DnL dev: Guys, I think I''ve just found a program in my bug. |
yep, got banned for this:
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One more time, as you posted something similar in another thread : Regarding this matter, please remember this post, in french : http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/...88&postcount=36 The related part can be translated as follow : Quote:
There is also this post here http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/...653&postcount=2 and more specifically : Quote:
Some users already tried to net a reaction from Alchemic Dream in order to have us involved in this conflict, which can't be tolerated. NSWise, you already got warnings before for presenting your personnal opinion as a fact, you insisted regarding this matter despite my last warning, this time you're banned. So basically, prior to posting, I should have read all the forums to find those 2 messages where he states that AD don't want to hear about this issue and that they will ban anybody who mentions it. |
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Hmmm... what an interesting thread on the official boards. I am learning there than DnL fanbois are also Pix hatebois. Particularly the famous IKShadow who, non content with having spread false rumors, still strives to shoot me down in flames. Maybe he is simply a bot, (badly) programmed by Farlan/NPCube. BTW, remember when he claimed that I had already lost a previous case against Farlan (or anyone else)? I know for certain now who told him this and who asked him to spread these rumors: Farlan/NPCube themselves did since I was told by members of the new developement team at NPCube that their management had told them that there was no problem with me, that there were no Intellectual Property issues on the dev since I had already lost a case on VWorldTerrain IP property! This is beyond all expectations!!!! And before I came along with three bailiffs, upon court order, to make a report on NPCube's non-authorized usage of the technology two weeks ago, most of NPCube's programmers were far from believing that they were in fact hackers. Some knew about it but I guess did not want to rock the boat not to lose their job. I am therefore not at all surprised to see that the systematic truth hiding process continues: AD locks each and every thread mentionning the issue, particularly those linking www.pourieux.com. They are by this very fact acting as accomplice with NPCube/Farlan. I already sent them a read receipt e-mail stressing the partial attitude they were taking on in their community management and public statements. They acted just like NPCube: no answer. For the record, sorry this is going to be quite boring, but apparently a few more facts need to be stated : October 2005: No settlement is found. NPCube claims ownership as to the terrain algorithms used in DnL/Mafate. Beginning of www.pourieux.com. January 2006: Formal demand for NPCube not to use VWorldTerrain anymore. No answer. June 2006: Certified report by bailiff that NPCube is still using VWorldTerrain 's original 1996-2002 algorithms. Apparently NPCube tried hard to modify the original code, but it seems that the result is not beyond all expectations.
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NSberserk
Novice Member
Joined: 5/12/06
DnL dev: Guys, I think I''ve just found a program in my bug. |
Farlan/NP3/AD are sitting on an active volcano but dismiss it as a simple hill...
Some people will be really surprised when their ass catch fire. The sooner the better though Good luck with all this Pix. |
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further shows the ignorance, arrogance and utter ineptness of the entire Farlan/NPC fiasco. Not to mention the shills/fanbois/mods/ and their own non compliance with the actual facts. Desperation breeds desperate acts. This whole DNL/Farlan/NPC fiasco is disgusting. |
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LOLOLOLOL Touche' _Pix_! Maybe they are thinking if they ignore it , it will simply go away....... seems to be what they are doing with the game anyway LOLOLOLOL |
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1) The guy who developed VWorldTechnology (VWT) was an employee and shareholder of NPCube and authorized the use of some aspect of the VWT to NPCube. 2) The guy then quit and sold his shares in NPCube. However, he does not require NPCube to stop using VWT. 3) The guy wants NPCube to acknowledge that the game uses VWT so that he can sue for royalty payments. He can't sue for royalty payments until NPCube acknowledges that it does indeed use VWT. Now, IF NPCube were to acknowledge that DnL uses VWT, then the guy might be entitled to royalty payments. Currently, he is not making any money off of DnL because he sold his shares in NPCube. From a legal/financial perspective, NPCube is smart NOT to acknowledge using VWT, because that opens them up to having to potentially pay royalty payments. Thus, the guy has to make two legal victories: first win the right to have NPCube acknowledge that it uses VWT, then win another legal fight that he is due royalty payments. Hence, they will make him jump through two legal hurdles instead of just one. Furthermore, who knows the exact legal requirements in the country that NPCube is registered. If DnL shuts down in the next 3-5 months (a high possibility), the guy might be better off not having VWT associated with DnL. Of course, in the 1% chance that the game lasts longer than 6 months, he could make a lot of money from royalty payments. Hope that explains the legal/financial issue. You really can't blame AD for wanting to shut down any discussion on VWT, since it could be used in legal papers/discovery against NPCube. |
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as accomplices? (sp?) I didnt read where he said he sold a portion of the technology but I will read again. I think I need _Pix_ to clarify that issue however. |
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SBE1, you made some good points, but your forgot 2 important things: - NPCube already acknowledged that DnL was making use of VWorldTerrain - The proof is now done that they are still using it And you are wrong when you focus on -indeed highly hypophetical- royalty payment: my case is about IP rights: authorization was given provided that communication was made upon VWorldTerrain as the terrain technology used in DnL. Whether the product as a whole is good or bad is not the matter. But you are you are correct, as you I'm not sure the best is the associate VWT to DnL. But I prefer to put NPCube in front of their lies: their attitude is dangerous and it's probably the first time in the video game sector such a company acts that wrongly. The non-respect of IP rights is the worst thing in our job. If I let them violate these rights, others will try with others programmers/companies. Not to mention the deliberate lying to the face of the community members. As for AD, I am stating once again that they are already more than linked with NPCube/Farlan's deeds, since they officially stated that their client was well within its rights. Sorry, it cannot be said today AD is acting impartially and does not try to protect their client, against the community members's best interest to be told the truth (which is IMO preferable before you buy any product). It is utterly simplistic to summarize my case to a -once again highly hypothetical- royalty problem. It's about respect for the work done, this industry is not particularly respectful of authors and technical guys, except maybe in the US. But NPCube has gone beyond anything I have experienced so far. I don't see why I would not go on claiming my rights, and this has nothing to do with the quality of the product they released. |
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no, I never sold any part of the technology to anyone. Anyway sorry but I don't see your point : did I miss a quote in which AD stated that I did indeed sell part of VWT? |
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Good reply. I understand it's frustrating developing something and not getting credit. But, as the saying goes, "rich is better than famous". Anyway, the good news about the VWT is that it seems to be about the only thing working in DnL, so you might be able to license it to another game company, after hiring some expensive lawyers to review the contract. But seriously, I really think not being affiliated with this disaster might be better in the long-run for you. Ironic how things usually work out for the best in life. I certainly is an interesting technology that players like. I think DnL took it too far with the size, and then had the challenge of actually filling the world (hence the massive amount of bugs). DnL is going to close, sooner than later more likely. Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but I'd be focusing on taking the successful terrain application that DnL showed VWT works, and get contracts with other companies. Best of luck. VWT is pretty cool stuff. |
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SBE stated this in his post: The following list are the key issues: 1) The guy who developed VWorldTechnology (VWT) was an employee and shareholder of NPCube and authorized the use of some aspect of the VWT to NPCube. 2) The guy then quit and sold his shares in NPCube. However, he does not require NPCube to stop using VWT I think Lilbo thought he meant the technology, not your share of the company. :P |
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I just said that, based upon what I read, he sold his shares in the company when he left. He didn't sell the technology (from what I know). The VWT was created before he joined NPCube, so it is not the property of NPCube. Had he created VWT while employeed at NPCube, then this wouldn't be an issue. Anyway, this game is so dead, it's almost a pointless argument beyond just giving credit where credit is due. |
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Good luck pix. I dislike this company plainly based on their ethics, or lack of. I was once excited for the game. Normally I buy games to form my own opinion on them. But it just never felt right to me and I didn't rush out and buy it. I am so glad I waited. This is hands down the worst gaming company I've ever seen. Lie cheat and steal seems to be their motto. If someone says anything negative, those worthless mods from AD change the text in your post, insult you and then ban you for insulting people. The worst customer service I have ever seen.
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You are dealing with novices who don't understand the difference between allowed use, rented use, licensed use, and the IP being sold. Explaining proper business is like hearding drunk cats; sure, it is possible but far from worth the pain and suffering from the effort. |
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I simply misread the statement. No need for insults nor to turn this thread into a flame. Uncalled for. |
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LilBoPeep, I just wanted to make sure I not miss any info and my statements were clear enough. And granted all this issue is not trivial, so you were right in simply asking for clarifications. I'm trying to answer if I'm around. You made again a good point: I never sold any portion of VWT. BTW would like to thank people who wish me good luck and spend time to understand the situation. @Vyava: The novices who don't have any clue of what are IP rights or who prefer to ignore these rights are certainly NPCube/Farlan. |
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Pix, you have all my support. Back in 2001, i had an interview with you in Lyon, and what you showed me at that time was certainly impressive. It's a real shame that the situation evolved the way it happened. As a programmer, it's pretty clear to me that the D&L team, lacking the research phase you made and experience you had, could have never replaced the terrain engine by their own version in a couple months only. Plus, even if only a few hundred of lines of code from your original work are remaining, it is enough to be considered a derivative work, meaning that they owe you credits.. and more. How's the legal situation progressing ?
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I was using novices in reference to NPCube, not anyone else. If that was misunderstood, sorry wasn't the intent. |
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