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Originally posted by Themistoles

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Originally posted by Vyava

You are rather poor at battling with symantics. GW overtaking WoW is in reference to ratings, not player base.

Ratings mean nothing when all those game that are on top are poorer than a shit house rat. Money talks and bullshit walks, not to mention these polls (or ratings) are non-scientific and therefore useless.

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So your opinion is greater than all others? By the by, rats make fairly good pets. Oh and the MMOchart is not done scientifically, so where did you get the 6mil number?

Double standards are a pain in the arse huh?

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Originally posted by Vyava

So your opinion is greater than all others? By the by, rats make fairly good pets. Oh and the MMOchart is not done scientifically, so where did you get the 6mil number?

Double standards are a pain in the arse huh?

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Originally posted by Vyava

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Originally posted by Themistoles

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Originally posted by Fenrir767
How Guild Wars overtook WoW is quite simple actually.

What exactly did Guild Wars overtake WoW on? WoW now holds +50% of the entire mmorpg market. Instead of declining in population, it's growing ever larger. When the  expansion is released, WoW will get another surge in subscriptions.

GW is free and yet it can't even give it's subscriptions away.

Despite all the complaining about WoW, numbers speak louder than whines and 6,000,000 people are subscribed to WoW, making it the most popular and largest played mmorpg in history, free or otherwise.

WoW may have a horrible end-game in the eyes of many and I agree. But if WoW is truly terrible, Blizz it' still laughing all the way to the bank with a fist full of dollars.

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You are rather poor at battling with symantics. GW overtaking WoW is in reference to ratings, not player base. Read the asterix by the 6mil number from Vivendi then get back to me, to sum up ~50% of the MMO player base has played WoW at some point not currently playing. Lets not get into the inaccuracies in MMOchart.com because apparently people who quote it have issues with reading comprehension from the data page...

WoW is huge not saying otherwise. It has a group hold on a single tiny market of the power gamer min/maxer (ppl going for rank 14 etc)...but that is not the primary player base at all. I know many many people in real life who love WoW for exactly what others hate, fast progression and simplicity. That is what the real argument is over. You progress exceedingly quickly in WoW upto 60 and it is fun with little grinding.

After that it all depends on being in the right guild with the right schedule for you to participate in raiding or preset BG groups. People who spent months getting to 60 and their tier 0 sets get disheartened. WoW has been a lot of people's first real MMO so when they realize much of what is left is all raiding without realizing that raiding is common "end game content" they rate it harshly. These players often bounce around various free trials. After that many leave the MMO genre after their short run leaving razed hearts.

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Originally posted by Fenrir767

Despite all the complaining about WoW, numbers speak louder than whines and 6,000,000 people are subscribed to WoW, making it the most popular and largest played mmorpg in history, free or otherwise.

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6 millon lol, numbers dont matter, most of the 6million quit

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Originally posted by ElnatorI love that Blizzard took their time with the initial release and got it pretty right (I don't like WoW but they did release a solid and relatively bug free game.  Where they are coming up short is getting updates out in a timely manner.

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Originally posted by Syagrius

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Originally posted by ElnatorI love that Blizzard took their time with the initial release and got it pretty right (I don't like WoW but they did release a solid and relatively bug free game.  Where they are coming up short is getting updates out in a timely manner.

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For me, I liked WoW very early on and I thought that the PvE aspect was pretty good. However,  I don't have a lot of time to raid for the best equipment and for me the PvE went out the window once I turned 60.

I did level a few chars but found it to be monotonous after awhile, so I cancelled my account for about 4 months. Went back and it was fun again for awhile and now I'm going to cancel again until the expansion is released.

I certainly like WoW from 1 - 59, but once I hit 60 I find the game can longer hold my interest.

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Originally posted by rockin_ufo

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Originally posted by Fenrir767

Despite all the complaining about WoW, numbers speak louder than whines and 6,000,000 people are subscribed to WoW, making it the most popular and largest played mmorpg in history, free or otherwise.

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6 millon lol, numbers dont matter, most of the 6million quit

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Originally posted by DamonVile

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Originally posted by rockin_ufo

6 millon lol, numbers dont matter, most of the 6million quit

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most ?

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Well, 6mil*12*15= a touch over 1 billion net income from WoW alone per year.

Quote from sharholder site:

Blizzard Entertainment, best known for its Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo franchises, has taken the online games market by storm with World of Warcraft, the world's most popular MMO game. With more than six million customers (February, 2006), World of Warcraft is the only MMO game playing in all key markets including North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, China and Taiwan.

Definition of customer by VU: Purchased a copy of a game or participated in a trial period

Since Blizzard profits make up less than 10% of the VU net income and VU is not making over 10 billion a year...you all can do mathe right?

Edit: VU 2005 info

2005 (IFRS)

>> Revenues    
641 million euros

>> Earnings from operations
41 million euros

Conclusion, not 6mil concurrent subscribers. Do the mathe, think about it.

ppl may say what they want but it's a fakt that the most gamers play wow.
Maybe oldschool online roleplay gamers are not so happy with it but the new generation which is very big likes WoW. And many of the old gamers too
It has to be at least in the Top10

Im bored and i dont care either way but do those figures take into account overheads, tax and such like? Plus theres conversion for the currency. Youre quoting dollars and euros and  Yank billions(100million) and euro billions(1000million). Might have something to do with the descrepancy.

Either way you guys are arguing over something you cannot for definite  prove or otherwise aint ya? lol.

Its a game.

Its not life.

Like arguing that apples are better than oranges cause oranges take too long to eat since they need peeling yet bananas have skin and apples can be peeled so which is better.

Most post about OMFGIHATETHISGAMEITSTOOL33TANDIHATEMYMOTHER!!AAHHH are teenage angst and  ramblings lol. Just ignore em.

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Originally posted by Elnator Read the rest of my post :)  Sounds like you're agreeing with me 100% :)

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Originally posted by vendris

Guild Wars Conquers Two Million

ArenaNet's MMORPG passes a sales milestone.

"June 19, 2006 - Though there's a certain MMORPG everyone aready knows is huge, there's more than one such game racking up hefty sales numbers. NCsoft today announced that the Guild Wars titles from developer ArenaNet -- which include the just-released Guild Wars Factions -- have sold more than two million copies worldwide since the game first launched in April 2005"

" As another point of pride, Guild Wars Factions topped the PC sales charts for May, according to The NPD Group."

So, now, can all the people on this site who claim that guildwars is doing horribly, or is "small", or whatever, please, kindly, shut up?

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Originally posted by Vyava

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Originally posted by DamonVile

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Originally posted by rockin_ufo

6 millon lol, numbers dont matter, most of the 6million quit

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most ?

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Well, 6mil*12*15= a touch over 1 billion net income from WoW alone per year.

Quote from sharholder site:

Blizzard Entertainment, best known for its Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo franchises, has taken the online games market by storm with World of Warcraft, the world's most popular MMO game. With more than six million customers (February, 2006), World of Warcraft is the only MMO game playing in all key markets including North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, China and Taiwan.

Definition of customer by VU: Purchased a copy of a game or participated in a trial period

Since Blizzard profits make up less than 10% of the VU net income and VU is not making over 10 billion a year...you all can do mathe right?

Edit: VU 2005 info

2005 (IFRS)

>> Revenues    
641 million euros

>> Earnings from operations
41 million euros

Conclusion, not 6mil concurrent subscribers. Do the mathe, think about it.

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Originally posted by Pride7 You really have no idea what you are talking about.  First, the report was from 2005.  They didn't break 5.5 million subs until 2006.  Second, not everyone pays $15 a month.  In China they pay per hour.  Finally, here is the FULL defination of a WOW subscriber "“World of Warcraft customers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or purchased a prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the installation box bundled with one free month access. Internet Game Room players that have accessed the game over the last seven days are also counted as customers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired pre-paid cards. Customers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules.” 

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Originally posted by Themistoles

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Originally posted by Pride7 You really have no idea what you are talking about.  First, the report was from 2005.  They didn't break 5.5 million subs until 2006.  Second, not everyone pays $15 a month.  In China they pay per hour.  Finally, here is the FULL defination of a WOW subscriber "“World of Warcraft customers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or purchased a prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the installation box bundled with one free month access. Internet Game Room players that have accessed the game over the last seven days are also counted as customers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired pre-paid cards. Customers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules.” 

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I don't even like WoW all that much.

I defend WoW because so many people shit on it simply because it is popular and try to ignore the fact that for whatever one may feel about the game, it is the most popular mmorpg in history and as such, the game can't be all that bad.

For instance, I can't stand FFIX. Yet I don't dump on it because it is a popular game for many and that tells me the game can't be all that bad if a couple of million players are subscribe to it.

That's all you hear on forums from a few, "WoW sucks so bad" (Apparently 6Million customers disagree) and flame anyone that says anything good about it.