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jonaku 6/13/06 1:03:11 PM
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From the Fires of Heaven guild website: http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/22970-vanguard-making-game-they-go.html It seems that every week, more bad news about the game keeps leaking out.... |
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klaxtin 6/13/06 2:21:21 PM
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Joined: 6/10/06 |
hmmm alot of the stuff that is getting out isnt that all bad news, i mean you dont really know, more less that whole post was some guy's opinions of way things are going and he isnt even in beta, he got an email from some guy that is in beta, and no one is leaking out good news from the beta, the sigil guys have said that the game is atleast 6 months from being finished for a release, i just have trouble hating on a game i have never played, so many people hated on EQ in beta and said it was crap and never work and it didnt have a chance and that was 8 years ago, and i played that game from the begining and loved it, but from looking at it and listening to other people's opinions i would have never gave it a chance, i was in EQ2 beta and thought the game was great, then about 3 weeks for the release they changed so much stuff that the game wasnt fun anymore when it released, I hope VG is the game that I want it to be, i constantly sit around WoW at 60 and have nothing to do, BG's and PvP get old fast and since you can grp together 42 people and go raid something and get gear there isnt alot of pride in getting the nice stuff like it was on EQ where very few people had the best gear. being spoon fed seemed good until i sit back and look at the big picture, VG is still in closed beta, its not finished, no mmo is finished at release, people are hating VG even more cause of SOE, and alot of people are used to the WoW type of gameplay so VG isnt suposed to apeal to them there for they hate, honestly im tired of reading all the bad things, i like for some people to leak out good things so i can atleast know more about the game
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Vengeful 6/13/06 2:23:14 PM
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Sure he's quoting a questionaire that was sent out to the Beta testers...but like....why wouldn't they ask questions like "What sort of quests would you like to see" and "What would make you want to visit 'unfinished' zones". It's kinda a no brainer...I like the fact that they are respectful enough to acknowledge that the Gamer knows what he finds fun. =P Ut, though, has always had an axe to grind.... and he makes his posts and he concentrates at length on these alleged problems with Vanguard as if it were the end of the world. Frankly...I don't care if they built the game entirely on feedback and beta testers....if its a fun game, then I would be dumb not to play it. |
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Tymora 6/13/06 2:36:41 PM
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Sure he's quoting a questionaire that was sent out to the Beta testers...but like....why wouldn't they ask questions like "What sort of quests would you like to see" and "What would make you want to visit 'unfinished' zones". It's kinda a no brainer...I like the fact that they are respectful enough to acknowledge that the Gamer knows what he finds fun. =P Ut, though, has always had an axe to grind.... and he makes his posts and he concentrates at length on these alleged problems with Vanguard as if it were the end of the world. Frankly...I don't care if they built the game entirely on feedback and beta testers....if its a fun game, then I would be dumb not to play it. Well said Vengeful. I agree with what you've written, although I don't know anything about this Ut fellow or that guild site. All I know is that Vanguard looks interesting, it is being created buy some developers I am familiar with, and it looks to go back to the style of mmorpg that I really appreciated most. There will be a lot more of this type of opinion going around, saying that Vanguard is not fun, mostly due to the fact that it takes features that have been replaced by newer ones, allowing the more casual player to enjoy the game. I don't have anything against these newer mmorpgs, but I have a special interest in Vanguard, so I will be there at launch to try it out, regardless of these negative opinion posts. And about the statements about Vanguard being developed by the beta testers . . . good. It's about time developers of a game really reached out to the players and asked for some important advice. |
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ross1893 6/13/06 2:45:27 PM
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Yeah Ut is just a huge loser with nothing better to do then bash a game over and over. Why not find a game you like then? I cant understand why he would use 'they are asking beta testers what they feel about the game they are testing as a negative.
 I've beta'd games before and wish they would have asked us what we thought about specific parts of the game. Not to mention they have plenty of time to develop the game further. That is the point of a beta; to fix problems. Given that any of what he has said before is true. |
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SpiritofGame 6/13/06 3:17:02 PM
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Thank you, jonaku -- we already got your message that you don't like the game. First off, that Utnayan post is old news, dated June 4, we have already seen that. Utnayan is a joke on the VG Official Boards. He hasn't played Vanguard, he is not in the beta, yet twists every comment to the negative side. OMG -- imagine Sigil asking beta testers for some basic input! That's just plain ... errr ... ummm ... GOOD. They want their opinions. I hope they ask me if I get into the beta. Likewise, the FoH guild message board is notorious for bashing and trashing Vanguard. It's well known; don't need to keep hearing this. BTW, sure you can post your venom all you like, but this is a fan-site NOT a troll-site. Attacking Vanguard now seems to be your personal vendetta -- and we all assume it is due to SOE being in the picture. I can assure you that nothing, not one thing, that you post will have the slightest affect on Vanguard's development. On the contrary, your negativity will most likely backfire since it is so transparently biased. Like I said, this is a fan-site. If you're not a fan, if you have nothing constructive to add, you might consider spending your energy in some other -- more productive -- direction. Nevertheless, thanks for your opinions. I am sure you are, in your own mind, only try to save us from Vanguard and SOE. Personally, I don't need saving.
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Zippy 6/13/06 5:32:24 PM
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UT is one of the least knowledgeable posters on the FoH board. He is frequently found complaining about features and ideas in Vanguard that don't even exist. Brad has called him on his lack of knowledge many times. Rather than crawl back into his whole he just makes more things up. If he would actually just read the Silky Venom FaQ before he started bashing at least he could look somewhat educated. This particular post starts off woith Vanguard has been in development for 4.5 years. Again more lies or innacurate information by UT. Vanguard began development in the summer of 2002 (4 years ago). The rest of his arguments are not even worth responding to. His logic is comical. Most of his complaints are ridiclous. To try to make the argument that Sigil is overpromising is beyond belief. The problem here is UT does not read the devs posts, does not read the previews, and does not read the boards. Sigil and Brad have been upfront about what will make into release and what will not. They don't over promise. I have never seen a game developer go out of their way to underhype and under promise a game like Sigil. Sigil should be the role model for all games in terms of honesty and presentation of what may make it into the final release. There are many valid complaints I have seen about Vanguard. I have read many posts that make very good arguments as to why Vanguard may not succeeed. I share many of the concerns about Vanguard that have been expressed by knowledgeable and inteligent people. But, I have never read anything from UT but rubbish. He would be better off copying and pasting some of the valid complaints about Vanguard rather than attempting to make arguments on his own. He is simply not capable of doing such a thing. |
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dink 6/13/06 7:17:43 PM
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I agree that Sigil taking a survey from their beta-testers is not indiciative that the game will suck. In fact, I think it is cool that they are looking for feedback. Also, beta is an unreleased product and thus game designers COULD create additional quests and content for these areas or new areas based on player ideas. What Sigil is doing in this survey should be applauded; not hated. What people should be worried about is the fact that the game is hemoraging beta-testers because it is not fun to play. The fact that Sigil is trying to make it FUN to play is actually a good sign. Btw, I saw it at E3, and it was ugly and seemed broken there. He is probably not lying about the beta-testers or the survey. . . it's just his spin that is crazy and wrong. |
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Vengeful 6/13/06 8:51:55 PM
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