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  britoca

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5/25/06 1:30:38 PM#161

Originally posted by kefkah

Personally been on the recieving end of a few hit and runs back a few months ago. Wasn't flaming anyone at the time. But still, that is my experience which is different from your observations and I don't feel right talking about him with him not being here to defend himself - let alone that he has adopted a somewhat kinder gentler approach as of late.

Next post, please.



Yeah, let's leave individuals apart from this thread.   It's too important for such bickering imo.

It's about SOE and how they substituted a mmo for another.

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  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 1:33:58 PM#162

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

So what?  They (no just mmorpg.com) give plenty of voice to the companies, interviews, interviews, interviews.  If that's not company opinion, I don't know what is.
Player opinion should also be included in articles and not just be left to the forum landscape.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/325/gameID/6

Yes but when they interview it is for the fans , They try and get an idea of its progress and features . That is News in the gaming world that is all any magazine or site usually does .


Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen it.  Unfortunatly, it's not clear whether he is writing with the NGE already in mind or not.  He mentions only the CU and I don't see NGE mentioned anywhere.  The date (November 23, 2005) is already post-NGE (Nov 15th accodring to wikipedia) so I presume it was already minding the NGE.

Anyways, yes the interview is indeed for the fans.  However, the interviews are not just informative listings of facts.  They are companies' opinion mixed with the facts.   They state the changes/facts, and they state the companies' reasons for those changes/facts as well.  In other words, when SOE says there will be only 9 classes post NGE, it also states along with it that this is to make the game more iconic and more true to the SW experience.

That is opinion, and it comes mixed in with the news.  Now, if a site keeps producing only interviews repeatedly pushing forth only the company's opinion, it becomes biased.  A site for the community must have both articles about the company's perspective, as well as the community's perspective.

I don't think that adding brief and vague statements like "the fans are disappointed thus far" while allowing multiple lines of company perspective is fair.  That is not a site for the community, it's for the industry.
That's all.

I am pretty sure , That article is all about NGE ,though it doesn't mention it by name.

Hey don't get me wrong , It would be nice to see a site like what you are seeking . But It is obvious (atleast to me ) why there isn't one so to speak . These writers need a positive appearence to the industry to get their work done . Now if they had an O'reilly so to speak , Do you think Devs would be willing to give those interviews ? I highly Doubt it .


I understand what you mean. It doesn't need to be an interview.  It can an editorial, updating, for the record, how the community is currently reacting to the most controversial decision ever taken in mmo history after 6 months after its inplementation.  That's worthy of following imo. It could have some relevant quotes from the forums.

I also wanted to see how narrow I could get those first quotations to be, haha looks like I got them down to single words/line

I love forum trees LOL

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  LilT

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Posts: 635

Pre-cu FTW <3

5/25/06 1:46:41 PM#163
Guys, no more complaining about this thread! lol Its a very good thing, its the first thing anyone will see when they come to the swg forums. I think the mods did us a big favor. IMo it encourages free speech about soe because it is putting our grievences and negative opinions of soe in the spotlight. What more could you ask for?

(besides a hard hitting article about soe and the nge)

but anyways. Yes, thanks for this sticky.


oh yeah, i hate SOE!

For the Horde!

  Tesla2338

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5/25/06 1:47:07 PM#164
This game used to be awesome, but now its horrible.
  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 1:50:08 PM#165

Originally posted by Tesla2338
This game used to be awesome, but now its horrible.
Straight to the point I like that

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  johnyspiper

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5/25/06 1:52:57 PM#166
Sony you deserve this for screwing up alot of good game
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  Distopia

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5/25/06 1:53:35 PM#167

Originally posted by johnyspiper
Sony you deserve this :
?

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  MacroPlanet

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5/25/06 1:58:08 PM#168
Oh my god...I have never seen a group of so many little babies and whinning in my life.  And I thought us UO players had it bad. 

Just move on guys, that's what the UO players did.

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Ultima Online
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World of Warcraft
DayZ

  Shayde

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The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

NOW you realize that! - Shayde

5/25/06 2:00:38 PM#169

Originally posted by MaeEye
Oh my god...I have never seen a group of so many little babies and whinning in my life.  And I thought us UO players had it bad. 

Just move on guys, that's what the UO players did.

Yes you did.. you were on the vanguard forums. They were whining all about how $OE would NEVER RUIN THEIR GAME!!!!

Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.


It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 2:06:27 PM#170

Originally posted by MaeEye
Oh my god...I have never seen a group of so many little babies and whinning in my life.  And I thought us UO players had it bad. 

Just move on guys, that's what the UO players did.

You have moved on HUh? Then why even mention the game twice .  If you have moved on how is it even an issue to you ? I say you move on if what you read ,  makes you feel you must insult .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  Dana

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5/25/06 2:10:00 PM#171

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/325/gameID/6

Yes but when they interview it is for the fans , They try and get an idea of its progress and features . That is News in the gaming world that is all any magazine or site usually does .


Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen it.  Unfortunatly, it's not clear whether he is writing with the NGE already in mind or not.  He mentions only the CU and I don't see NGE mentioned anywhere.  The date (November 23, 2005) is already post-NGE (Nov 15th accodring to wikipedia) so I presume it was already minding the NGE.

Anyways, yes the interview is indeed for the fans.  However, the interviews are not just informative listings of facts.  They are companies' opinion mixed with the facts.   They state the changes/facts, and they state the companies' reasons for those changes/facts as well.  In other words, when SOE says there will be only 9 classes post NGE, it also states along with it that this is to make the game more iconic and more true to the SW experience.

That is opinion, and it comes mixed in with the news.  Now, if a site keeps producing only interviews repeatedly pushing forth only the company's opinion, it becomes biased.  A site for the community must have both articles about the company's perspective, as well as the community's perspective.

I don't think that adding brief and vague statements like "the fans are disappointed thus far" while allowing multiple lines of company perspective is fair.  That is not a site for the community, it's for the industry.
That's all.

Guys,

We ran that editorial on the same day as a brief interview with Casey Keefe on the NGE (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/324/gameID/6) and our review of the NGE on its own merits (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/reviews/loadReview/26/gameID/6).

It is most definitely about the NGE.

The core point is, we covered the story, we came out with a clear stance and made it public at the time. I think we covered it very well. If we kept covering the story to the point you guys suggest, only anti-SOE fans would still visit the site.

Is your story unworthy of attention? No. Will we ever do a follow-up story? Maybe. But both these questions are beside the point.

This thread was created to try and funnel some of the poison off the boards. You're free to warn people all you want, all we want is that you stop hijacking semi-related or unrelated threads and cluttering the boards wiht the same message over and over. All this thread is for is when someone feels the need to make a random rant against SOE as a result of what they did.

Dana Massey
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Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  duggo

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5/25/06 2:25:53 PM#172

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by johnyspiper
Sony you deserve this :
?

"Working as intended."  Move along.  Move along.


Originally posted by MaeEye
Oh my god...I have never seen a group of so many little babies and whinning in my life.  And I thought us UO players had it bad. 

Just move on guys, that's what the UO players did.

Hey, don't hijack this thread, save it for the "Official 'We're Angry at the Pre-CU whiners' Thread" sticky.

-d




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  bugzonlsd

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5/25/06 2:29:53 PM#173

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by MaeEye
Oh my god...I have never seen a group of so many little babies and whinning in my life.  And I thought us UO players had it bad. 

Just move on guys, that's what the UO players did.

Yes you did.. you were on the vanguard forums. They were whining all about how $OE would NEVER RUIN THEIR GAME!!!!


yea what SHAYDE said! and...lots of the people who played SWG actually were people who moved on to it FROM uo buddy. So PfFfFfFfffFT :P
  Clackamas

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5/25/06 2:56:25 PM#174
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  anarchyart

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5/25/06 2:57:17 PM#175

Originally posted by kaibigan34
I can understand if someone asks about the game and then is chased out because they sound interested. But if someone asks about the game and people post only their opinions about the game I cant see that as bad. Afterall the guy asked.

And on the forgive and forget tip. If a woman forgives a rapist or a parent forgiving the murderer of their child I am willing to bet the criminal is in jail facing punishment at the time. And the person usually apologized as well. SOE has not been punished nor have they apologized for what they did and are still doing.

Its not about a mistake or a few mistakes. Its about continious mistakes, lies, and ignoring the wants and desires of the community at large. If McDonalds put out the McRib then the HU (Hamburger Upgrade) McRib because of the failed first attempt and then the NSE (New Sandwich Enhancement) McRib it would be a valid point. But they didnt. Those companies made a mistake but they corrected them. SOE on the other hand screwed up and continues to screw up with each publish.

I dont blame anyone for a mistake. But I do expect them to correct them. Something SOE refuses to do. Because there is only two things they can do to correct it and they refuse to even try. In fact the only thing they do is cover them up with lies and media spin. How can I say "Oh well its the past SOE. Your forgiven. Correct it and lets move on." when they refuse to correct it and continue making the same mistakes over and over?

Kai

LOL @ HU and NSE :) Thanks, that really got me laughing. Ok well I'm on your side then I guess. I think SOE in some form should be punished for pulling the NGE out of the hat in the way they did. Maybe then everyone could have the emotional space to forgive them. Even though I rather liked it, I think some form of retribution would be in order. I think Sony should be forced by a court of law to maintain at least one Pre-NGE server, even if no new content was written. The poor souls who ground (use?) Jedi all those hours and days and months do have a genuine case for willful infliction of emotional distress. Same as all those people who wasted their lives trying to unlock the froglok race in EQ2 when it was impossible, if indeed that rumour is true.

Until Sony admits their wrongdoing I am not going to bitch about people bitching anymore, except when it comes to Vanguard. Sony will have absolutely nothing to do with the development of said game and therefore doesn't deserve the constant haranguing of upset former SOE customers.

Thanks for responding in such a mature manner Kai. You're good peeps.

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  bugzonlsd

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5/25/06 3:06:23 PM#176
  Clackamas

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5/25/06 3:08:33 PM#177
It is time for the last word on this thread to be spoken, and there is no better person to speak it than me: 

SOE / LA you goofed, you really goofed.  Pull SWG now!  Kill the dead horse!


PS:
Remember, this is the last word, please observe silence on this thread in acknowledgement of the ill-will of SOE / LA.
  Distopia

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5/25/06 3:19:16 PM#178

Originally posted by Clackamas
It is time for the last word on this thread to be spoken, and there is no better person to speak it than me: 

SOE / LA you goofed, you really goofed.  Pull SWG now!  Kill the dead horse!


PS:
Remember, this is the last word, please observe silence on this thread in acknowledgement of the ill-will of SOE / LA.

2003-2006

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  cptbollock

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5/25/06 3:45:07 PM#179
Played on the Corbantis server for the last 3 years,SWG was never really a game full of content  but it had a solid community.The NGE caused huge damage to my friends list,leaving nothing but one of the most basic combat systems ive ever played,less choice of profesions,with the same content as it always had.I will never be able to workout what goes on on SOE's mind,but i know for a fact ill never play any of thier games again
  Clackamas

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5/25/06 3:55:42 PM#180

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Clackamas
It is time for the last word on this thread to be spoken, and there is no better person to speak it than me: 

SOE / LA you goofed, you really goofed.  Pull SWG now!  Kill the dead horse!


PS:
Remember, this is the last word, please observe silence on this thread in acknowledgement of the ill-will of SOE / LA.

2003-2006

No Fair! No Fair! *stomp* *stomp* *stomp* I want the last word, I want the last word!  Mommy, make the mean people give me the last word!
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