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  kyme

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Joined: 11/28/03
Posts: 414

5/25/06 1:23:54 PM#141
Can we have someone ask questions concerning the possibility of PRE-CU Servers to a SWG employee who can answer them?
  Wildcat84

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Joined: 1/31/06
Posts: 2315

5/25/06 1:27:37 PM#142

Originally posted by kyme
Can we have someone ask questions concerning the possibility of PRE-CU Servers to a SWG employee who can answer them?
It's been asked, and they say no.

Why they don't right now is obvious, no one would play on any other servers (Smed and JT have admitted that the vast majority of those playing are pre-NGE players, so the NGE hasn't attracted a significant number of new ones).

Only when they give up on the NGE delusion, and faced with it as the last chance to squeeze some more cash out of the game will they do classic servers.

  britoca

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Joined: 11/06/04
Posts: 1486

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5/25/06 1:32:51 PM#143

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


I don't think any of those companies took equivalent steps at modifying an mmo so drastically, ever.  This wasn't a modification, mind you, it was a release of a new game which trampled and substituted the old game.
That creates a lot of adeversity from the existing community.

For its uniqueness, this situation does deserve more attention, imho, so that other companies don't treat their gamers like garba... errrr...  children.

-virtual tourist
want your game back?

  britoca

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Joined: 11/06/04
Posts: 1486

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5/25/06 1:35:25 PM#144

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

So what?  They (no just mmorpg.com) give plenty of voice to the companies, interviews, interviews, interviews.  If that's not company opinion, I don't know what is.
Player opinion should also be included in articles and not just be left to the forum landscape.

-virtual tourist
want your game back?

  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 16197

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 1:36:20 PM#145

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


I don't think any of those companies took equivalent steps at modifying an mmo so drastically, ever.  This wasn't a modification, mind you, it was a release of a new game which trampled and substituted the old game.
That creates a lot of adeversity from the existing community.

For its uniqueness, this situation does deserve more attention, imho, so that other companies don't treat their gamers like garba... errrr...  children.

Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece

Sorry to paste an answer to another post but it does apply to this as well .

They did an article on this site about whether the changes were a fair move or not . There is clicky in one of the mods posts to it .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 16197

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 1:37:57 PM#146

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

So what?  They (no just mmorpg.com) give plenty of voice to the companies, interviews, interviews, interviews.  If that's not company opinion, I don't know what is.
Player opinion should also be included in articles and not just be left to the forum landscape.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/325/gameID/6

Yes but when they interview it is for the fans , They try and get an idea of its progress and features . That is News in the gaming world that is all any magazine or site usually does .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  derektodd

Novice Member

Joined: 1/10/06
Posts: 79

5/25/06 1:38:59 PM#147
I agree this was a smart thing to do because if anyone wants to really get an idea of what happens when a company decides to destroy a game that is loved by all and expects people to believe the NGE was a needed change.

Hopefully Lucas will realize our game which was once the best MMO game ever conceptualized is now a piece of crap.
  kefkah

Novice Member

Joined: 9/22/04
Posts: 851

5/25/06 1:48:57 PM#148

As ineffective as I think this thread is - it did end up having one surely unintended positive side effect. SOE now holds the SOLE distinction of having dedicated sticky threads on how they angered (or still anger) thier customer base on one of the premier mmorpg sites. The only other company to receive such outside of the norm treatment on this site in general was Mourning when it was removed.

WTG SOE! Not only are you the only company to receive this "honor" but you will also make the front page of this site until the mods manually remove it.

  Sago

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/28/05
Posts: 520

5/25/06 1:58:04 PM#149

Originally posted by Stradden

The purpose of this thread is for you guys to vent your frustrations in one place. It does not mean that you can never say anything negative about SOE in the forums. My concern on that front is that it is being said over and over again, and the purpose of threads is being lost in the clutter. My concern is NOT that people are talking negatively about SOE. I personally don’t blame anyone who is angry over this issue. You have a valid gripe, and I understand that.

While I would consider that to be a good exchange of ideas, and a good conversation. I walk away respecting his opinions and the religion as a whole. I would not have felt the same way if a moment later, another person had joined him, telling me the same things. Then another, then another. Suddenly, I have a whole group of people, all telling me about their ideas and feelings about something that I have already decided is not for me. They follow me to baggage claim, and all the way to my taxi when I leave the airport, relieved to be away from them.

MMORPG.com is the airport in this situation. We’re trying to avoid people getting bombarded with the same information, again and again, from multiple sources. That’s all.

That being said, things have also gotten severely out of hand in terms of a few people regularly breaking the rules. I will remind you that personal attacks against people who disagree with you will not be tolerated. Personal attacks, death threats and the like against developers from ANY company will not be tolerated. It all appears very clearly in our RoC, and the moderating team will be cracking down on such activities. You can hate the game, you can hate the company, but you cannot use our boards to promote the hatred of people.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager


Stradden I do understand what you are saying, however, the OVERWHELMING members of this community here is anti$OE and antiNGE. I mean think about it ... 500,000 SWG accounts in July '03 and what 30,000 +/- now leaves a hell of alot of people out there pissed off.

When someone voices their feelings and/or their negative experieinces regarding $OE in this forum there is always a few that tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and so starts the flame wars. Thus, other will chime in on both sides ... BUT .... there is INFINITELY more anti$OE and antiNGE people here than pro people.

Now this also works in reverse. People posting stuff like: "SWG is GREAT", "NGE is better than preCU", "the population is increasing", "The game is getting better. Just give it another 6 months" and stuff like that are lying thru their teeth. IF all these things were true then why the mass exodus from the game? Why are people STILL leaving the game? WHY are they HERE instead of playing the game that is so great?

As far as people seeking help here .... in these forums???? Wrong place to ask for help. Most people here don't play anymore. The BEST place to seek help is in the Official SWG Forums as most of the current" players that KNOW how to answer their question can be found there.

I would venture to say that the people that are pro$OE and proNGE are usually the people that start the flaming first. Not always .... just usually, probably due to frustration for being so outnumbered. Obraik is one of the few that really doesn't get into the personal attacks too much ... if at all. Because he doesn't, I have rarely seen him personally attacked by someone else (attacked = name calling and such. Having a differing opinion does not qualify as an "attack".) (Unless you are an $OE forum moderator ... sorry had to say it LOL)

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  Clackamas

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Joined: 3/22/06
Posts: 781

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5/25/06 2:01:52 PM#150

Originally posted by Stradden

Hi Guys,

It seems as though there has been quite a bit of SOE hate recently, and it has gotten to the point where it is taking over the forums for SOE games. As a result, I am creating this sticky where people can vent their frustrations on this subject.

*Edited for Clarity and pasted from a future post:

I think there has been some misinterpretation of the purpose of this thread. First off, let me say that I do understand where you’re coming from and that you have every right to be angry about what happened. In fact, we printed an editorial about this back in November that you can take another look at, here.

The purpose of this thread is for you guys to vent your frustrations in one place. It does not mean that you can never say anything negative about SOE in the forums. My concern on that front is that it is being said over and over again, and the purpose of threads is being lost in the clutter. My concern is NOT that people are talking negatively about SOE. I personally don’t blame anyone who is angry over this issue. You have a valid gripe, and I understand that.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager


My concern is that you have not done due diligence to the player crowd.  Sure you announce changes by the game companies.  But, that you had to set this thread up (as I pointed out yesterday), that the former player base is still actively angery with SOE and SOE continues to drop the ball.... now that sounds like a good part B: Revenge of the Fans - 7 months later.

So, lacking such a followup story, I do not appreciate the contaiment you are trying here.  However, if such a story was in the works based on what folks are saying on this forum and others, then your goals would be appreciated.
  britoca

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5/25/06 2:02:03 PM#151

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

So what?  They (no just mmorpg.com) give plenty of voice to the companies, interviews, interviews, interviews.  If that's not company opinion, I don't know what is.
Player opinion should also be included in articles and not just be left to the forum landscape.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/325/gameID/6

Yes but when they interview it is for the fans , They try and get an idea of its progress and features . That is News in the gaming world that is all any magazine or site usually does .


Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen it.  Unfortunatly, it's not clear whether he is writing with the NGE already in mind or not.  He mentions only the CU and I don't see NGE mentioned anywhere.  The date (November 23, 2005) is already post-NGE (Nov 15th accodring to wikipedia) so I presume it was already minding the NGE.

Anyways, yes the interview is indeed for the fans.  However, the interviews are not just informative listings of facts.  They are companies' opinion mixed with the facts.   They state the changes/facts, and they state the companies' reasons for those changes/facts as well.  In other words, when SOE says there will be only 9 classes post NGE, it also states along with it that this is to make the game more iconic and more true to the SW experience.

That is opinion, and it comes mixed in with the news.  Now, if a site keeps producing only interviews repeatedly pushing forth only the company's opinion, it becomes biased.  A site for the community must have both articles about the company's perspective, as well as the community's perspective.

I don't think that adding brief and vague statements like "the fans are disappointed thus far" while allowing multiple lines of company perspective is fair.  That is not a site for the community, it's for the industry.
That's all.

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  Distopia

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5/25/06 2:06:38 PM#152

Originally posted by Sago

Originally posted by Stradden

The purpose of this thread is for you guys to vent your frustrations in one place. It does not mean that you can never say anything negative about SOE in the forums. My concern on that front is that it is being said over and over again, and the purpose of threads is being lost in the clutter. My concern is NOT that people are talking negatively about SOE. I personally don’t blame anyone who is angry over this issue. You have a valid gripe, and I understand that.

While I would consider that to be a good exchange of ideas, and a good conversation. I walk away respecting his opinions and the religion as a whole. I would not have felt the same way if a moment later, another person had joined him, telling me the same things. Then another, then another. Suddenly, I have a whole group of people, all telling me about their ideas and feelings about something that I have already decided is not for me. They follow me to baggage claim, and all the way to my taxi when I leave the airport, relieved to be away from them.

MMORPG.com is the airport in this situation. We’re trying to avoid people getting bombarded with the same information, again and again, from multiple sources. That’s all.

That being said, things have also gotten severely out of hand in terms of a few people regularly breaking the rules. I will remind you that personal attacks against people who disagree with you will not be tolerated. Personal attacks, death threats and the like against developers from ANY company will not be tolerated. It all appears very clearly in our RoC, and the moderating team will be cracking down on such activities. You can hate the game, you can hate the company, but you cannot use our boards to promote the hatred of people.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager


Stradden I do understand what you are saying, however, the OVERWHELMING members of this community here is anti$OE and antiNGE. I mean think about it ... 500,000 SWG accounts in July '03 and what 30,000 +/- now leaves a hell of alot of people out there pissed off.

When someone voices their feelings and/or their negative experieinces regarding $OE in this forum there is always a few that tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and so starts the flame wars. Thus, other will chime in on both sides ... BUT .... there is INFINITELY more anti$OE and antiNGE people here than pro people.

Now this also works in reverse. People posting stuff like: "SWG is GREAT", "NGE is better than preCU", "the population is increasing", "The game is getting better. Just give it another 6 months" and stuff like that are lying thru their teeth. IF all these things were true then why the mass exodus from the game? Why are people STILL leaving the game? WHY are they HERE instead of playing the game that is so great?

As far as people seeking help here .... in these forums???? Wrong place to ask for help. Most people here don't play anymore. The BEST place to seek help is in the Official SWG Forums as most of the current" players that KNOW how to answer their question can be found there.

I would venture to say that the people that are pro$OE and proNGE are usually the people that start the flaming first. Not always .... just usually, probably due to frustration for being so outnumbered. Obraik is one of the few that really doesn't get into the personal attacks too much ... if at all. Because he doesn't, I have rarely seen him personally attacked by someone else (attacked = name calling and such. Having a differing opinion does not qualify as an "attack".) (Unless you are an $OE forum moderator ... sorry had to say it LOL)


This such a false statement , There are three "SOE loyalists"  here I know of . Obraik , Elnator and Pirrg . Not one of them Goes into threads calling people idiots or morons for their opinions . WHich I know for a fact you do you have done it to me . There are a substanial amount of SOE haters here who constantly do such things .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Sago

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5/25/06 2:09:43 PM#153


Originally posted by Malickiebloo
Shh!!! Don't use logic , people may burst a few forehead veins .



Originally posted by Malickiebloo
If that is the only reason you are here , I don't think MMORPG.com really cares to have your buisness .I know for sure I would not . 



Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 



Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Here is an Idea , Create your own site and report on such things .



Malick ... what in hell is your problem???? This is an "I hate $OE" thread. Why are you continually in here flamming people for anti$OE comments when this thread was established for that EXACT reason?

I made a post that it is the pro$OE and proNGE'rs that are causing most the problems here. Thank you for making my point.

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  bugzonlsd

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5/25/06 2:10:40 PM#154

ROFL hey look at this guys...our bitching and whining got us an officail thread lol

Cool beans, so I guess that means if I or anyone else feels like saying SOE licks the redrocket" in here its ok?

I dont have any objection to this thread, sounds like a plan :P

  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 16197

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 2:12:34 PM#155

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

So what?  They (no just mmorpg.com) give plenty of voice to the companies, interviews, interviews, interviews.  If that's not company opinion, I don't know what is.
Player opinion should also be included in articles and not just be left to the forum landscape.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/325/gameID/6

Yes but when they interview it is for the fans , They try and get an idea of its progress and features . That is News in the gaming world that is all any magazine or site usually does .


Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen it.  Unfortunatly, it's not clear whether he is writing with the NGE already in mind or not.  He mentions only the CU and I don't see NGE mentioned anywhere.  The date (November 23, 2005) is already post-NGE (Nov 15th accodring to wikipedia) so I presume it was already minding the NGE.

Anyways, yes the interview is indeed for the fans.  However, the interviews are not just informative listings of facts.  They are companies' opinion mixed with the facts.   They state the changes/facts, and they state the companies' reasons for those changes/facts as well.  In other words, when SOE says there will be only 9 classes post NGE, it also states along with it that this is to make the game more iconic and more true to the SW experience.

That is opinion, and it comes mixed in with the news.  Now, if a site keeps producing only interviews repeatedly pushing forth only the company's opinion, it becomes biased.  A site for the community must have both articles about the company's perspective, as well as the community's perspective.

I don't think that adding brief and vague statements like "the fans are disappointed thus far" while allowing multiple lines of company perspective is fair.  That is not a site for the community, it's for the industry.
That's all.

I am pretty sure , That article is all about NGE ,though it doesn't mention it by name.

Hey don't get me wrong , It would be nice to see a site like what you are seeking . But It is obvious (atleast to me ) why there isn't one so to speak . These writers need a positive appearence to the industry to get their work done . Now if they had an O'reilly so to speak , Do you think Devs would be willing to give those interviews ? I highly Doubt it .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Distopia

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5/25/06 2:17:35 PM#156

Originally posted by Sago


Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 



Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Here is an Idea , Create your own site and report on such things .



Malick ... what in hell is your problem???? This is an "I hate $OE" thread. Why are you continually in here flamming people for anti$OE comments when this thread was established for that EXACT reason?

I made a post that it is the pro$OE and proNGE'rs that are causing most the problems here. Thank you for making my point.


I am not flaming anyone . I am saying stop crticizing MMOrpg For not being what you want  them to be . They have allowed you a place to speak your mind . Now that they are doing a little moderating of the activity on "their" forums people want to jump on them .

I even put a smile to come across as non offensive . That post has nothing to do with SOE thank you .

WHat point did you make ? I am not For or against sony . Therefor I am not included in your post .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  kefkah

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5/25/06 2:18:32 PM#157

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
This such a false statement , There are three "SOE loyalists"  here I know of . Obraik , Elnator and Pirrg . Not one of them Goes into threads calling people idiots or morons for their opinions . WHich I know for a fact you do you have done it to me . There are a substanial amount of SOE haters here who constantly do such things .


Pirrg? The current rendition of pirrg* - I could agree with your statement on but before the recent? You may want to read up. But still, that inclusion makes your statment as false as well. :D

*this is in no way asking for the return of the old pirrg. Just a statement from previous experience.

  Distopia

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5/25/06 2:20:45 PM#158

Originally posted by kefkah

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
This such a false statement , There are three "SOE loyalists"  here I know of . Obraik , Elnator and Pirrg . Not one of them Goes into threads calling people idiots or morons for their opinions . WHich I know for a fact you do you have done it to me . There are a substanial amount of SOE haters here who constantly do such things .


Pirrg? The current rendition of pirrg* - I could agree with your statement on but before the recent? You may want to read up. But still, that inclusion makes your statment as false as well. :D

*this is in no way asking for the return of the old pirrg. Just a statement from previous experience.


I have really only seen him say such to people who are flaming present subscibers . Which kinda makes it  a defensive move IMO .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  britoca

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Time U enjoyed wasting was not wasted

5/25/06 2:27:22 PM#159

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by britoca

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

So what?  They (no just mmorpg.com) give plenty of voice to the companies, interviews, interviews, interviews.  If that's not company opinion, I don't know what is.
Player opinion should also be included in articles and not just be left to the forum landscape.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/325/gameID/6

Yes but when they interview it is for the fans , They try and get an idea of its progress and features . That is News in the gaming world that is all any magazine or site usually does .


Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen it.  Unfortunatly, it's not clear whether he is writing with the NGE already in mind or not.  He mentions only the CU and I don't see NGE mentioned anywhere.  The date (November 23, 2005) is already post-NGE (Nov 15th accodring to wikipedia) so I presume it was already minding the NGE.

Anyways, yes the interview is indeed for the fans.  However, the interviews are not just informative listings of facts.  They are companies' opinion mixed with the facts.   They state the changes/facts, and they state the companies' reasons for those changes/facts as well.  In other words, when SOE says there will be only 9 classes post NGE, it also states along with it that this is to make the game more iconic and more true to the SW experience.

That is opinion, and it comes mixed in with the news.  Now, if a site keeps producing only interviews repeatedly pushing forth only the company's opinion, it becomes biased.  A site for the community must have both articles about the company's perspective, as well as the community's perspective.

I don't think that adding brief and vague statements like "the fans are disappointed thus far" while allowing multiple lines of company perspective is fair.  That is not a site for the community, it's for the industry.
That's all.

I am pretty sure , That article is all about NGE ,though it doesn't mention it by name.

Hey don't get me wrong , It would be nice to see a site like what you are seeking . But It is obvious (atleast to me ) why there isn't one so to speak . These writers need a positive appearence to the industry to get their work done . Now if they had an O'reilly so to speak , Do you think Devs would be willing to give those interviews ? I highly Doubt it .


I understand what you mean. It doesn't need to be an interview.  It can an editorial, updating, for the record, how the community is currently reacting to the most controversial decision ever taken in mmo history after 6 months after its inplementation.  That's worthy of following imo. It could have some relevant quotes from the forums.

I also wanted to see how narrow I could get those first quotations to be, haha looks like I got them down to single words/line

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  kefkah

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Joined: 9/22/04
Posts: 851

5/25/06 2:28:39 PM#160

Personally been on the recieving end of a few hit and runs back a few months ago. Wasn't flaming anyone at the time. But still, that is my experience which is different from your observations and I don't feel right talking about him with him not being here to defend himself - let alone that he has adopted a somewhat kinder gentler approach as of late.

Next post, please.

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