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  Kehn

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5/25/06 10:46:02 AM#121

/raise hand

present

  Wankler

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5/25/06 10:47:00 AM#122

Originally posted by Stradden

I really think that everyone can use their best judgement. I'm not saying that if someone asks your opinion, you are not allowed to give it. I AM saying that we're trying to avoid a situation wherein every time anyone mentions a game that has involvement with SOE, they are bombarded by un-soliscited advice and flaming.

All that we are doing is trying to provide forums that run smoothly where everyone can have an opinion.

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager



I think that says it all right there.  No other game company in the history of MMO's has caused such outrage amongst the MMO community, that people feel they need to vent about how unfairly they were treated. 

As you can see by my sig  I am not a big forum poster, but everytime I see an Angry SOE thread, it gives me a little comfort to know I am not the only one that is angry at SOE and it gives me a bit of relief to vent my anger.

  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 10:56:32 AM#123
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Beatnik59

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"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."

5/25/06 11:02:37 AM#124

Originally posted by Stradden

That being said, things have also gotten severely out of hand in terms of a few people regularly breaking the rules. I will remind you that personal attacks against people who disagree with you will not be tolerated. Personal attacks, death threats and the like against developers from ANY company will not be tolerated. It all appears very clearly in our RoC, and the moderating team will be cracking down on such activities. You can hate the game, you can hate the company, but you cannot use our boards to promote the hatred of people.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager


A very valid concern, Mr. Wood.

If this is the problem, then by all means, handle the problem by taking action against those who make personal attacks.  This is neither a pro-SOE or anti-SOE issue.  Both sides have done it.

But this coralling all of the threads that have as their subtext, "I don't like SOE" is not the proper solution to this problem.  In fact, its the worst solution.  It will create more anger and resentment, because one opinion has free run to create and respond to all threads on the board, while another opinion is limited to only one sticky, or face sanction.

Let's make one thing perfectly clear though.  The cause of this entire firestorm on your boards is SOE, and their actions, which have factionalized the MMORPG consuming public into camps.

The lack of civility and respect that SOE has shown the playing public, and quite frankly, organizations like yours who are for the fans, is creating this situation.  Through its negligance of common decency, and favoritism of one demographic over another, it has created an aura of hostility and anger.  Hostility and anger created by SOE's actions, that SOE refuses to take seriously, that now become your problem.  A problem that is not of your doing at MMORPG.com, but one that is seriously impacting your mission.

This puts sites like yours in a difficult position, no doubt.  But you cannot blame we players, and we MMORPG members, for the difficult position.  I would like nothing better than to talk about good things again with the players here on the SWG board.  But there is too much baggage, and baggage that, quite frankly, nobody other than SOE is responsible for loading into the situation.

So if you are going to blame someone for these boards getting out of control, blame SOE, not us.  Don't blame the SOE bashers, because we have good reasons for feeling so strongly on this issue.  Bringing up the examples of past abuse is, quite frankly, the only way we can assure that the thing that has divided your boards will never happen again.

For you at MMORPG.com, it may be "old news."  Indeed, that's exactly the thing SOE, Farlan, Mythic, the producers of Mourning, and every other slimy MMORPG development house wants it to be.  Because as soon as these issues are no longer in the public eye, the abuse will start again, further weaken the genre, and will further create heated animosity and division between your members.

I admit that the issues do not deserve personal attacks and threats.  Therefore, reiterate the prohibition against personal attacks and threats, and enforce it.  But you do no service to your community, by not allowing the posters to comment openly about the abuse of SOE, simply because it seems to be "said over and over again."  The mere fact that it does not go away, and that it is being said "over and over again," means that this is still a very salient issue, that is not being addressed in the sort of manner it needs to be.

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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken

"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.

"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE

  deleted4545

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Joined: 1/25/06
Posts: 47

I like hookers....

5/25/06 11:03:33 AM#125
Man oh man I was away on business for a few months, and so I come back in here to see whats going on since its been like 7 months since the NGE and people are still goin on about this game. Wow this is sad. Has not anyone moved on in life and done something else.

I still like hookers.....

  mystitigger

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Joined: 2/10/06
Posts: 164

5/25/06 11:05:53 AM#126


Originally posted by LickyDickyoo
Man oh man I was away on business for a few months, and so I come back in here to see whats going on since its been like 7 months since the NGE and people are still goin on about this game. Wow this is sad. Has not anyone moved on in life and done something else.


Take your pro-nge self somewhere else! This is the "SOE suXXor" thread! ::::01::

  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15536

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 11:10:52 AM#127

Originally posted by mystitigger


Originally posted by LickyDickyoo
Man oh man I was away on business for a few months, and so I come back in here to see whats going on since its been like 7 months since the NGE and people are still goin on about this game. Wow this is sad. Has not anyone moved on in life and done something else.


Take your pro-nge self somewhere else! This is the "SOE suXXor" thread! ::::01::


He does have a point

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Zuel41

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Joined: 11/25/05
Posts: 43

5/25/06 11:21:15 AM#128

Originally posted by Stradden

OK Guys,

I think there has been some misinterpretation of the purpose of this thread. First off, let me say that I do understand where you’re coming from and that you have every right to be angry about what happened. In fact, we printed an editorial about this back in November that you can take another look at, here.

The purpose of this thread is for you guys to vent your frustrations in one place. It does not mean that you can never say anything negative about SOE in the forums. My concern on that front is that it is being said over and over again, and the purpose of threads is being lost in the clutter. My concern is NOT that people are talking negatively about SOE. I personally don’t blame anyone who is angry over this issue. You have a valid gripe, and I understand that.

Let me give you an analogy that might shed some light on my reasoning: I travel a lot for this job. While traveling recently, I was approached at the airport by a member of a religious group who wanted to share his opinions (in this case about religion) with me. I had nothing else to do, and I generally keep an open mind, so I listened. He finished, and we parted ways.  Honestly, not a bad encounter. I came away knowing a little bit more than I once did about his particular religion, and he felt good about having spread the information that he felt that it was important that I know. That's a relatively healthy exchange.

While I would consider that to be a good exchange of ideas, and a good conversation. I walk away respecting his opinions and the religion as a whole. I would not have felt the same way if a moment later, another person had joined him, telling me the same things. Then another, then another. Suddenly, I have a whole group of people, all telling me about their ideas and feelings about something that I have already decided is not for me. They follow me to baggage claim, and all the way to my taxi when I leave the airport, relieved to be away from them.

Let's assume for a moment that I travel to this airport frequently. I actually enjoy the city that I'm going to. But every time I go there, there are new groups of people, telling me the same things about the same religion. It drives me crazy. Do I get mad at the religion as a whole? Probably not (much). You can't judge a large group of people on the actions of a few. So, how do I deal with the situation? I probably stop going through that particular airport.

MMORPG.com is the airport in this situation. We’re trying to avoid people getting bombarded with the same information, again and again, from multiple sources. That’s all.

That being said, things have also gotten severely out of hand in terms of a few people regularly breaking the rules. I will remind you that personal attacks against people who disagree with you will not be tolerated. Personal attacks, death threats and the like against developers from ANY company will not be tolerated. It all appears very clearly in our RoC, and the moderating team will be cracking down on such activities. You can hate the game, you can hate the company, but you cannot use our boards to promote the hatred of people.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager



Jon,

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point.  There are many of of us that feel, and as you point out several times, that SOE has done us wrong.  What's missing from your analysis and reporting is the broader perspective on how SOE's behavior affects MMOs in general.   I think that there is a consensus that what SOE did was wrong on several levels and bad for SWG in general, but I have yet to read anything that really expresses that. 

Here are some of the things I think a real investigative report would look at:

  1. How has the NGE affected the number of subsribers to SWG?
  2. How has the NGE affected SOE number of subscribers to other SOE games?
  3. Did SOE expect that the fan base would unleash as big a storm of hate as they have?
  4. Have other gaming companies noticed that they can not control how the player base reacts to changes? 
  5. Has SOE been engaged in a guerilla marketing ploy that seeds independant forums with positive posts in an effort to counteract the negative publicity? 
  6. How has this benefitted other games?  Have you ask Bliz, or other shops?
  7. Has the NGE changed the way other MMOs look at changes to their games?
  8. Has SOEs bundling of all the Station Games blurred the picture and allowed SOE to "hide" the issues with NGE?

I am sure that there are other questions and angles that you could think up.  Of course, if this thread is in reaction to pressure from SOE, then I am fairly sure that these questions and others like them will never be asked or answered. 

  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 11:24:45 AM#129

Originally posted by Zuel41

Originally posted by Stradden

OK Guys,

I think there has been some misinterpretation of the purpose of this thread. First off, let me say that I do understand where you’re coming from and that you have every right to be angry about what happened. In fact, we printed an editorial about this back in November that you can take another look at, here.

The purpose of this thread is for you guys to vent your frustrations in one place. It does not mean that you can never say anything negative about SOE in the forums. My concern on that front is that it is being said over and over again, and the purpose of threads is being lost in the clutter. My concern is NOT that people are talking negatively about SOE. I personally don’t blame anyone who is angry over this issue. You have a valid gripe, and I understand that.

Let me give you an analogy that might shed some light on my reasoning: I travel a lot for this job. While traveling recently, I was approached at the airport by a member of a religious group who wanted to share his opinions (in this case about religion) with me. I had nothing else to do, and I generally keep an open mind, so I listened. He finished, and we parted ways.  Honestly, not a bad encounter. I came away knowing a little bit more than I once did about his particular religion, and he felt good about having spread the information that he felt that it was important that I know. That's a relatively healthy exchange.

While I would consider that to be a good exchange of ideas, and a good conversation. I walk away respecting his opinions and the religion as a whole. I would not have felt the same way if a moment later, another person had joined him, telling me the same things. Then another, then another. Suddenly, I have a whole group of people, all telling me about their ideas and feelings about something that I have already decided is not for me. They follow me to baggage claim, and all the way to my taxi when I leave the airport, relieved to be away from them.

Let's assume for a moment that I travel to this airport frequently. I actually enjoy the city that I'm going to. But every time I go there, there are new groups of people, telling me the same things about the same religion. It drives me crazy. Do I get mad at the religion as a whole? Probably not (much). You can't judge a large group of people on the actions of a few. So, how do I deal with the situation? I probably stop going through that particular airport.

MMORPG.com is the airport in this situation. We’re trying to avoid people getting bombarded with the same information, again and again, from multiple sources. That’s all.

That being said, things have also gotten severely out of hand in terms of a few people regularly breaking the rules. I will remind you that personal attacks against people who disagree with you will not be tolerated. Personal attacks, death threats and the like against developers from ANY company will not be tolerated. It all appears very clearly in our RoC, and the moderating team will be cracking down on such activities. You can hate the game, you can hate the company, but you cannot use our boards to promote the hatred of people.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager



Jon,

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point.  There are many of of us that feel, and as you point out several times, that SOE has done us wrong.  What's missing from your analysis and reporting is the broader perspective on how SOE's behavior affects MMOs in general.   I think that there is a consensus that what SOE did was wrong on several levels and bad for SWG in general, but I have yet to read anything that really expresses that. 

Here are some of the things I think a real investigative report would look at:

  1. How has the NGE affected the number of subsribers to SWG?
  2. How has the NGE affected SOE number of subscribers to other SOE games?
  3. Did SOE expect that the fan base would unleash as big a storm of hate as they have?
  4. Have other gaming companies noticed that they can not control how the player base reacts to changes? 
  5. Has SOE been engaged in a guerilla marketing ploy that seeds independant forums with positive posts in an effort to counteract the negative publicity? 
  6. How has this benefitted other games?  Have you ask Bliz, or other shops?
  7. Has the NGE changed the way other MMOs look at changes to their games?
  8. Has SOEs bundling of all the Station Games blurred the picture and allowed SOE to "hide" the issues with NGE?

I am sure that there are other questions and angles that you could think up.  Of course, if this thread is in reaction to pressure from SOE, then I am fairly sure that these questions and others like them will never be asked or answered. 


Here is an Idea , Create your own site and report on such things .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  azgarth

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Joined: 9/08/05
Posts: 187

5/25/06 11:30:10 AM#130

I have several boxes of a game that doesn't exist anymore, and the last one is from November, so yes I am Angry at SOE for selling me something that was not planed. Thank you for the +10 taming necklace and the improvements to my profession. I can now sit and watch my nearly 3 years of effords and training down the drain, replaced by something that I don't even call a MMORPG anymore and would never pay to play.

You can kill a Master Creature Handler, but he will raise from the ashes as a better Hunter.  

  kaibigan34

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5/25/06 11:44:57 AM#131

Originally posted by Stradden

OK Guys,

I think there has been some misinterpretation of the purpose of this thread. First off, let me say that I do understand where you’re coming from and that you have every right to be angry about what happened. In fact, we printed an editorial about this back in November that you can take another look at, here.

The purpose of this thread is for you guys to vent your frustrations in one place. It does not mean that you can never say anything negative about SOE in the forums. My concern on that front is that it is being said over and over again, and the purpose of threads is being lost in the clutter. My concern is NOT that people are talking negatively about SOE. I personally don’t blame anyone who is angry over this issue. You have a valid gripe, and I understand that.

Let me give you an analogy that might shed some light on my reasoning: I travel a lot for this job. While traveling recently, I was approached at the airport by a member of a religious group who wanted to share his opinions (in this case about religion) with me. I had nothing else to do, and I generally keep an open mind, so I listened. He finished, and we parted ways.  Honestly, not a bad encounter. I came away knowing a little bit more than I once did about his particular religion, and he felt good about having spread the information that he felt that it was important that I know. That's a relatively healthy exchange.

While I would consider that to be a good exchange of ideas, and a good conversation. I walk away respecting his opinions and the religion as a whole. I would not have felt the same way if a moment later, another person had joined him, telling me the same things. Then another, then another. Suddenly, I have a whole group of people, all telling me about their ideas and feelings about something that I have already decided is not for me. They follow me to baggage claim, and all the way to my taxi when I leave the airport, relieved to be away from them.

Let's assume for a moment that I travel to this airport frequently. I actually enjoy the city that I'm going to. But every time I go there, there are new groups of people, telling me the same things about the same religion. It drives me crazy. Do I get mad at the religion as a whole? Probably not (much). You can't judge a large group of people on the actions of a few. So, how do I deal with the situation? I probably stop going through that particular airport.

MMORPG.com is the airport in this situation. We’re trying to avoid people getting bombarded with the same information, again and again, from multiple sources. That’s all.

That being said, things have also gotten severely out of hand in terms of a few people regularly breaking the rules. I will remind you that personal attacks against people who disagree with you will not be tolerated. Personal attacks, death threats and the like against developers from ANY company will not be tolerated. It all appears very clearly in our RoC, and the moderating team will be cracking down on such activities. You can hate the game, you can hate the company, but you cannot use our boards to promote the hatred of people.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager


Stradden

Not a good analogy there my friend. Your in an airport and someone talks to you about religion then the thing about what if more and more people talk to you about that religion. Then comparing MMORPG.com to that situation...

You go to an airport to travel. Not discuss religion exclusively. MMORPG.com you go to for MMOs. To discuss MMOs exclusively. It would be more akin to going to a religious convention (I would love to see those fights break out BTW) and one group discussed their religion alot. Which would happen. You would be bombarded with people giving the same info over and over. Or going to an airport and discussing travelling with fellow passengers. Which again would happen. I travel alot too and can tell you I have the same conversations about travel or other things related to travel alot.

Here is another analogy. What if the American Press decided to no longer discuss or deliver news on the war overseas because its old news? Its started several years ago after all. Things are happening everyday over there because of that war. But things are happening over at SWG everyday because of SOE and the developers as well.

Because that is what this is. Its a war. Not one with guns and missles. But it is a battle. SOE versus the gaming community. A corporation versus the consumer. And sorry to say, but this is one of the many battlefields. And this is one of the only battlefields where our weapons arent taken from us. On other places they wont let us post negative things or criticisms about the game. Like they are taking away our guns or tanks. And is it no wonder that the SOE developers hardly ever post here? I think they did once a long time ago. They wont because they know their lies and bullspat wont fly. I would love to see Smed try and spend a day on these forums discussing this game and trying to justify SWG and the NGE.

As for the personal attacks and death threats, completely understood there. No worries there. But please remember the door should swing both ways.

Now let me ask you something. You dont want us rehashing the samething over and over. Ok no worries. But what about when someone comes to ask about SWG? Someone that never played before wants opinions on the game? Will we have to keep our mouths shut since we said it all before?

Hmmm what about the people who repeatably bring up the Pros of SWG. They not allowed to talk about how good SWG is anymore? I know of a few people who basically kept saying the samethings over and over again about how wonderful it is and pointing out repeatedly specific things.

Oh and just after the NGE was released, the developers, said the game would be finished in 6 months. Yet 6 months are almost over. So why not do another editorial on that? Maybe an interview with a developer or two so they can explain why its still going on and looks like it will be yet another year more.

Anyways no worries. You seem like a decent bloke. I can repress reposting the same old thing. Thanks to SOE and the developers I can go to the SWG forums and pull out any number of new posts from them everyday. They are predictable and consistent to say the least.

Kai


  Vexin

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Joined: 3/01/06
Posts: 297

Bad brownies are better than no brownies at all.

5/25/06 11:45:12 AM#132

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

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  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15536

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 11:51:46 AM#133

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  thepker

Novice Member

Joined: 12/10/04
Posts: 192

Size is not a degree of power

5/25/06 11:55:37 AM#134

Lets open the OACM

(order of anticruelty to mmorpgs) :)

  Zuel41

Novice Member

Joined: 11/25/05
Posts: 43

5/25/06 12:04:42 PM#135

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
Here is an Idea , Create your own site and report on such things .

I don't consider myself a journalist, but I assume that these people do.  I would think that would be their perview.
  kaibigan34

Novice Member

Joined: 1/14/05
Posts: 1508

5/25/06 12:05:23 PM#136

Originally posted by anarchyart

Originally posted by kaibigan34

Originally posted by Lepidus


Sorry but, if its the review I am thinking about, all you did was accept SOE's canned answers and never delved any deeper then that. Not an insult to you. Just my opinion. I feel as if you just jotted down a quick email with some questions then waited for the answers. Never took it further then that. That isnt reporting on something. Its the bare minimum. Just scratching the surface.

Then go start a website or apply for a job at MMORPG.com. I for one would love to read your reviews. The point he made about this issue being burned out and that anyone who is genuninely interested in the game being chased out of town by a pitchfork and torch bearing mob is true.


I would love to let it rest. I would love to just go on. But first, my game is dead. One that I enjoyed. All because of 8 guys filling out a poll. And second I, or no one that feels like I do, can let it rest. The day we let it rest is the day SOE gets away with it. I must keep it in the front. Not let them come along and put all sorts of media spin on it and bury it.

At some point you have to forgive and forget. There are just so many parallels that can be drawn from this story to other ones that make this story so meaningless and petty. Women being raped who have forgiven their attackers, Mothers who have buried there sons and daughters who have forgiven their slayers. They managed to forgive acts of such an unforgivable nature, yet you and your ilk seem unable to just be human and forgive. It's lame and petty.


I am not too worried about that. With SOE's current track record, there is no end to them making mistakes. Thereby giving us new chances to make more posts outside this thread.

Every company makes mistakes, every one. Mcdonalds made the Mcrib, Coca-Cola made new coke, or as Doug Hefernen and I refer to it, syrupy pisswater. I hope a game comes out that takes the place of what SWG once was to you, but put me on record as saying it won't happen. It's the past that you mourn, as do I. I've just come to terms with it.


Kai

Me


Kai

Me

I can understand if someone asks about the game and then is chased out because they sound interested. But if someone asks about the game and people post only their opinions about the game I cant see that as bad. Afterall the guy asked.

And on the forgive and forget tip. If a woman forgives a rapist or a parent forgiving the murderer of their child I am willing to bet the criminal is in jail facing punishment at the time. And the person usually apologized as well. SOE has not been punished nor have they apologized for what they did and are still doing.

Its not about a mistake or a few mistakes. Its about continious mistakes, lies, and ignoring the wants and desires of the community at large. If McDonalds put out the McRib then the HU (Hamburger Upgrade) McRib because of the failed first attempt and then the NSE (New Sandwich Enhancement) McRib it would be a valid point. But they didnt. Those companies made a mistake but they corrected them. SOE on the other hand screwed up and continues to screw up with each publish.

I dont blame anyone for a mistake. But I do expect them to correct them. Something SOE refuses to do. Because there is only two things they can do to correct it and they refuse to even try. In fact the only thing they do is cover them up with lies and media spin. How can I say "Oh well its the past SOE. Your forgiven. Correct it and lets move on." when they refuse to correct it and continue making the same mistakes over and over?

Kai
  Wildcat84

Novice Member

Joined: 1/31/06
Posts: 2315

5/25/06 12:09:48 PM#137

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...


  Leasa

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/05
Posts: 447

To all of you that think your parents are boring...They got boring to raise you !!

5/25/06 12:11:57 PM#138

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?

Do you see MMORPG putting a sticky for complaints in their forums ??  No you dont. Following their logic and yours they should.


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  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15536

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 12:13:55 PM#139

Originally posted by Wildcat84

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?


Join the crusade?  No.

But this purports to be a news site.  The fact that this much rage STILL exists after this much time, so bad that it even has fans of other upcoming MMO's up in arms just by ANY involvement by SOE with their product is a NEWS STORY.

_ALL_ the anger at SOE comes from the CU and NGE debacles with SWG.  No one wants SOE involved with their MMO that they play because they don't want such things happening to THEM AND THEIR communities.

In fact, the only people who play SOE MMO's who are happy are the EQ players.

That again, is a news story.

Indeed, the legacy of SWG is that there is already a built in base of MMO players out there who will automatically  reject the idea of playing a MMO just because of SOE involvement.

Not only that, others who never played SWG, but who know someone who has/does, or who has seen one of the many mainstream news media stories about the unethical treatment of SWG players probably avoid SOE. 

SOE's repuation for shitting on customers has probably hurt their subscription numbers in all theri games.

Again, studying that, interviewing people, seeing if that is true or not (it most assuredly is) is a news story...



Yes but opinions are not news , News is what this site does . If SWG has a change in place they will make an article about it . The same deal goes for darkand light , WHen they report on the game , They mention the disappointment of the fans thus far . But leave it at that . The second they go any further They jump from a news piece to an opinion piece .

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15536

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

5/25/06 12:22:01 PM#140

Originally posted by Leasa

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Vexin

Originally posted by Malickiebloo
I just can't belive how so many of you feel you deserve special treatment . 

We deserve the treatment for which we as customers pay.  Unlike other month-to-month services (like your Cable or water), an MMO is an investment of your time as well as your money.  Players have a vested interest in a game because of this.  SOE blantantly thumbed their nose at this investment and effectively destroyed it.  How can you not expect us to thumb our noses (in whatever form that might take) in return?

You expect this site and its employees to jump on your crusade ? There are plenty of people who hate Blizzard , Ncsoft , CCP and many other developers . Do you see them here yelling for this site to write up an article about them ?

Do you see MMORPG putting a sticky for complaints in their forums ??  No you dont. Following their logic and yours they should.



We are in one :P

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

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