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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 

General Discussion  » Official "We're Angry about SOE" Thread

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8/19/06 4:46:48 PM#121
SOE can buy-out, but they need good quality designers to maintain and improve/ add to.

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8/22/06 10:51:18 PM#122

Originally posted by chlaos
SOE  sucks donkey balls, and they will take over this game and ruin it.  Sorry, thats just  the way it is.  I wish it wasnt so, but it is......

I see it is jump on the HATE SOE bandwagon again. Oh yay.

As someone else said, thank god all this is on one thread, which I will no longer bother to read.


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8/27/06 7:47:35 AM#123

I hate somore than anyone, but saying that microsoft saw something they didnt like, I am really glad because everybody knows microsoft attemps with mmorpgs.

Second for those  people, you all really need to check that SIGIL is not the only company that decided to cancel the agreetment with microsoft. Why? first due creative issue, but the main reason was, as microsoft said, Xbox is the priority... They said that.

I really like what I see in this video, is a little about aventuring.

This game just get better and better.

Dimitrio Darkblade
Founder Leader of Vitae Essentia


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There's no wound that Whiskey couldn't cure.

8/28/06 7:16:55 AM#124

I really have high hopes for this game. I just hope SOE doesn't SWG Vangaurd up..


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8/29/06 11:25:18 PM#125

I said I'd never buy another SOE game so here I am venting...

Thank the Vangaurd developers that they didn't sell out completely. If development had switched to SOE I doubt I'd seriously look at this game. Happy day marketing is about the ONLY thing SOE is good for.

I feel much better now. Thank you vent thread.


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They see me rolling, they hating, patrolling trying to catch me riding dirty.

8/30/06 11:47:17 PM#126
I wont look at this game since I heard Soe is involved soe are losers when it comes to customer satisfaction and video games look at almighty eq2.  Look what they did to everquest they messed it up and everytime they did we had to pay for it i lost tons stuff from their roll back and this stuff i had for 7 years.  I deleted all my toons and said heck with it.  You all should do the same why make them losers rich.  After your everquest career look what it has done for you and tell me it was worth it.

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8/31/06 12:22:37 AM#127

Originally posted by DKid
I wont look at this game since I heard Soe is involved soe are losers when it comes to customer satisfaction and video games look at almighty eq2.  Look what they did to everquest they messed it up and everytime they did we had to pay for it i lost tons stuff from their roll back and this stuff i had for 7 years.  I deleted all my toons and said heck with it.  You all should do the same why make them losers rich.  After your everquest career look what it has done for you and tell me it was worth it.

Yo kid...that's great and all that you had an epiphany about spending 7 years in one game, possibly playing many of them after you no longer enjoyed it.  But do the rest of us a favor, keep it in this thread it's stickied for a reason.  We don't need you to start a new thread about it.  Most of us have heard the same OMG SOE NOOOOOOOO!!! crap for months by every jhonny come lately who somehow managed to just recently discover it.

If you really want to know what the deal is, check the official faq SOE has jack all to do with influencing/developing VG.  If you don't care, kudos to you and enjoy life, but don't be a punk and spread you angst where it isn't wanted nor needed.  Vent here in this thread all you want.  The one on the official forums hit over 130 pages.  Its beat to death in so many ways i can't begin to describe it.

Sigil made a move that was best for their game, end of story.  Anyone who has the balls to tell M$ to piss off when they push for an early release (among other things) for the sake of making the game right the first time has my vote of confidence.  And I'll leave it at that.

Don't get me wrong,  you are absolutely entitled to your own opinion as much as anyone else.  There are A LOT of people who refuse to give one tenth of a cent to SOE ever again for getting dicked by them in SWG alone.  But this is the thread for the whole SOE is terrible thing.  If you had read the first page of this thread you would have seen that you're external one will get deleated and/or locked anyway.


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They see me rolling, they hating, patrolling trying to catch me riding dirty.

8/31/06 12:47:25 AM#128
Well I just started and at first i didnt know what to do on this but i already learned but thank you for telling me that i messed up.

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9/03/06 6:01:07 PM#129
I know that the only way to potentially get back at SoE is to boycott them, but honestly how far will it get you.  The amount of time you can spend enjoying Vanguard in comparison to the few seconds of satisfaction you will get for know SoE is not getting your 15 dollars a month.  I for one am not a fan of SoE but a new sigil game is coming out and im on board.  Decreasing Sony's income by a marginal amount is the least of my worries.  Spite will not bring you as much joy as Vanguard.

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9/03/06 6:07:41 PM#130
It's the piece of mind that comes from not giving your money to a company you think does a poor job, or has wronged you in some way..... It's much more than a few seconds of satisfaction for me.

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9/04/06 6:04:19 AM#131
haha soe.. vanguard looks great but.. for real soe have burn all there bridges


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9/05/06 12:31:23 PM#132
I hear the same thing when i am playing EQ...omg SoE sucks im not buying vanguard.  I for one have never seen better customer service having all of my EQ problems solved quickly after a phonecall or an e-mail.  Peace of mind?  You think that serenity will come to you by not playing Vanguard, which was completly designed by Sigil, and is only being marketed by SoE.  Its not like Sigil was kicked off and SoE decided to highjack their game and ruin it for all of you.  Anyone who decides to boycott this game deserves not being able to play it.  EQ was good in the beginning, why wont vanguard?  Enjoy it, have you heard of the progression servers on EQ, you hate new EQ so much try one of those.  There really isnt a way to get back at SoE besides boycotting, but its not worth it.
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9/09/06 8:39:53 PM#133
i don't think $oe will keep people from playing, well........not at first 

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9/11/06 1:07:49 PM#134

Originally posted by suske
i don't think $oe will keep people from playing, well........not at first 

Not more than a few hundred but there are some of us :).

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9/17/06 5:27:49 AM#135

Originally posted by Amathe

So the question each of you has to answer is, do you think MS are fools? Do you think they are unable to see the problems?

Yep. Just think about every version of Windows so far

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9/19/06 3:12:42 PM#136

I said this somehwere else but Ill say it here too!

I hate f'n Walmart...but I love Oreo's.

I'm not going to stop buying Oreo's just because I have to get them at Walmart!

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9/21/06 10:00:41 AM#137
probably a bit late to post on this, and most, if not everything has been said already, but hey who cares :)

I am split on this. I have been following Vanguard for what seems like millenia and i was quite pleased when the ex EQ team left SOE and founded Sigil. MS as a publisher was not a bad thing at all. Good distribution network and solid marketing and sales experience.

I played EQ and EQ2 and i have sworn off SOE titles. SOE's approach to MMO has changed dramatically in the last few years. Heavy catering to casual gamers, heavy catering to online purchases (Sony Exchange etc.) just are not for me.

Having said that i just want to wait and see what influence SOE will have on Vanguard. If they are merely publishers, as it's currently said, then i don't see a problem. They are not actively involved in the creation and future versions of the game and Sigil will retain creative ownership.

EQ old days (up until Velious) was very good - after velious the Sigil guys left and while EQ remained to be quite good for a while, it slowly took a turn for the worse and EQ2 is pretty much unplayable to me.

If Sigil hold true to their original vision, then it should not matter who the publisher is. If SOE take over the game, as they did with EQ and EQ2, then we are screwed i think.

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9/22/06 7:13:25 PM#138
Okay, so I've managed to make it through to page 5 before I started skipping posts and ultimately just hitting the reply button. Granted this thread is getting old and most of what can be said have been said, but I'm just gonna go ahead and post this for those who can't live without some more views on the whole SOE deal.

First of all. SOE have purchased/aquired publishing rights to Vanguard, meaning they have the rights to publish the game. Publishing a game/book/music or similar product of this magnitude is not something you can do without experience. There are some pretty heavy calculations and risks asociated with this business, and frankly I wouldn't let an art director or game developer handle my  taxes which would be the case if a gamedeveloper were to set off and publish their own game. It's all about knowhow. And in a world where knowledge of your market can mean the success or downfall of your product you have to turn to people with experience. In case of Sigil they turn to SOE for (as far as I see it) 2 apparent reasons.
  1. They have prior experience with SOE having worked for them earlier.
  2. The are 2 major players on the MMORPG market today SOE and Blizzard. Blizzard have their hands full with wow, and might be reluctant to take in an other game that might compete over the same player base.

SOE's reputation might not be what it once was (if ever the reputation was good) but lets face it publicity no matter how bad is still publicity! Yapping on about how bad swg/ec/ec2 became after SOE fooled around or how bad their customer support is will actually lead just  as many players towards SOE in order to see for themselves as the amount of people who left the game.

Okay so the whole SOE vs. MS is getting old. It's a business descision that had to be made, and as far as I read it, Sigil bought back the intellectual rights for Vanguard in order to avoid MS (and later any other publisher) from trying to make the game stir from "the vision".

SOE on support and game updates / patches.
It's been stated quite a few times that SOE have been responsible for releasing unfinished patches or that they fail to communicate with their customers. Give me one example of an MMORPG or any game for that matter where this is not true. It simply can't be done not if you exeed a player base of 10,000 players. You simply can't satisfy everyone, and the higher some people shout the more their oppinion is heard/seen and taken as the general view of things. People in general are very good at complaining but very bad at giving compliments. You don't applaud when things are done right because you expect that to be so, you pay for the service. But do you not wish your employer to give you a pat on the back (or even a bonus) when you've done something right - you're just doing your job why should he?

If you refrain from buying anything from SOE based on their prior actions I can surely understand this. But then you should refrain from buying anything from any major company all together as most of them are based off the same capitalistic ideas. Earn money please the share holders and give a damn about the little man.

I for one am looking forward to the release of Vanguard, granted I had a few second thougths about the game when I heard about the change in publisher, but I also frowned upon first seeing that MS where to publish the game. You can never be truly satisfied unless you do things yourself, but I'm willing to be somewhat satisfied and leave all the financial risks and technical issues in better capable hands.

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9/26/06 8:02:00 AM#139
wow!(no pun intended)

at first glance you would think you were all crying at the state of world politcs and the threat of armageddon!
but NO! its over a computer game!!! 

seriously no trolling intended, you pay per month for the service fair enough, but as soon as the service doesnt appeal stop paying, why cry about it for months on end on forums? are computer games SO important in you lives? if so step back and take an objective look at that, needs looking at doesnt it?

yes SOE makes mistakes, so do every other publishers and developers even the mighty and untouchable blizzard, the entire concept is ripped directly from warhammer long ago with warcraft 1.

EVERY game developer makes mistakes, if you go by your own standards never buy another mmorpg by any company as none of them are perfect.

personally i go by whether i have fun playing a game, if i stop having fun i stop playing, simple as that. i am going to try vanguard out, if i like it i will play it until i dont liek it anymore.
if you put as much energy into having fun in games as you do crying and complaining, you would all have  much more fun.

(disclaimer, yes my grammar and punctuation is terrible dont bother pointing it out i am dyslexic)

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10/02/06 11:24:56 AM#140
It's easy to make a villain out of a company, particularly when they have done so many things wrong.
The thing is, a company is not a human entity.  True, humans work for it and in it but the company ITSELF is not human and cannot be evil or good.
All of SOE's mistakes come down to poor business planning, not a wish to maliciously harm or 'put one over' on their customers.
But I will agree that SOE has some piss-poor business sense in a lot of things.  If you take note of Sigil, how they are so open to their fanbase and how the developers often chat within not only their own forums but fan forums as well, you can see the model of a good business strategy.
You treat the customers as the most important thing, like he is king and calling all of the shots.  You have to be in constant communication with them from the word 'Go'.  And while, in the long run, you might lose some customers, you will still be known for your "company's" honest and forthright nature, their ability to speak the truth and back it up with actions.  And THIS will garner you more loyal fans than any other strategy out there.

SOE's problem is that they don't do any of that.  SOE has unfortunately lost sight of how to please their customer base and has begun looking at everything from a strictly business sense of view.  How do we make more profit?  How do we get new people playing?  They come to be known by their lack of customer support, their disregard of customer opinon and so forth.  They send the message, "It's all about the profit, not the customer themselves."  And this is the true "evil" of SOE.

Yes, your dollars can talk for you.  In the competitive business field, the dollar speaks higher than the voice.  You don't like SOE and their methods?  Don't support them.  Don't buy SOE games.  That is YOUR choice and your incintive.
But don't make individuals into villains for liking SOE.  Just because some individuals choose to say, "SOE has some bad aspects and they have made some bad choices, but I still want to play <game title>," don't make them into so sort of heathen devil worshippers or naive fools.

For my part, if Vanguard is a good game, I will be paying to support Sigil.  If Gods & Heroes is a good game, I will be paying to support Perpetual Entertainment.
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