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Originally posted by Zippy

It really sounded if mmorpg.com reviewer was not a fan of Vanguard and had no intention of writing a positive review.  She just could not find anything to complain about so instead she wrote a generic article with no new information or insights.  

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Our family played the original EQ for 4+yrs.

My main concern is Sigil switching to SoE.

Agree the game promises what I want to hear.  But this is how they have drawn us many, many times in the past to only find out it's different or changed with a mention that mmorpg's evolve or game vision changes.  Original developers move on without totally fixing bugs etc.. 

Too bad our family has blacklisted purchasing games when SoE is involved in any shape or form. *shrug*

Wish Sigil the best.

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Originally posted by Celestian 

What about the quests requiring tradeskills of a specific type, or even race/class? Thats about retarded... people don't have the "right" to access all content (their words)? What the heck is that about?

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Yes, their words.  I am still debating internally whether or not I, personally, like the idea of exclusive content.  I mean, I guess all games sort of have it, but Vanguard seems to be taking it to a much larger degree.

As is becoming my catch phrase from the game: We'll see!

Sounds great.  All except the last sentence.. I hope this is a good product

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Originally posted by Celestian

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Originally posted by Zippy

It really sounded if mmorpg.com reviewer was not a fan of Vanguard and had no intention of writing a positive review.  She just could not find anything to complain about so instead she wrote a generic article with no new information or insights.  

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I dunno what you are talking about! She could have easily talked about how travel is a pain in the ass or the fact that people HATED CRs in EQ1. What about the quests requiring tradeskills of a specific type, or even race/class? Thats about retarded... people don't have the "right" to access all content (their words)? What the heck is that about?

I've seen this game in action now and it's far from amazing. The days of meding/sitting are back and running for miles and miles to try and find what you are looking for as well. Map system they might as well just remove.

The graphics are not impressive and the system is sluggish as hell.

Corpse recoveries, massive death penalties, contested content and long travel time is NOT what made EQ1 fun.

There is plenty of ways s/he could have ripped this game apart.

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Celestian....finally someone that is on the same page I'm on.  I remember when Brad & Co. left Verant/Sony and all the crying about the loss of "The Vision (tm)".  Frankly, EQ1 started getting better after they left.  All the things they're saying will be "fun" is so not my idea of fun, corpse runs being at the top of the list.  And when I disagree with people about that, they say I want a "dumbed down" game that's too easy.  Okay, how is running for your corpse a smarter game with more challenges?  It's not even good roleplay. 

Go ahead, the rest of you can flame on, I'm used to it.  I just don't see how Corpse runs, massive death penalties, and any excuse for excessive down time make it more fun.  Next they'll  be bringing back that big-arse spell book blocking your screen  while you sllooooooowwwly mediate your way to full mana.

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Celestian....finally someone that is on the same page I'm on.  I remember when Brad & Co. left Verant/Sony and all the crying about the loss of "The Vision (tm)".  Frankly, EQ1 started getting better after they left.  All the things they're saying will be "fun" is so not my idea of fun, corpse runs being at the top of the list.  And when I disagree with people about that, they say I want a "dumbed down" game that's too easy.  Okay, how is running for your corpse a smarter game with more challenges?  It's not even good roleplay. 

Go ahead, the rest of you can flame on, I'm used to it.  I just don't see how Corpse runs, massive death penalties, and any excuse for excessive down time make it more fun.  Next they'll  be bringing back that big-arse spell book blocking your screen  while you sllooooooowwwly mediate your way to full mana.

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You are right.. Corpse run are not that fun. espesially when you have to recruit half of another guild to get corpses back

  "Content is king" as the Ranger of Verant/Sigil has stated many times.  Vanguard certainly seems to have a plethora of content & promises possible great amounts of fun.  Let's just hope that besides offering a rewarding challenge that Sigil remembers that games are indeed supposed to be fun for the players & not just time-sinks.  i disagree with the "entitlement" accusation mentioned in the article though.  Doesn't Sigil want Vanguard fun for all players with an ability to progress, casual to professional, or are Sigil & SOE already specifically marketing for a certain player type?  

  Vanguard is already however seemingly following a similar path of Everquest, especially with this recent switch to SOE.  Alone this isn't a reason to abandon a possible great potential game, but it does heed concern.

  i applaud the innovations that Sigil seems to be trying to implement, but as a casual player i hope Sigil doesn't allow SOE persuasion to slant the games interaction with players too much.

  Overall, too early to tell whether Sigil's alliance with SOE again will be positive or negative for Vanguard.  Evidence of Everquest should be considered however & how SOE handles customer service.  i still miss EQ, it was great fun but more because of the players than how SOE operated it.

  Whereas i was certain i was going to purchase & play Vanguard now i'm reserved to await more information since the Sigil & SOE merger.  Sure does seem SOE has many MMOs under it's belt now though.  Goodluck with Sigil & SOE. 

There's a simple solution to corpse runs: don't die.  I think this was the intent of the devs...play smart, or pay a penalty.

Where's the fun in that?  As much as I hate death penalties and corpse runs when I die in a game with a steep penalty, it also makes me feel that much better about myself when I LIVE.

I totally agree I wasn't saying that corpse runs were a bad thing.   It is a way for people to play somewhat conservative and come up with stratigies to kill a certain mob. 

I know everyone can remember... Pull, Mez, Wack, Heal, MEZ MEZ MEZ..

Can you tell I was an Enchanter

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Originally posted by Celestian

The days of meding/sitting are back and running for miles and miles to try and find what you are looking for as well.

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Originally posted by WoodenDummy

Until I play Vanguard I won't be getting that excited about it.

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Corpse runs = game killer, suck, lame

SOE = poor CS, poor server managment, terrible comunication

This game will be great for the 20% of MMO'ers out there and the rest of us will just have to wait for the next WOW.

Well since 20% of MMO'ers equates to about 1.5 million people I am sure Sigil and Sony will have no problem with that.

The games not for every one, they already said that.

I have never played EQ or UO and have limited time for playing so I expect I will be playing Heroes Journey and not Vanguard. But that doesnt mean we should be slaiming the people who will play and enjoy this game.

The more successful games there are in the market the better it is for everyone as developers cna get funding for innovative games. So I hope Vanguard is a big success.

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Originally posted by Zippy

It really sounded if mmorpg.com reviewer was not a fan of Vanguard and had no intention of writing a positive review.  She just could not find anything to complain about so instead she wrote a generic article with no new information or insights.  More or less just going through the motions of writing an article. She could have just as easily written this article by reading a preview from 3-4 months ago.   MMPORG.com always seems to have a bias against non pvp games and more hardcore pve games.  This preview is no exception and a waste of space.  If one is intrested in Vanguard E3 information there are close to 20 much better written and informative previews from other sites. 

If one wants better Vanguard information there are much better links contained in the thread below.

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53263

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And a good portion of the reviews you reference ARE written by Vanguard fanboi's, which I'd take with a dose of salt. Frankly I found the MMORPG preview informative and professionally neutral unlike some of the fan and fansite reference you've supplied there.

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Originally posted by anarchyart

Vanguard, the new forum home of bored trolls! I am SO glad so many people are trolling this game, it will keep the ignorant out of my game world.

WTG Brad! Using SOE to publish is for me one of the best moves in gaming history. Now I don't have to play with people who are totally ignorant! Those people all hate SOE enough to not want to play any game associated with them.

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