I'm happy to see there are changes on the horizon but to continue to try and say that there is PVE content in this game is missleading and quite frankly is lying to potential subscribers. I'll give a couple of examples.

1) You decide to go the route of a peaceful trader and after working your way into a lucrative route and building up your assets you finally have an industrial loaded with high value commodities and are approaching the Jita system(Which is as secure a system in the game as you can get) to deliver you cargo. Little do you know you've been scanned by a suicide squad member and hes contacted his buddies at the jump gate into Jita, that a loaded Industrial ship is coming to them ripe for the picking. You come out of warp and are targeted by several player pirates who then blow your ship to pieces, Concord then blows all of them up for having performed a hostile act but another person not involved in the combat comes through and picks up all the left over items from their ships and yours as well. Now this guy might get flagged for having grabbed the stuff but hes not engaged by Concord since he hasn't perfomed a hostile act. Welcome to PVE in Eve.

2) You decide to mine Ice or Minerals and you get two or three guys to come mining with you and you're all in your Barges mining like Dwarves bringing in loads of ore sitting on an Asteroid, loading an Industrial who takes the Ore to be processed and returns to do it all over again. Needless to say this is boring in the extreme but some players get into (according to them at least) the Zen of mining. Along comes an Apocolypse(Amarr Battleship). Now these Monsters were the premiere mining platform before the Barges came into the game and can still hold thier own mining so you aren't worried and since you're also in a secure system your feeling pretty content. The Apocolypse moves to within a few kilometers of your group and activates eight smart bombs which because they are area effect weapons destroys your entire group, of course Concord once again comes in and blows up the offending Apocolypse. Now you're all looking at each other from the Clone facility wondering what the hell? Now there is little return on such an activity for the Battleship but this guy didn't care, he wasn't out to do it for any profit, he simply wanted to do it because he could.

There are multiple examples of how people can come into "secure" areas where supposed PVE content can be played without having to engage in PvP activities and you're confronted with A/H's who just want to grief their fellow players. I haven't even talked about the groups that tank gate guns in 0.4 systems and below and grief travellers, but they are out there, this being one of the most used methods for "player pirates" to extort Isk from other players. Frankly its an exploit and CCP just doesn't want to address it. You shouldn't be able to tank the armament meant to protect the area around a Jump gate which cost a government possibly trillions of Isk to place there in the first place.

Missions repetative and boring, Trading repetative and boring, Mining repetative and boring in the extreme, NPC hunting is only lucrative in 0.0 space and then your subject to every griefer in the game. I have two characters who have over thirty million skill points and one that has over 20 million, I have cancelled all my accounts and haven't been back since. CCP has failed to deliver on several promised features in the  past and with this last upgrade they once again didn't deliver and that was enough for me to call it quits.

If you find this game compelling and fun, then more power to you I hope you have a good time, but for the player who is a PvE'r at heart this game should be a pass. Its a virtual certainty that you will be confronted with the griefing elements in this game, since CCP is more concerned with keeping subscriptions coming in than with following thorugh on their promises.

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Originally posted by Kurir

I'm happy to see there are changes on the horizon but to continue to try and say that there is PVE content in this game is missleading and quite frankly is lying to potencial subscribers.

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It's true that the PvE play in Eve is quite boring after a few weeks.

If you want an excellent PvP space combat game, this is the one. As for Pve, well.... Trading and mining is limited to "secure" space.  If you try to enter  less secure space, you have 95% chance that the gate jump will be camped by Pks who think they are very good because they can destroy trading/noob ships coming out or in the jump gate.

Add to this the fact that CCP takes no actions against mining bots as long as they use paying account instead of trial account, and you have one of the most boring game when it comes to PvE.

But like I said, if you are a big PvP fan, try it out. It's really good at that.

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Originally posted by Kurir

I'm happy to see there are changes on the horizon but to continue to try and say that there is PVE content in this game is missleading and quite frankly is lying to potencial subscribers. I'll give a couple of examples.

1) You decide to go the route of a peaceful trader and after working your way into a lucrative route and building up your assets you finally have an industrial loaded with high value commodities and are approaching the Jita system(Which is a secure a system in the game as you can get) to deliver you cargo. Little do you know you've been scanned by a suicide squad member and hes contacted his buddies at the jump gate into Jita, that a loaded Industrial ship is coming to them ripe for the picking. You come out of warp and are targeted by several player pirates who then blow your ship to pieces, Concord then blows all of them up for having performed a hostile act but another person not involved in the combat comes through and picks up all the left over items from their ships and yours as well. Now this guy might get flagged for having grabbed the stuff but hes not engaged by Concord since he hasn't perfomed a hostile act. Welcome to PVE in Eve.

2) You decide to mine Ice or Minerals and you get two or three guys to come mining with you and you're all in your Barges mining like Dwarves bringing in loads of ore sitting on an Asteroid, loading an Industrial who takes the Ore to be processed and returns to do it all over again. Needless to say this is boring in the extreme but some players get into (according to them at least) the Zen of mining. Along comes an Apocolypse(Amarr Battleship). Now these Monsters were the premiere mining platform before the Barges come into the game and can still hold thier own mining so you aren't worried and since you're also in a secure system your feeling pretty content. The Apocolypse moves to within a few kilometers of your group and activates eight smart bombs which because they are area effect weapons destroys your entire group, of course Concord once again comes in and blows up the offending Apocolypse. Now you're all looking at each other from the Clone facility wondering what the hell? Now there is little return on such an activity for the Battleship but this guy didn't care, he wasn't out to do it for any profit, he simply wanted to do it because he could.

There are multiple examples of how people can come into "secure" areas where supposed PVE content can be played without having to engage in PvP activities and you're confronted with A/H's who just want to grief their fellow players. I haven't even talked about the groups that tank gate guns in 0.4 systems and below and grief travellers, but they are out there, this being one of the most used methods for "player pirates" to extort Isk from other players. Frankly its an exploit and CCP just doesn't want to address it. You shouldn't be able to tank the armament meant to protect the area around a Jump gate which cost a government possibly trillions of Isk to place there in the first place.

Missions repetative and boring, Trading repetative and boring, Mining repetative and boring in the extreme, NPC hunting is only lucrative in 0.0 space and then your subject to every griefer in the game. I have two characters who have over thirty million skill points and one that has over 20 million, I have cancelled all my accounts and haven't been back since. CCP has failed to deliver on several promised features in the  past and with this last upgrade they once again didn't deiver and that was enough for me to call it quits.

If you find this game compelling and fun, then more power to you I hope you have a good time, but for the player who is a PvE'r at heart this game should be a pass. Its a virtual certainty that you will be confronted with the griefing elements in this game, since CCP is more concerned with keeping subscriptions coming in than with following thorugh on their promises.

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As it has been said in the past by many people.. Secure does not equal safe.. lets take the example of the smart bombing apoc.. now he would take a security hit from the ship kills, and an even bigger hit from the pod kills.. so the chances are that now he is at a -5 security standing since you state multipul ship and pod kills. Now what that means is he can now be shot by anyone if he is in 0.5 and above.. plus he can only travel about in .5 and above in a pod.. as CONCORD will take any other ship away in a rather forceful manner.

The same with the sucide squads.. first of all they will only be able to operate once every 15 mins... plus once they hit -5... no more secure space for them... plus if they are using recyclable alts .. they can and will be banned for exploting.

So if your going to tell "horror" stories please include the cause and effect.. also, its worth pointing out eve is a pvp game.. pretty much everything you do is a for of pvp, as your competing with other players.. to offer the cheapest ships on the market, or filling the best orders. The main thing about eve and many other MMOs is that eve has one of the most harsh death penalties that you can find in any MMO this is what makes pvp one of the most thrilling things to do. And anyone can do it, its not a case of "I'M lvl 60 with my underpants of tighness and my spork of donkey slaying." a three week old player can be just as usful as a 3 year old player and a 3 week old player can kill a 3 year old player..

Eve isn't for everyone, the same as WOW, AO, SWG, UO and so on are not for others.. for some they expect the WOW expirence, and reach max lvl by the end of the week others are seeking something else.. but once you get past the surface and discover whats under neath you will find out why people stick with eve for a very long time.

My post has nothing to do with comparisons to other games and strictly deals with the fact that CCP reports that this game is PvE friendly and it clearly is not, you point out some of the game mechanics that would preclude someone from repeatedly performing this type of activity but they do it reqardless of the supposed penalties you cite. The 14 day trial invites this type of activity and perpetuates it among the long term players who want to preserve their main account. All you have to do is visit www.eve-pirate.com where they boast of it and of the numerous other methods in vogue.

The "Horror" stories as you've labelled them are all factual, and occur with great frequency, I have a couple of years of experience to atest to that, and you can try and discredit my reporting of them but facts they remain. As to reporting the effects of these activities as I inferred they are mitigated by these trial accounts which just serve as a venue for them. So a 14 day trial account gets banned, so what they just open another one.

Yes the person flying the Apocolypse may have only done it that one time himself but increasing your security rating back to good standing just takes a little work. The fact that he was able to do it at all is the point and the fact that now that hes done it others will follow suit when they see a mining operation taking place in "secure" space.

As I stated at the end of my initial post if you like the game have at it, I just take exception to the fact that CCP says that this game has plenty for the PvE player to do, which it clearly does not.

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Originally posted by Kurir
My post has nothing to do with comparisons to other games and strictly deals with the fact that CCP reports that this game is PvE friendly and it clearly is not, you point out some of the game mechanics that would preclude someone from repeatedly performing this type of activity but they do it reqardless of the supposed penalties you cite. The 14 day trial invites this type of activity and perpetuates it among the long term players who want to preserve their main account. All you have to do is visit www.eve-pirate.com where they boast of it and of the numerous other methods in vogue.
The "Horror" stories as you've labelled them are all factual, and occur with great frequency, I have a couple of years of experience to atest to that, and you can try and discredit my reporting of them but facts they remain. As to reporting the effects of these activities as I inferred they are mitigated by these trial accounts which just serve as a venue for them. So a 14 day trial account gets banned, so what they just open another one.
Yes the person flying the Apocolypse may have only done it that one time himself but increasing your security rating back to good standing just takes a little work. The fact that he was able to do it at all is the point and the fact that now that hes done it others will follow suit when they see a mining operation taking place in "secure" space.
As I stated at the end of my initial post if you like the game have at it, I just take exception to the fact that CCP says that this game has plenty for the PvE player to do, which it clearly does not.

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I'm surprised you found this somehow disingenous? The fact that some "rats" exist as players shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with as much XP as you claim. Part of the appeal of Eve is that the "world" is not guaranteed "safe" ANYWHERE / EVER. If you want safety go play hmmmm, ummmmm, hmmmm, sorry I can't think of a game that is "safe" what fun would that be? Even my kids Sims die at times? Maybe a quicksave/reload feature is what your looking for? I suppose you can find that OFFLINE.

You make it sound as if you were being griefed in Empire every month or week? Honestly how often did this occur to you? I have yet to be attacked in secure space, I know it will happen, but that's the thrill of the trader's job.....you can always haul cheap trade goods and no one will attack you after the scan.....

Also I wonder about your 0.0 experience, were you in a corp? but more importantly an alliance? My alliance stakes out 0.0 territory like most alliances do, enter uninvited and good luck to you. Now if I travel outside my neighborhood I accept that risk.

I've said this before but the reason Eve appeals to me is it better than ANY game I've ever seen emulates a virtual world with a thriving economy, political objectives, battles, wars and organization, and at times near anarchy. The player can concentrate on any of those elements but will clearly be "impacted" by the other element to not be impacted would be dishonest. It's a blend of economic priorities in an occasionally hostile environment.

I would love to prove another theory that most of players would quickly embrace. That Eve has the most mature player base of any MMORPG in terms of gaming experience and age. I think the complexity of the universe appeals to people who want to play with other adults and form guilds/gangs/corporations/alliances that are not dependent on a single LvL 60 Uber Soldat.

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Originally posted by ouro

Add to this the fact that CCP takes no actions against mining bots as long as they use paying account instead of trial account,

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Huh?  Come again?

CCP bans every account they find macromining, trial or subscribed.

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Originally posted by Kurir

Also I wonder about your 0.0 experience, were you in a corp? but more importantly an alliance? My alliance stakes out 0.0 territory like most alliances do, enter uninvited and good luck to you. Now if I travel outside my neighborhood I accept that risk.

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I was curious how to contact aliances? I wish to go collect some goods from when i first placed this game upon release is now owned by different aliances. well I wish to contact them and ask permission to retrieve my goods.

How do i do this?

Just check the info on the Alliance. They should have a website you can go to and ask things on their forums. Otherwise, convo a member and ask for contact info for someone with authority who could get the answers you need. Pretty straight forward.

Probably what will happen is that they will get you a weekend pass and/or escort you through their space so you can do your stuff. They could also ask you to escrow your stuff to them so they could fetch it for you, but I don't think that you should trust them enough to follow through. Having them buy it off you through the escrow system is a possibility too, so long as you don't have anything special up there that you really want to have back. Just letting you know of your options.

Remember that the alliance doesn't have to honor their word, but usually they want to in order to maintain their reputation. If you get crossed, don't be afraid to let the community know. Just don't irresponsibly put yourself at risk, or you'll just end up with a lot of "you should have known better" responses.

Also, if you end up going into their space with a pass or what ever, to make sure that they took care to advise their members of the situation, or else you could end up in the middle of misinformation and yourself waking up as a clone.

thanks for the Info

All I have to say is "Bravo!" This is the best interview I have seen in quite a while on any game related site. The prods, devs, and coders of Eve should be applauded for the product they have delivered, as well as their commitment to the player base. javascript:insertemote('::0;
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Nice show.

this game is great!

I played only 1 and a half month for now but I can kill 2 year old players in PvP

We love you CCP.. ehm at least I love u