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Not 5 million, just one ... you.

My statements had nothing to do with what people like or dislike but YOUR view on what makes a MMORPG "good" and how since EVE does not "fit general MMORPG player profile" like WoW and EQ2 it shouldn't have even been considered. That kind of view is so wrong headed that it makes my hair stand on end. It smacks of proletarianism and "towing the corporate line" mentality that brings nothing to the table in the way of original game thinking and design. The current landscape of MMORPGs is littered with the carcesses of games that thought this way. So many thought that all you need to do is put stuff in the ground to dig up and cute monsters to bash to level up, but the lie is evident. WoW is huge because the 13-16 year old fanbois love the grind and maiming and lack of a death penalty when people fight back after being griefed too many times. SWG (WoW in space) is dying because too late they tried to break out of the mold only to alienate their player base (note: arguably SWG had a strong game mechanic and the players liked it but in the end it was the same old grind MMORPG). The rest are much the same, they only follow the heard, they don't try and trail blaze. And that is what has me firmly against your view. To back up coolie cutter thinking and say that a game "cannot be a best game because it fits only a very specific player profile" is so fundamentally wrong that it boggles my mind. Therefore I MUST bring YOU to task on it.

As for having to "drop my work, stop having personal life" to play EVE I call BS on that. See this is where people just don't get EVE. They think "OMG I must stay on 5-10 hours and go go go everywhere and do everything to make it" ... wrong! Let me tell you as a husband, father, and 45-60 hour reg working joe that EVE represents the BEST game for casual players ... EVER. No other game lets you "level up" while NOT EVEN BEING ONLINE in the game. Skills are the key and smart time management will get you right in the mix of things even if you can only play 1-2 hours every few days. No other MMORPG has this, not even close (and yes I've played more than just EVE, I know what it take).

Finally, you mention PvP and how painful it is. I agree, it is painful and a loss can really hurt ... that is where you leverage the MMO part of the game, i.e. join up with others! EVE is NOT a solo play game (unlike most other MMORPGs especially at low levels) but one where team work and having a few friends (or a corp to help you out) will make the difference. That is also the beauty of EVE, where other MMOGs have PvP with little or no death penalty EVE kicks you in the nuts (no offence gals) when you lose. That makes players really LEARN the system and not sleep walk through combat. It makes people either recognizes their limits and move on to other things in the game (either for good or till they improve) or excel at the core of what is EVE. Harsh, yes, but it makes EVE the best PvP game out there.

I'm done here now. I've gone over your mistakes point by point. I'm not trying to convince you or change your mind, I doubt that is possible. But this is for those out here that think that EVE is just another MMORPG, it's far more than that. Sure you can immerse your self, but you can also just float on the surface. It's by far the best MMORPG out there currently. It doesn't matter that it has far fewer playing. That is the very essence of being a trailblazer ... only the brave follow you.

Peace.

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Your 720mm intelligence Howitzer I places an excellent hit on WoW fan boy, inflicting 1310.5 damage.

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Originally posted by rznkain
Eve online the mmog made by faggots for faggots,just goes to show how messed up this site is that this game won anything much less is at top of chart on mmog ratings.Guess they have alot of time to spam votes though as they lvl up even when not in game.Would love to see the ppl who play WoW-Eq2 encourage there forums and player bases to come here and vote up there games thats how Eve got on top was due to Eve's on devs posting and begging there players to come here and inflate there score.

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Sour grapes? I think so.

I play Eve and WoW and have played many more. The winners are the winners, nothing to worry about, congratulate the winners and comiserate with the others.
Maybe next year you'll be old enough to vote.

I personally play CoV, WoW, and EvE currently... Of the 3 I think EvE is by far the best game.  Even though I play WoW more, its mostly due to the fact that Blizzard has made WoW a HUGE timesink.  Currently my guild is farming Nefarion as practice for AQ whenever our server manages to get the gates open.  Its a long boring process that I pretty much do with my head on the desk.  EvE however is exciting for me to play as I am in a small pirate corp and I'm constantly having to look over my shoulder for both my next target or bigger and badder pirates.

I can't say I'm surprised at all the flames against EvE though, the vocal minority of gamers has shown itself to be teenagers and we all know how much teenagers love attention.  Most of the adults just sit back reading shaking their heads.  If your upset that EvE won the popularity contests (and I'm sorry if its a vote yes its a popularity contest, that is why its called Reader's Choice awards) then get more of your buddies from HS to vote for your favorite game.  Take the risk of being labeled a nerd for the game you love!

Btw, I constantly talk about EvE at work, my fellow managers all play it as well.  Its actually a great model for running a business and allows you to do all sorts of funs tuff.

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Eve online the mmog made by faggots for faggots,just goes to show how messed up this site is that this game won anything much less is at top of chart on mmog ratings.Guess they have alot of time to spam votes though as they lvl up even when not in game.Would love to see the ppl who play WoW-Eq2 encourage there forums and player bases to come here and vote up there games thats how Eve got on top was due to Eve's on devs posting and begging there players to come here and inflate there score.

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Way to represent the worst the human race has to offer. You are why WoW fan boys get so much shit from the EvE community. In a year of playing I havent heard anyone in eve ever say anything so stupid or hateful. It took about 3 hours in IF for me to see somthing along those lines go by in in red yell letters.

I play both WoW and EvE. I play EvE when I feel like playing a complex game. I play WoW when I feel like bashing somthing with my 2H sword.

I can see my self playing EvE for another 5 years or more. I can see myself playing WoW for about another 8 months or less.

Why?

EvE is a far more in depth game and a tough challenge. WoW is easy and shallow. Both are fun but only one stays fun after a year or two or three.

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Originally posted by Maverick827
I have never played EvE, so I wont comment on much, but I can say that it has the worst tutorial I have ever seen for a MMO. They should really update it (if they haven't already) to...not suck so much, for the lack of a better phrase. It was so horrible I can't even comment on gameplay aspects because, if they even showed any, I just exited after it got to a certain point of boredom.

WoW definatly deserves the best PvE slot, no doubt about that. If they would just have cross server Battlegrounds they would have a decent PvP shot, but right now the queues just ruin it. Just qurious though, was Shadowbane on the list at all? I would assume it wasn't, but back in it's day (I should probably update my sig) it had the best PvP hands down.

All in all this proves only that people voted for EvE more then anything else. Does that mean it's the best? No. Does it mean it has a loyal fanbase? Yes. Could it be the best? Sure. Is it? Not in my opinion, but then again I didn't vote.

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I have never played EvE, so I wont comment on much, but I can say that it has the worst tutorial I have ever seen for a MMO.....
WoW definatly deserves the best PvE slot, no doubt about that. <-

Erm - LOL?
How can you say things like that if u dont even PLAYED Eve? i bet u didnt played other games aswell and are just a young first-timer with your WoW-Nintendo-Game
BACK ASAP TO THE SCHOOL WITH YOU!
You're a clown and don't know what u're saying.
dismissed

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Originally posted by jimmyman99

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Originally posted by Castrin

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Originally posted by jimmyman99
I agree with most winners except best game. Eve cannot be a best game because it fits only a very specific player profile. I think WoW at best or EQ2 at worse should be best game because they fit general MMORPG player profile, they are fit for the masses. Dont take me wrong, I like Eve, but i cant play it for long, its too grinding for me, takes too long to accomplish anything major, takes to long to get to the juicy part. With WoW and EQ2 you get into action right away. Just another reason not to trust online polls 100%

If you want a more precise poll, just read the subscribtion numbers, the best game will have the most number of active players. 70k is nowhere near the 5 million (according to WoW press release, 5 mil IS the amount of active player accounts, NOT the total amount of game copies sold).

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Instant gratification is NOT a mark of a good MMORPG ... you sir, need professional help.

To even type the above shows a lack of understand of the foundations of MMORPGs on a massive scale. Your ignorance should be used as a printed example of a fanboi gone horribly insane.

MMORPGs are NOT about "fitting a general profile" or how long it takes to get to "the juicy part" (i.e. looking for that flash of instant gratification in your first 2 days of playing) but about team work, player interaction, game depth, and freedom to explore ... to make more of the game and do more in the game (without stooping to exploits) than the game designers can foresee ... to do more than camp a spawn or grind materials for crafting, instead to make it a reason to control an area and make it your home ... to do more than just zerg or war on others, instead to use such methods as well as guerrilla warfare and covert ops to help defend your chosen home ... to have PvP with meaning, with pain, with purpose and to protect those that wish to not partake, supporting both styles in a dynamic universe ... to make PvP mean more than the biggest sword / gun / ship / fist, instead to make it a part of everything in the game. And finally to do all of this in one, non sharded, gaming world which in turn makes a stronger game community because we have no technological limits or need to “make an character on 'xyz' server” to do any of the above with others we meet in the community “outside” of the gaming world.

EVE does it, it breaks the mold that the mega game producers want to use to make cookie cutter games like WoW and EQ ... and the players out there know it and that is why it won.

Peace.

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Before you tell someone to seek out professional help, think about what you are saying. You are saying "I dont care care what 5 million people think, I think Eve is the best so THEY are wrong".. This is ignorance talking. For the most part, Eve reaches its maximum reward at the latter stage, when you have established yourself in the universe, you have credits, good corp, lots of money, raised your skills to pilot best of the best ship, and you have blueprints for that super duper ship that no other corp has. This is all fine but it takes literaly months of real time gameplay, and i mean 5-10 hours per day gameplay to reach that spot. In between, you grind, you try to make your living, you cant realy PvP since you can loose your ship and everything you worked for the last month if you get ganked by 2 15 year olds with bad attitude.
Now just becuase you like Eve, dont assume its the best game. Its the best game for YOU maybe, but not so many others. If it were best game for most people, Eve would have 5 million active subscribers.

And yes, I think whatever game has most active subscribers (not counting free games) is better game. I have a trust in human beings, I think people wouldnt pay to play a game they do not enjoy. Even is fun game, but you need to invest a LOT of real life time to get to the realy fun part. You have to get through a lot of grinding, traveling, raising skills which you cannot speed up, if it says you need 1 month to raise your specific skill, it will take 1 real life month. Im sorry I offended your fanboism, but you need to cool off before posting such posts. And before you brand me with fanboism, I dont play any MMORPG atm - even though WoW is best in a sense "get in - start having fun right away", even that game takes too much time for a working man with tight schedule. if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me.

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about your comment:
if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me...

with 1 look at your signature and the 106 hrs a week alone for civ - i have a good laugh at you. Thats 15 hrs every day dewd.... i play Eve and i dont even can / want reach 50% of your playtime...
To be honest - how shortminded must a person be to write crap like this and having a signature under his post that exactly reveals him as a bag of warm air?
You're just another clown, and if i'd invest so many time like you in a virtual world with my age of almost 30 now... I'd even think that i might be a so called 'Real Life Looser' - get it?
So who you're bullshitting and whats the reason?

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Originally posted by Morgaur
Well I must say that I used to play EvE a while ago. However Im not patient enough for that game hehe. But that doesent stop me from saying that EvE is probably the best mmo I have ever played. I know it sounds weird but thats the mere fact.
If you want in depth, good graphics, total freedom, no grind. Thats EvE
I just wish, O' I wish I could love that game
So now Im stuck with WoW......... with high hopes that someday, somewhere there will be a incredible mmo released by some geniouses.
Until then, I vote for EvE as the best game ever played!

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I know this feeling, I was in the exect same situation a year ago, as I hate grinding and I hate doing all this mindless stuff in most games, hell, WoW even somehow sucseeded in making PvP kind of mindless (battlegrounds) But once I was browsing the WoW roleplay forum someone mentioned a game, a game with free-for-all PvP, player driven markets and towns, no grinding ot leveling, no itemgrinding and serious death penality to make playing serious and exiting... and there was it, Trials of Ascension.

I think its too silent, I mean there are so many people that love this kind of game but never know about it because no one talks enough about it, anyway, here it is:

Site: http://www.shadowpool.com

And if you dont like diffacoulty, dont click the link, and oh, did I mention it got the most mature fanbase Ive ever seen in my opinion.