Congratulations, CCP!

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Originally posted by Fraggle
Perhaps EVE shouldn't even be listed on this site as it's supposed to be for 'Roleplaying' games? I played EVE for about 3 months but never once encountered anyone rp'ing!

I think the reason they've done so well in the awards as that they've actually managed to run an online game without pissing anyone off. People mainly leave out of boredom rather than because of game changes/balancing issues.

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Actually there is quite a bit of RP'ing in EVE. But the key to finding this is finding a RP'ing corp and joining it. Understand that I'm a loooong time RPer. I don't do much of it in EVE but I do know that there is a large amount of it going on. The problem is that people don't reach out past the newb corp they start in so they never find those that are doing that in EVE. They just think that there is nothing more than mining, shooting a few low level rats (pirate ships), traveling and skill training. If you should come back to EVE, try asking in the Rookie Help or Help channel next time and I'm sure someone will steer you in the right direction.

As for not pissing people off, true that. CCP is one of the best customer service companies that I've had the pleasure of dealing with.

Game balance changes and boredom are things that always will make people leave a MMORPG (check out SWG for example). EVE is not for everyone, it's a complex and looong game. The game play can be intense or mind numbingly boring, but it gives the PLAYERS the choice of what they want to do and where they can go. EVE has NO limits to what a player can do, only the player is limited by their own abilities and mind set.

Peace.

 With all the comments I hear here that Eve is not a good PVP game.  I say to you EVE IS ALL ABOUT PVP. 

Every aspect of this game is PVP, from mining for the best roids to beating the other guy to the best trade routes, to Ramsoming some poor guy in a POD, to great 1v1 combat, to large scale 150 ppl fleet battles. 

The is no where you can go in this game and be 100% safe for PvP.  It might not always be combat PvP but it is PvP when you are competing for the best place to mine, trade, build, or hunt.  It is PvP when you are warp jammed and ransomed so you can make the next jump, only to be ransomed again.  It is PvP when you are escorting a fieghter to empire with a 50+ BS fleet.  Geuss what you are escorting to protect them from...PLAYERS!!!

This is why we whine that we were not included in the PVP section, cuz THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT PVP.  Anyone that says otherwise does not understand Eve and that is why they didnt like after 2 days.  This game is not for the mentally handicap.

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Originally posted by alkest

This is why we whine that we were not included in the PVP section, cuz THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT PVP.  Anyone that says otherwise does not understand Eve and that is why they didnt like after 2 days.  This game is not for the mentally handicap

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Actually I'm considered mentally handicapped and play the game hardcore so how about changing it to 'kids' or something defining people who haven't reached mental adulthood?

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Originally posted by Fraggle
Perhaps EVE shouldn't even be listed on this site as it's supposed to be for 'Roleplaying' games? I played EVE for about 3 months but never once encountered anyone rp'ing!

I think the reason they've done so well in the awards as that they've actually managed to run an online game without pissing anyone off. People mainly leave out of boredom rather than because of game changes/balancing issues.

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Perhaps WoW should be taken away too, and SWG, and AO and EQ and .... you get my point..
RP means that you take on another role and you sure as hell do in EvE, on top of that there are quite a bunch of hardcore RPers too.. Never understood those guys but they're there too..

Point is, RP is in all games as long as people want to RP, and, well, I consider MMORPG.com to be for all MMO's who give you the option to RP... You can RP alone too you know.

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Originally posted by Castrin

So where are all the 5 million fanboys from WoW? I'm tired of hearing the fanboy excuse tbh. They can't hack it in a real pvp game (EVE) and they couldn't even be bothered to pvp in an open vote contest. Guess the WoW fanboys don't like their own game much ... that alone speaks VOLUMES!

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WoW folks don't NEED to defend it. It has millions of players. EvE doesn't.

Besides, we're all playing WoW not inflating rankings on mmorp.com =)

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Originally posted by Rabbitgod
EvE has a server cluster that keeps growing inorder to support 23000 and rising players all in one world. Their are as many people on the one server in EvE as their are people living in my town.

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Big deal, there are more people browsing this forum that lived in my home town, your point?

You guys can try and defend the puny 23k players online on "one world" but the fact remains it's a minority of the mmo players. Once you realize that you can stop trying to make everyone else think it's as big as WoW or even EQ2.

I bet WoW has more players online than a LARGE city, not some hick town.

But to try and get this crap back on topic. EvE even in the listing of "reader choice" awards when there are millions more WoW players just proves that these "awards" is bogus or inflated by one set of gamers coming here and voting. I guess thats ok though since it's just "readers choice for mmorpg.com". Guess next time we should just post the URL to vote on the WoW/EQ2 forums and watch the EvE guys weep.

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Originally posted by Celestian

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Originally posted by Castrin

So where are all the 5 million fanboys from WoW? I'm tired of hearing the fanboy excuse tbh. They can't hack it in a real pvp game (EVE) and they couldn't even be bothered to pvp in an open vote contest. Guess the WoW fanboys don't like their own game much ... that alone speaks VOLUMES!

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WoW folks don't NEED to defend it. It has millions of players. EvE doesn't.

Besides, we're all playing WoW not inflating rankings on mmorp.com =)

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with a average age of 16-17.... yes. The most 'youngsters' play this game, because of the design and marketing of it. Your arguments are childish, and u'd be normally not worth the effort to type any reply for you - but well... somehow i couldnt resist :P
Get back to ur 'so ubzah leet zerging' - game, make some lvl grind get ur items and leave us alone :P EvE is not ur world, you lack in age - and in experience.
And regarding on your playtime, you don't have to earn your own money and play at mom's basement :)
U#re so not worth it, you won't know hrhr

[insert flames here]

[quote]Originally posted by Celestian
[b][quote]Originally posted by Rabbitgod

I bet WoW has more players online than a LARGE city, not some hick town.
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yay
always wanted to be with a large city full of players that could be my kids, to some i could be even granpa i bet

Kindergarden

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Originally posted by Celestian

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Originally posted by Rabbitgod
EvE has a server cluster that keeps growing inorder to support 23000 and rising players all in one world. Their are as many people on the one server in EvE as their are people living in my town.

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Big deal, there are more people browsing this forum that lived in my home town, your point?

You guys can try and defend the puny 23k players online on "one world" but the fact remains it's a minority of the mmo players. Once you realize that you can stop trying to make everyone else think it's as big as WoW or even EQ2.

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Quit being dense. There is no other game- not one! Where all the players are in the SAME UNIVERSE. Sure, several million people play WoW. But not in the same game world- they're all on separate servers! In eve, you can meet everyone. Makes for a bigger online community.

As for puny- as has already been mentioned, eve is close to entering the top 500 supercomputers list. Where's wow? Not even close. No supercomputers there. Puny.

I've played wow a bit- it was more fun at the start, but just got boring. I'm still playing eve after 6 months. They both have their good and bad points, but eve is better.

(And I think we've found at least one of the WoW fanbois )

I know i'm late in posting this, but EVE Online is a great game, better by far than any other MMO i've played.

Congratulations CCP, and keep up the good work, your game is the best, also your company :}

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the last 14 pages, but on the Eve Online website they specifically told their players about these awards and asked them to vote.

That would be the most obvious reason why Eve Online claimed the awards. If WoW, EQ2 or L2 officially told their players about the awards and asked them to vote, they probably would have won too. They probably just didn't care as much.

Not to take anything away from Eve, but it has quite the small subscription base compared to other mmorpgs for the simple reason most don't care to play it. Why? Because most don't think its a game worth buying. Thats not stab at Eve, just a point of fact.

Oh well, the awards probably meant he most to Eve Online so props to them.

Flush these results down the crapper...total garbage and rigged!

Plus...weren't the "awards" supposed to be for THIS YEAR!!!

EVE DOESN'T EVEN QUALIFY!   But then neither does WoW, EQ2 or nearly anything in the nominations for that matter...as 2005 SUCKED for MMOs, except for GW...which was excellent, but noone thinks that's a MMORPG.

And as for EVE's graphics...hahahahaha...I could put a solar system poster on my wall track a model spaceship in front of it and take a video, and that'd equal the technical standard of EVE's graphics.  Let's see something with ACTUAL polygons and textures win graphics...but NAAH!  OMG, and Ryzom for STORY???  what the...??  Ryzom is one of the BIGGEST grind-festing non-story MMOs out there...

(Just my opinion...no flames required...congrats to EVE and CCP on the "wins")

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Originally posted by hadz
And as for EVE's graphics...hahahahaha...I could put a solar system poster on my wall track a model spaceship in front of it and take a video, and that'd equal the technical standard of EVE's graphics. Let's see something with ACTUAL polygons and textures win graphics...but NAAH!

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There is the techincal possibilities and then there is what you do with them. There is so much more to graphics than polygon count. I have not played EQ2 so I can not comment on it directly, the screenshots look ok but to me it feels like it's missing the most important aspect to graphics "feeling".

Feeling of imersing you in the world. Eve got that feeling.

very amusing... it's the same old story over and over again...
it's the oldest quarrel ever known....

and i really don't get it...

so there was a vote...
whats the problem with that? nobody's got to believe in the outcome, nobody's got to change his game because of the outcome, noone is forced to do anything, nothing changes... and still some people behave like some world is coming to an end...

do you all believe that there is some sort of "higher truth" about which is the "very best game" out there, and that this truth is some sort of "absolute objective, unchangable fact" ??

has it ever occured to even a single one of you, that there is no "best" game in spe, like there's also no "best" class, no "best" ship, no "best" way to skill and no "best" whatever...
it is a MATTER OF TASTE...
and different people got different tastes...
different people like different games... thats GOOD! where would we end up, if everyone around the whole world would just play one and the same game like everyone else?

the result of the vote says that OUT OF 30.000 PEOPLE THAT DID VOTE ON THIS SITE, XX% VOTED FOR GAME YY.
it surely does NOT say, that this means that there's some higher truth hidden in that percent numbers...

is it possible that some people are taking all of that just a little bit to serious?

why is it so F*****IN important, that the one game YOU like, is the BEST game? (not to mention that there's no sort of "higher truth best stuff thingy whatsoever")
how comes it that everybody feels personally insultet, if someone else does not like the game she/he likes quite a lot? do you really need ALL other people in the world to tell you that you are right, in order that you are able to believe it yourself? or what is all that fuss about?

why does everybody feel the unstoppable urge to prove that his choice of game is the only good one?

there are different tastes, there are different people, there are different games and there are different choices. this doesn't make one taste or one choice better than any other... especially the fact that many, many other people are of the same opinion doesn't prove anything... because something is MAINSTREAM it doesn't neccessarily need to be good...

there is no "absolutely" best game for everyone. depending on play-style, personal preferences, personality traits, experience in gaming and many many other things, theres ONE perfect game for every single one of all of you. there will NEVER EVER be ONE game, that's perfect for EVERYBODY. NEVER, NEVER, EVER...

so what the hell are all of you arguing about?

do you really thing there's one single person reading this thread, who will change his presumptions because of your whine or flame?

all of that does lead to absolutely nothing...

it's just the same old story...
it's nothing more than a new variation on
"my c0ck is bigger than yours"

or is there anything else you desperately need to prove here?

i myself played wow for nearly a year now. got one lvl 60 char, one around lvl 40 somewhere, and one lvl 30, and several others below 20. i played it enough to know, this game doesn't really fit me. i spent a lot of time and money, and i sure got my fun in exchange. but i found out about more and more things i did not like. instances for instance. i don't like em. it's just my very personal opinion. noone needs to share it. and even if i was the only one on the whole world who didn't like em... i wouldn't feel the need to prove everybody else wrong... i don't know what other people like, and i don't mind. if you like instances, if you love WoW, thats good for you! no jealousy, no hatred, no need to quarrel. or maybe a bit of jealousy... you've found your game. i still have to search on! i know what i like, and it's not instances. and it's only my very personal and very subjective opinion. no need everyone gets upset about it.
im going to try out EVE now. not because of the vote results. and surely not because of anything anyone ever postet in this thread...
i can't tell you if EVE is "better" than WoW... ask me again one year from now. then i will be able to tell you which one is better IN MY OPINION. i don't own any sort of higher truth, so no matter to whatever conclusion i will come... this conclusion is only for me alone, and i don't think that the game that's best for me, HAS to be best for someone else too... and if some tells me, that other game is best for him, why should i try to prove him wrong? who am i to know better what HE likes best, than he does himself?

but what am i doing here... i surely wont be able to stop your fight...
but doesn't matter.

just go on embarassing yourselves...

have a nice day

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Originally posted by Herithius
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the last 14 pages, but on the Eve Online website they specifically told their players about these awards and asked them to vote.
That would be the most obvious reason why Eve Online claimed the awards. If WoW, EQ2 or L2 officially told their players about the awards and asked them to vote, they probably would have won too. They probably just didn't care as much.
Not to take anything away from Eve, but it has quite the small subscription base compared to other mmorpgs for the simple reason most don't care to play it. Why? Because most don't think its a game worth buying. Thats not stab at Eve, just a point of fact.
Oh well, the awards probably meant he most to Eve Online so props to them.

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First of all it was not a employee of CCP who posted the link but a player who cares. Then it got stickied on the the forums by a moderator who is a volunteer (not a GM) who also care. Only after the voting was over did Oveur, the senior producer of EVE, post a gratitude post because he both cares about the result and that it's found on this site.

Now what does that indicate of other MMORPG's player bases and designers? They don't care about any thing outside of their pityful little world. They don't even have a shared community proberly due to all those server shards. If they did it should have been no problem for them to gather enough votes on this site.

And you're right that EVE doesn't have the highest number of players, but did you ever consider that it might be on purpose? CCP started out small and are growing with the success. They're trying to make the game they want and doesn't really seem to be in it for the big profit imo.

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Originally posted by Wrayeth

Just because the graphics don'tAlso have the highest poly/particle count doesn't mean they can't be good.  There's a differents between best graphics technology and best graphics.  The first is based on poly count and particle density, and the second is based on the overall effect that the graphics produce.  Yes, Everquest 2 probably deserves best for graphics technology, but when everything comes together, I'd have to say EVE's graphics equal or exceed those of EQ 2.

(If you really want to get into it, I could cite how EQ 2's character graphics tend to follow the old "plastic" cliche - the characters look like they're made of plastic and not flesh and bone, among other things.)

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When it comes to graphics, Art Direction and overall texture/atmosphere has a lot to say. A chaotic, uncomprehensible mix of styles does not make for "Best Graphics".

"Best Graphics" is not a competition in "who has the most polygons", any more than the "best game" is a competition of "who has the most subscribers.

Hi all.

I've been a beta tester for EVE, and i'am a player of WoW, so i feel i can give my 5 pennies to this thread.

In my humble oppinion EVE earn his place in Favorite Company, since without any doubt they invested more in the client than WoW. The network seems more stable and customer and tech support are better.

In the graphic award i can say EVE and WoW are both winners, EVE have a very good art concept regarding the space and tecno "ambience", and WoW delivered us the good and unique art concept of Warcraft, that unlike a post i saw in this thread, isnt the easy way, since the easy way are concepts like Lineage and Everquest, very "3D" assemblance, good graphics but they dont interact with player. They just seem computer landscapes wallpappers.

The best game award to EVE seems to me a deserved prize in the overall of all awards for CCP.

I like to play WoW far better than EVE, because i dont like space games, and the role-play was im my humble oppinion kinda boring  (trips take much time, griding takes much time), in fact i consider more EVE a Strategy/Action  game than a RPG/Action game.

Cheers to all :)

"jpfo" sounds exactly like the average EVE player.

You should come back to EVE "jpfo" - A lot has happened since beta and you sound like a person bound to be popular 

I happen to play WoW and EQ off and on (non-seriously) alongside EVE myself. They all have their good sides. EVE is just... the most special. Different. I care. It's just how it is.

Now if only people would get over the fact that WOW & the other robe-donning tranny games LOST!!

EVE Online is NOT just "a game", it's simply a wonderful virtual reality.

Keep up the outstanding work, CCP !