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lol all the dissing eve , well let me tell you  all something.

Im not suprised Eve won so many categories, If you took the gameplay, playstyles and dynamics  from eve and transposed them into say, a fantasy hack and slash type setting, you know what youd get ?  that right, UO pre trammel, the first and the very best online game ever hands down .

Course Eve is different , but its all there, good guys, bad guys,  safe areas,  free for all outlying areas,  your not forced into a profession, but you become WHATEVER you want to be.

Intersting to note, 95% of ALL the people I have come to know in eve, are exactly like  me, people that have played and excelled at every online game out there for the past 10+ years, from pre-trammel UO, to daoc, eq, AC, shadowbane , swg, ect,  that have goten tired of the whines, the nerfing in the name of big buisness to attract stupid people to the game actions.

 I personally grew tired of the easymode existance in online games, 1-50 lvl daoc in a week,  1-23 lvl in 10 days on WoW  on the trial account. you want  easy , play those games. you want somethingn that always tests you, play eve.

name me 1 game that would let a 1 month old char have a chance to beat a 1 year old char in a fight

 eve

like it, or not, eve is the most challenging game out there atm. the problem with  alot of people that dont like eve , is that they are so darn used to easymode nowdays, ie: everything is laid out in front of you, the way is pointed out, you never have to use the thing on your shoulders. eve is a thinkin persons game, and  I personally laugh at anyone who tries to tell me otherwise.

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Originally posted by remyburke
It's no suprise to me that EVE cleaned up like it did. MMORPG.COM is the official home of EVE fanboys everywhere.
I mean, they need something to do while endlessly AFK auto-jumping through space...

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Suck it up man, EvE won awards cos it got most votes.

The fact that EVE won best graphics just shows it was a popularity contest, nothing more...and since this is the home of the eve fanboi, it was pretty much a forgone result...polygon count, anyone?

It is like saying night driver from the 70's has better graphics than mortal kombat because the little pylons are well designed.

I was surprised by most anticipated tho...DDO is currently getting trashed in these parts.

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Originally posted by grinreaper

The fact that EVE won best graphics just shows it was a popularity contest, nothing more...and since this is the home of the eve fanboi, it was pretty much a forgone result...polygon count, anyone?

It is like saying night driver from the 70's has better graphics than mortal kombat because the little pylons are well designed.

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Um...have you ever actually seen EVE's graphics?  Instead of automatically trashing EVE because it's "older" as far as MMO's go, how about taking a look at the game's graphics?  Here are a few helpful links:

Official trailer (EVENeverFadesXL):  http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/

Player made:

Ch. 1 - Vanguard:  http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=194057

IRON - It's Electric:  http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=220399

Now, if you actually watch those vids instead of slamming the game without actually having anything to back it up, then you'll understand why it won Best Graphics.

Until such a time as you DL those vids and actually see what the game looks like, anything you say is of no value as it has no basis in experience.

Have a nice day.

-Wrayeth

P.S. BTW, everything in those vids comes from fraps of the actual in-game graphics.

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As for the graphics, despite the fact that it's an older game the graphics still blow me away. For proof, check the link that was previously posted to the official game trailer - all of those graphics are from gameplay capture footage. In addition, there are some wicked player-made videos, such as:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=194057

and

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=220399

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If you give EvE-Online a searous try you will see why it pwened this award event.

EvE is truely a player driven game where the player corps can change the face of the map.

As for the 30 jump runs I keep reading about I reply with this. In one year of playing I can count the number of 30+ jump trips I have made on my fingers. They are few and far between, unless you are a trader, and normally their is a really good reason for doing that 30+ jump trip such as war or joinning a new corp.

By the way one of the ways you can tell that EvE has an advance community is in how quickly 200 people can go from doing their own thing to become one fleet ready to defend or attack. Last night it took just under one hour to get 160 people to form up. I have played WoW and getting 160 people togeather in under 60min just doesnt happen. Hell guilds have a hard time getting 40 people togeather with one weeks notice. Tho I guess it helps when the size of the allince is 2539 players strong.

The only way to win a vote like this one (especially where WoW postings are 5x as many as EVE postings) is for the people that are occupied with WoW acknowledge the superiority of EVE in this many fields - even though the game as such may not be for them. It crystallizes that this vote is not about who has the most subscribers, but that the readers of mmorpg.com generally have the ability to reflect on things outside their own little bubble.

I'd like to congratulate CCP on receiving all the awards they got, and especially the one for the best company. CCP is a truly unique developer, publicly embracing the games that inspired EVE - they have on a number of occasions praised both UO and the old Elite - which is particularly satisfying to me.

CCP is all about respect, not only for us - their customers - but what they like and appreciate. A company in such fierce competition praising UO, which is one of its competitors, speaks VOLUMES about the sincerity and enthusiasm for the mmorpg genre.

Bottom line(s):
1. Congratulations EVE on its four win sweep!
2. Congratulations WoW on the PvE victory, truly deserved.
3. Congratulations SoR on best story (personally I voted for AO, but it was a close call).
4. Congratulations DDO for being the most anticipated. I suspect Turbine will foul this one up, but we'll see.

Anyone who read last months issue of PCgamer US, should know why eve is the best mmo out there. And as far as graphics, sure it may not have the highest poly count and use the coolest things, but the game itself, its architecture, the artwork, the explosions and in space flight are all incredibly beautiful. It takes the void of space and turns it into something thats more full of life than anything in wow.

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Originally posted by Roin
I give up wasting time talking to Eve-Online fans. You tell them you find the game boring. They reply with "oh it's because you didn't try hard enough". Should you have to go looking for fun everytime you log on? You tell them you didn't like the game. "oh it's because the game is too complicated for you" Though the person who dislikes the game makes no comment on difficulty. You'll hear the same carbon copy replies from every Eve-Online fan when he defends his/her game. Just scroll up and read some of the replies.

No one is disputing whether or not 'YOU' like the game. Yet you all seem to have a hard time accepting that most of 'US' don't like it. So i'm done with this thread. We'll just agree to disagree. This is my last comment on this thread.

Side Note: I apologize to the MMORPG.com staff. Seems comments by me and a few others. Have de-railed this topic. Which is supposed to be about the Readers Choice Awards. Just like to say thanks again for your continued contributions to the MMORPG Community as a whole. Best free MMORPG related site on the net hands down.

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We don't mind people not liking it. (Well, I don't at any rate.) It's when people go 'whine whine well it suxxor anyways1!1' and start slagging the players (ie, us) off as well that we get annoyed. So Eve isn't your thing. So what? Just keep nice about it and most of us won't care. But before you start with the 'nerd' stuff it might be a good idea to consider how much time you spend on mmo's =/

I have seen the vids(and frankly, not the best choices you could have made, IMHO) and I stand by my comment: very pretty pylons moving aginst a black background...did you notice they dont get very close in any of those? Because of the way the modles are designed, they look like crap up close...low particle explosions with a bit of flare dont do much for me either...if you are easily taken in by such tricks, then by all means, enjoy...just dont try to tell me these are the 'best graphics' in gameing...eq2, coh, heck, even Planetside is better...

[quote][i]Originally posted by Wrayeth[/b]

Originally posted by grinreaper
The fact that EVE won best graphics just shows it was a popularity contest, nothing more...and since this is the home of the eve fanboi, it was pretty much a forgone result...polygon count, anyone?
It is like saying night driver from the 70's has better graphics than mortal kombat because the little pylons are well designed.

Um...have you ever actually seen EVE's graphics? Instead of automatically trashing EVE because it's "older" as far as MMO's go, how about taking a look at the game's graphics? Here are a few helpful links:Official trailer (EVENeverFadesXL): http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/
Player made:
Ch. 1 - Vanguard: [url=http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=194057]
IRON - It's Electric: [url=http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=220399]
Now, if you actually watch those vids instead of slamming the game without actually having anything to back it up, then you'll understand why it won Best Graphics.
Until such a time as you DL those vids and actually see what the game looks like, anything you say is of no value as it has no basis in experience.
Have a nice day.

-Wrayeth
P.S. BTW, everything in those vids comes from fraps of the actual in-game graphics.[/b][/quote]